Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

ingo1984

charlie14 wrote: »

Do you not think that perhaps all the media speculation a few weeks back when India`s number were low that they had reached the level of herd immunity may have added to that ?
Even when many of their own experts in the field were warning that there was no real evidence to support the speculation.


In fact is there not a parallel of the same woolly headed India immunity thinking from some here.
Pointing at our present low numbers and the U.K. as reasons we should open up immediately to the same level as the U.K. while ignoring what brought those numbers down and that the U.K. is only at the stage it is at because of their level of vaccinations

Oh it certainly did. I think the main cause was their leaders and politicians openly stating on both an Indian level and global level of the great job they did and how there were now out of the woods. This was a doubled edged sword as 1) it caused a sharp decrease in the numbers seeking vaccines as they figured I don't need a vaccine as the crisis is now over and 2) the crisis is now over so no need for distancing, restrictions, masks etc.

Good article on the BBC yesterday gives a good insight as to what happened.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56771766

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Oh great, expect the "2km from home" limit to be reinstated

MHQ for ALL countries.

Schools to resume remote learning

Building sites to close.


Travel/Hospitality to restart in 2023....

Wanna put a bet on that?

Tenzor07

hynesie08 wrote: »

Wanna put a bet on that?

Well, I see Robert Watt has been appointed as the top mandarin for the Dept. of Health, maybe he will reign in old Holohan and try keep a lid on his public appearances...

PTH2009

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Oh great, expect the "2km from home" limit to be reinstated

MHQ for ALL countries.

Schools to resume remote learning

Building sites to close.


Travel/Hospitality to restart in 2023....

NPHET told to rip up there recommendations and start a new one

With this new Indian Variant we can't be going under level 4+

Sexual Chocolate

normanoffside wrote: »

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

We're ****ed now

showpony1

Deleted User wrote: »

Talking about it in a level headed manner, such as evidenced by NPHET

when have NPHET ever said anything isn't a "concern" let alone an Indian Variant.

showpony1

showpony1 wrote: »

when have NPHET ever said anything isn't a "concern" let alone an Indian Variant.

I sometimes wonder do most people read anything beyond the first line of a post

Deputy chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn said the way the Indian variant has been described in various online reports would lead you to think the “world was coming to an end”, but the speculation was inflated and not related to the real-world experience so far.

Dr Cillian De Gascun of the National Virus Reference Laboratory said there was no real world evidence yet that this particular variant was more infectious or more deadly.

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PTH2009 wrote: »

NPHET told to rip up there recommendations and start a new one

With this new Indian Variant we can't be going under level 4+

Gov sources report we can't lose sight and must take it extra slow and be cautious as we monitor Indian variant in coming months #saveindians #notthenativeones

charlie14

The Big Easy wrote: »

I'll tell you what's wooly. Anything comparing what's happening in India to here. In terms of age demographics, poverty rates, population density, health system, testing regime, climate, culture and so forth and so forth.

You may as well be discussing different planets.

But no, use India as a reason to stay in lockdown why don't you?!

People can choose self-imposed lockdown, that's a perfectly valid choice if it's something that doesn't appall you, or maybe even you feel more comfortable in it, you don't need the rest of society there with you to justify that choice however.

The points I was making appears to have sailed over your head.
India imo is at the level it is now with new cases and deaths due to, at least partially, a belief that it had reached herd immunity.
Some here are pointing to our low numbers and comparing them to the U.K. as a reason we should now be opening up to the same level, while ignoring that the reason the U.K. is now able to do is not because of their low numbers. It is because of their level of vaccinations. A level we are not yet at.

To believe we can do the same as the U.K. at this point, is the same woolly headed thinking as India thinking they could drop/ignore measure to prevent the spread of the virus due to herd immunity.

showpony1

normanoffside wrote: »

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

I could not believe he came back last time with his personal circumstances which were obviously only getting worse.

We must ensure someone with a clear head is at the helm here and there is no sudden Level 5 Lockdown made for summer.

No "Clouded" judgement about zero deaths being achievable with no cases etc.

Ireland being what it is - Tony will be back on RTE and all of the above will happen.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

The hidden agenda with the media is to get as many people as possible to click their links, buy their newspapers of otherwise support their revenue stream in whatever way possible. If it bleeds it leads. And in spite of what the thread believe, most people understand this and expect the resolution of the majority of issues through Q2. This is the only place I hear "but the variants". The real world not inhabited by rabid naysayers who seek out something to be offended by at every opportunity.

The media in Ireland have been regularly advising listeners and readers to follow public health guidelines.

Can that be ignored too?

Or is it open to interpretation what part of what the media communicates is true/false?

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The media in Ireland have been regularly advising listeners and readers to follow public health guidelines.

Can that be ignored too?

Or is it open to interpretation what part of what the media communicates is true/false?

Sounds like you are a believer in throwing out the baby along with the bathwater Fintan.:rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey

charlie14 wrote: »

Sounds like you are a believer in throwing out the baby along with the bathwater Fintan.:rolleyes:

No that’s the current approach which I’m against Charlie

A myopic approach to public health and economy

showpony1

hynesie08 wrote: »

Wanna put a bet on that?

Betting will also be banned by Tony

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No that’s the current approach which I’m against Charlie

A myopic approach to public health and economy

Fair enough Fintan, but you should perhaps be mindfull that myopia is nearsightedness. It gives a deceptive vision of distant objects.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The media in Ireland have been regularly advising listeners and readers to follow public health guidelines.

Can that be ignored too?

Or is it open to interpretation what part of what the media communicates is true/false?

Oh god, how devious of the media to advise people to follow public health advice.


Again - its clearly flagged what is public health advice and what is a report and what is opinion. Most people can see the difference. I do sometimes wonder however - far more people than I had thought possible dont actually read the data sources they use. What I often thought was misrepresentation is actually laziness combined with confirmation bias

KrustyUCC

normanoffside wrote: »

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

Just what we need especially a week before the decisions on easing restrictions are due next week

The ultra conservation approach will now be extra ultra Conservative

Hospitality sector will be waiting even longer to open with Tony back

PTH2009

Dr Tony's views should be kept private and given to the government behind closed doors. No tweets undermining the government and hospitality is not safe etc

niallo27

I really do have a deep dislike for Tony H, it's the Tony show and he loves it.

Allinall

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony's views should be kept private and given to the government behind closed doors. No tweets undermining the government and hospitality is not safe etc

You will then have a whole bunch of people whinging about lack of transparency.

What's wrong with knowing his views?

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony's views should be kept private and given to the government behind closed doors. No tweets undermining the government and hospitality is not safe etc

So, in your opinion, should a task force set up by the government act in the shadows with no transparency? Or should a private citizen not be allowed have an opinion?

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony's views should be kept private and given to the government behind closed doors. No tweets undermining the government and hospitality is not safe etc

Just like trump wanted with Fauci eh!

PTH2009

Meant to say Dr Tony's/NPHETs views and recommendations on stuff like Hospitality should be kept private and only discussed with the Government

Tenzor07

hynesie08 wrote: »

So, in your opinion, should a task force set up by the government act in the shadows with no transparency? Or should a private citizen not be allowed have an opinion?

Surely the idea of an "Expert advisory" Committee is just that... to advise Government, not to be all over RTE and Twitter telling us all what's what?

Don't we pay Donnelly and the rest of them enough to let us know what's happening?

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Surely the idea of an "Expert advisory" Committee is just that... to advise Government, not to be all over RTE and Twitter telling us all what's what?

Don't we pay Donnelly and the rest of them enough to let us know what's happening?

I agree, the government pushing nphet out as the voice of restrictions was a masterclass in passing the buck, and members of nphet should have been more savvy than to get sucked into it, but all expert advisors/committees will publish their findings, it's the only way to ensure transparency.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Meant to say Dr Tony's/NPHETs views and recommendations on stuff like Hospitality should be kept private and only discussed with the Government

So how do we find out whether or not the government are acting in good faith on that advice? Blind trust?

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

So how do we find out whether or not the government are acting in good faith on that advice? Blind trust?

Sure like last Autumn we would see of members tweeting this and that because the government didn't take there advice

That certain member got a free pass for that

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sure like last Autumn we would see of members tweeting this and that because the government didn't take there advice

That certain member got a free pass for that

So again, you're saying private citizens shouldn't be allowed express an opinion.

72sheep

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, I see Robert Watt has been appointed as the top mandarin for the Dept. of Health, maybe he will reign in old Holohan and try keep a lid on his public appearances...

Robert defiantly declaring in today's IT: "An open TLAC (Top Level Appointments Committee) competition was held and I am pleased to be asked to take on this role on a permanent basis following the Government meeting today". Now guess which committee good ole Robert was a member of until recently - https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/baa380-top-level-appointments-committee-tlac/ Great little country...

[Of course, no mention of our public service should fail to include a link to An Bord Pleanála, https://www.pleanala.ie/en-IE/Meet-the-Board. It is simply unbelievable what ABP gets up to/away with.]

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hynesie08 wrote: »

So again, you're saying private citizens shouldn't be allowed express an opinion.

yes exactly.thank you