Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304759#Comment_118304759

Oh there could be a whole other thread on this don't get me started. I find these woke folks are best avoided nothing but misery. Those virtue signallers with I got vacc'd to save everyone when you know they only got the vaccine so they could head out to the pub or restaurant but yeah if you asked them they will tell you how much of a hero they are to protect granny.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118303124#Comment_118303124

I wonder is it starting to sink into Michael Martins slowpoke brain that the advisory group he relies upon have been wrong at every single stage of this pandemic.

He has been basing his decisions and playing god with peoples lives, and its all based on advice and models from people who do not know what they are doing.

I hope that keeps him awake at night, because it should. The shame is that even if he realises it now most of the damage has already been done.

Richard Hillman

On the NPHET frontI agree with a post above. If they are going to keep it, it's needs freshening up.

We could go out and hire the best virological experts in the world. The best human behaviouralists in the world. Thank the rest for their time and leave it up to the best in the business. Then we would know there are no hidden agendas. They have no long term skin in the game. They are not bound to the HSE or civil service politics. They can give true independent advice.

We all know from Pre-Covid that Tony Holohan has a distain for our drinking culture. There is an internal bias there. He cannot be trusted to give true independent, non agenda driven advice.

I think a lot of people get the impression that Covid passes for Gyms is not public health measure. It's directed at young fit people who feel they don't need the vaccine. They want to boost those vaccine stats. It is agenda driven. Particularly towards a lot of gym owners/personal trainers who have bee critical of restrictions and questioning why young and fit people would need the vaccine. This stuff appeared a lot in the Kinzen Reports.

Public trust is everything in something like this. The likes of Romania and Bulgaria cannot get people vaccinated because there is no public trust in government.

If there is another pandemic in 10-20 years time. Will there be the same level of trust that was given originally back in March 2020? Not a chance. And there won't be 94% take up of a vaccine when it was advertised to give you back your freedom.

Trust is eroding.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304797#Comment_118304797

Public health measures are part of the "woke" agenda now? Blo*dy hell, I thought they were in the "keep people from dying" agenda. Do you need a safe space to post that from? Even trumpy got vaccinated, is he woke too? How far down the rabbit hole have some people gone in denying the reality around them.

SARS-COV2 is not part of any woke agenda or virtue signaling or whatever. If you're posting misinformation and being labeled a conspiracy theorist by multiple people because of it, it's not everybody else that's wrong.

hollypink

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304518#Comment_118304518

Swimming pools are excluded from the covid cert requirement for some reason. Or were they not checking gym users either? My gym didn't check this week which didn't bother me (although I hope they don't get into trouble over it.)

Since Tuesday 7 December, a COVID pass (vaccine or recovery certificate) is also required for:

gyms and leisure centres (excluding access to swimming pools or standalone swimming pool facilities)

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304981#Comment_118304981

Ah get way outta that. It is part of it, those clowns going around posting pictures of them with their 'I did my bit and got vaccinated' badges as if they were some sort of hero. Nothing but virtue signalling twats. Look we all know where you stand and that's fine but don't come on here insulting everyone who disagrees with you. Lots of us can see the restrictions and covid for what they are and because you don't like it you think you have some higher moral authority to lecture us. Get down off your high horse there tonto.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305012#Comment_118305012

Not sure on the swimming pool but it wouldn't make sense that you show a pass into the gym but not the pool then again with what we have seen with these restrictions it wouldn't surprise me. As for gym goers I didn't see them being asked either for the covid pass. No one on the reception at times either and definitely no one at the door checking.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305017#Comment_118305017

Lots of us can see the restrictions and covid for what they are

What are they?

You're saying they're part of the woke agenda and people are virtue signaling during a once in a century pandemic, you really need to examine where you're getting your information from.

The vaccines received massive amounts of money from the most non-liberal political parties that have existed for a long while (GOP & Conservatives) you can't call any of it woke as much as you might try, you're the one trying to stay in the safe space here. I'm happy to take and respond to criticism but I'll always try and back it up with evidence and data rather than "feelings" as seems to be happening more and more from the COVID outrage posters.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305030#Comment_118305030

Unfortunate timing really. Not only do failures stay in power they usually get a promotion.

completedit

I don't think you can judge Covid restrictions in a vacuum. I think the reaction is in keeping with our times where the perception is that the world is a scary place and Governments need to do everything to protect the individual because individuals left to their own devices are selfish and reckless and will do whatever is in their self-interest.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305047#Comment_118305047

The restrictions are not there for public health as I have said they are there to protect the politicians and public service management including HSE management for the mismanagement of the health service. That's all these restrictions are for. I have said it before all restrictions should have been lifted as some as all the over 70's and most vulnerable were vaccinated, I also think the covid cert and coercion used to make people get vaccinated should not have been done, it should have been the vaccine is there if you want it. People would have made up their own minds then. Yes the government can advise that it would be best to get it but that is your decision.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305095#Comment_118305095

The restrictions are not there for public health as I have said they are there to protect the politicians and public service management including HSE management for the mismanagement of the health service.

At a worldwide level across multiple countries all to save the HSE? I guess Tony does have a lot of power.

At least everyone knows where you're posting from 😉 (enjoy the safe space).

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305119#Comment_118305119

The last bastion of the beaten look what they are doing over there. I don't care what they do elsewhere, I care what they do here. So you are so gung ho on restrictions and vaccinating anyone or anything from the cradle to grave, convince me of the reasons for the covid certs? Why are they there? If 92% of the population is vaccinated then why do we need the restrictions?

completedit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305119#Comment_118305119

Well said.

Ultimately though we will eventually settle on an arbitrary death number we can deal with and the healthcare system will still be stretched but we'll just accept it as being the new normal(or else we'll just live in this quagmire for years to come)

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305142#Comment_118305142

Because the unvaccinated are still taking up 50% of the COVID beds...

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305152#Comment_118305152

In a health service that have made no changes to capacity in the 2 years or managing this. That just proves my point the restrictions are there to protect to woefully inept healthservice and that is not the fault of those on the frontlines but the fault of government and mismanagement

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305176#Comment_118305176

And as said a few posts up are the Government's throughout the world trying to protect the HSE with their restrictions?

corcaigh07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305152#Comment_118305152

Genuinely interested, do you have a source for that stat?

Beasty

It's been repeated time after time:

Remain civil at all times

Drop the Conspiracy Theory nonsense

Drop the blatant abuse of public officials

Drop the merest hint of a reference to the Cervical Cancer issue

If any of you are really struggling to understand these instructions, drop me a PM and I will see if I can make it any simpler for you

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305282#Comment_118305282

One of the reports is here, people better than me on here have gone through the numbers to figure out the %'s:

Vaccination status of confirmed COVID-19 cases in Ireland Week 46.pdf (hpsc.ie)

(basically doing a diff between reports to get up to date figures). Other than that, it's usually tweets from officials, other countries see similar data and present it better (basically the lower vaccinated % the more beds the unvaccinated take up). Austria and Netherlands are 2 that come to mind.

And this is those who can be vaccinated but didn't, the people who can't be vaccinated would be a rounding difference within 1% in any of the figures.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118302318#Comment_118302318

You raise a very interesting point.

The age issue you mention was correct up until the middle of 2020.

However,and perhaps surprisingly,once the fact that Contracting Covid-19 was NOT an automatic death sentence for MOST people became known,the middle-aged began to steadily make alternative socialising arrangements.

Nothing on a massive scale,but rather a slow,steady change in their determination to remain Human,as opposed to the safer and Expert recommended isolation procedures,which appear to be a cornerstone of the Covid "fight" in these parts.

So,I would suggest that the middle-aged are engaging in somewhat more House "Gatherings" as opposed to Parties,but ye never know,given enough alcohol,one can swiftly morph into the other !

That being said,it is obvious how a significant swathe of our Society now appear to be reluctant to contemplate a return to "Normality" and instead become more comfortable with each new restriction imposed upon them.

Makes me wonder how it's playing out in North Korea ?

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305831#Comment_118305831

I guess we might have to agree on house party definition. I used to go to them all the time. They were brilliant. Crazy nights. What my social circles do now are very different ha. Anecdotal obviously.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305862#Comment_118305862

Have to say house parties never appealed to me. Would dread it when someone would say come back to ours for a few drinks at the end of a night. That was pre covid defo wouldn't go to one now.🤣

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304156#Comment_118304156

I suggest we have been "post pandemic" since mid 2020.

However even after Covid-19 had been laid bare before us,and it's methodology better understood,our requirement for a variety of "Emergency Legislation" based restrictions apparently Increased ?

The World has had a refresher course in Virus conduct,and in the protective measures against them,which when all is said and done,has been the same for almost 2 centuries.

What IS different,this time round,is the immediacy and incidious nature of the Worl Wide Web and its many Social Media outlets,all providing new found proof of how to control and direct entire Social Groupings to a common end.

The "Public Health Emergency" is long past....the other "Emergencies" remain,unaddressed and largely unnoticed until it becomes permitted to direct the public gaze towards them.....😨

PicardWithHair

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/ireland-seems-to-have-no-exit-strategy-for-our-vaccine-pass-system-1.4751413

I find this very positive that the IT are reporting this, a year ago they would have considered this kind of talk far right conspiracy ..

Nuts102

What I find amazing is we have 94% of the eligible population who took the vacine.

You would imagine a few % of the 6 % is took up from people who are advised against taking it by doctors and pregnant woman.

Then you have foriegners and from my personal experience of who I know didnt take the vaccine, paranoid or not intelligent people who I would say are very unlikely to be on boards.

Yet a handful of posters spend the majority of their posts calling anyone here anti vaxers for any time they post anything negative about the vaccine.

Boards is a strange place at times.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306783#Comment_118306783

Incredible, even journalists are seeing sense

Mr. Karate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306783#Comment_118306783

This time next year Varadkar will be back in the driver's seat. That's Martin's "exit strategy". Keep kicking the can down the road until its Varadkar's problem again.

PicardWithHair

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306901#Comment_118306901

And slowly slowly slowly if they see sense so will the public, and that and only then is when this ends.....

on the other hand ...

... I was talking recently to my Dad's partner and she really believes we will all be safe and back to "normal" once 100% of the pop is vaccinated

PicardWithHair

I saw a BBC headline yesterday ...

"3rd Booster shot crucial in defeating Omicron variant" ...

Good timing isn't it !!!!! 🙄

Next Winter 2022 :

"4th Booster shot crucial in defeating Zeta variant" ...

2023 ...

"5th Booster shot crucial in defeating Omega variant" ...

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20xx

"zth Booster shot crucial in defeating ZetaZetaOmegaPhi variant" ..."