Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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facehugger99 wrote: »

but these are the demographic we've been told to put our lives on hold and destroy the economy for and they are going to jet off to the sun next month

just to correct you its goverment and media lunatics prob healthy on welfare or doing f all that caused the hysteria, old people usually dont fear death and know once they are running out of time, its healthy lunatics that screamed the most that caused most of this mess, so dont get fooled by goverment PR adds.


rest is spot on.

ypres5

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Hard to begrudge them heading off but will that be something that will be sanctioned anytime in May? The plus is they won’t be required to MHQ on the way back, but has there been talk of not issuing fines for non-essential travel, or not needing a negative PCR for coming back in for those vaccinated?

They’ll most likely still be in breach of restrictions if travelling for non-essential reasons in May. Maybe when a certain age group realise they don’t automatically get their freedoms back once vaccinated there may be some sedate protesting?

I do wonder how certain demographics will react when they realize restrictions aren't going to magically disappear the moment they start being an inconvenience for them

Akesh

Lumen wrote: »

Recently/peak-end bias suggests that most people will have a positive view of this once they've been vaccinated and things have opened back up.

This is why Boris Johnson is doing so well in the polls despite over 100k preventable deaths in the UK.

For this reason, the political pressure will be focused on not screwing up near the end.

While that is true and I can accept the logic, this won't apply to Covid. The UK are different as there is a feeling their vaccination programme was as a result of Brexit so it creates a different dynamic.

In Ireland, the end won't be when things open back-up. People are quick to forget that by the end of this year the government will owe €47.7k per individual. This is unacceptable debt burdening for future generations. Then you have the hospitality sector which will be completely decimated by the restrictions. People will have difficulty repaying mortgages and unemployment will rise.

I suspect the only people thanking the government and NPHET will be those who benefited from the restrictions, while the vast majority will be very angry at how his was handled with the inevitable tax increases to pay for the extraordinary debt burden we have incurred due to the mismanagement of this pandemic.

It'll be interesting to see the response as over 70's begin to travel abroad while picking up none of the expense for this pandemic. Maybe I'm wrong but I certainly won't be forgetting the nonsense we have had to endure since March 2020.

Personally, I think people who are expecting business as usual once this ends are deluding themselves. Although, I would have said the same 13 years ago and nothing material changed, so maybe you're correct.

rob316

I don't see foreign travel been reinstated this summer at all, not because of the virus but for economic reasons. The hospitality sector will need a boost and what better way than to keep us all in rip off republic. I'll sit out my back for the summer than pay 2 grand for a house down in Kerry for a week.

PTH2009

Akesh wrote: »

While that is true and I can accept the logic, this won't apply to Covid. The UK are different as there is a feeling their vaccination programme was as a result of Brexit so it creates a different dynamic.

In Ireland, the end won't be when things open back-up. People are quick to forget that by the end of this year the government will owe €47.7k per individual. This is unacceptable debt burdening for future generations. Then you have the hospitality sector which will be completely decimated by the restrictions. People will have difficulty repaying mortgages and unemployment will rise.

I suspect the only people thanking the government and NPHET will be those who benefited from the restrictions, while the vast majority will be very angry at how his was handled with the inevitable tax increases to pay for the extraordinary debt burden we have incurred due to the mismanagement of this pandemic.

It'll be interesting to see the response as over 70's begin to travel abroad while picking up none of the expense for this pandemic. Maybe I'm wrong but I certainly won't be forgetting the nonsense we have had to endure since March 2020.

Personally, I think people who are expecting business as usual once this ends are deluding themselves. Although, I would have said the same 13 years ago and nothing material changed, so maybe you're correct.

I'm spoiling my vote in the next Gen Election

Sick of it all,

Graham

facehugger99 wrote: »

They cheerfully told me they are looking to get away to Spain in May after the second shot - €200 return flights into Barcelona apparently.

When were the changes to international travel restrictions announced?

JRant

gozunda wrote: »

To be clearer. We have 'experts' in this thread lauding some experts and deriding others simply because they don't agree with their own personal bias.

As for NPHET

Currently NPHET is composed of:



Member list here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

The role of NPHET as detailed is to advise the government on strategy to help manage the rate of infection etc of Covid 19. Afaik they don't get to implement policy.

Everyone has a bias as to what expert they agree with or not, yourself and myself included.

I know what NPHETS role is, I just don't agree they were the team to drive the response to what was a national emergency. They have a far to narrow remit.

NPHET may not implement policy but they very much drive drive policy decisions. That much is super clear.

normanoffside

Lumen wrote: »

Recently/peak-end bias suggests that most people will have a positive view of this once they've been vaccinated and things have opened back up.

This is why Boris Johnson is doing so well in the polls despite over 100k preventable deaths in the UK.

For this reason, the political pressure will be focused on not screwing up near the end.

How were all those deaths preventable?

TomSweeney

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Your previous post literally went into conspiracy theorising. I'd hazard a guess that when you say you want "honest reporting", you mean "reports" that say things you like - ie. propaganda.

Very Trumpian.

Utter drivel, one to add to the ignore list.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

I don't see foreign travel been reinstated this summer at all, not because of the virus but for economic reasons. The hospitality sector will need a boost and what better way than to keep us all in rip off republic. I'll sit out my back for the summer than pay 2 grand for a house down in Kerry for a week.

The two faces of the end restrictions now brigade

"The economy is destroyed / dont expect me to anything to help to economy."

Fits in with the general "Why should I suffer inconvenience to lower risk those more vulnerable" attitude.

Thankfully the extra 500k Pfizer vaccines and the revised vaccination interval will make this a moot point soon

Lumen

normanoffside wrote: »

How were all those deaths preventable?

The worldwide COVID death toll is around 380 deaths per million.

The UK death toll is around 1,900 deaths per million.

So just by performing averagely the UK could have avoided 80% of the deaths.

There are only 11 countries in the world which did worse.

the kelt

rob316 wrote: »

I don't see foreign travel been reinstated this summer at all, not because of the virus but for economic reasons. The hospitality sector will need a boost and what better way than to keep us all in rip off republic. I'll sit out my back for the summer than pay 2 grand for a house down in Kerry for a week.

To be honest maybe in wrong but I don’t have a huge issue with that.

I’ll be honest I’ve no problem with holidaying at home this summer at all if I could be guaranteed it would actually be worth my while and things would actually be open to enjoy.

If it was a case of “we’ll open up the country but you can only holiday at home I’d say grand”

The problem I see is we will have neither, nothing opened up or no travel.

Corcaigh84

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'm spoiling my vote in the next Gen Election

Sick of it all,

I was thinking of doing same but I am going to vote for the most lunatic party / independents on the ballot. Spoiling just makes it easier for the usuals to get back in.

MOR316

rob316 wrote: »

I don't see foreign travel been reinstated this summer at all, not because of the virus but for economic reasons. The hospitality sector will need a boost and what better way than to keep us all in rip off republic. I'll sit out my back for the summer than pay 2 grand for a house down in Kerry for a week.

It will need a boost but, it's not going to get one.

I highly doubt the majority would pay high prices to sit in a hotel, for a weekend/week, while all the bars and restaurants are closed.

Balls to that

facehugger99

the kelt wrote: »

To be honest maybe in wrong but I don’t have a huge issue with that.

I’ll be honest I’ve no problem with holidaying at home this summer at all if I could be guaranteed it would actually be worth my while and things would actually be open to enjoy.

If it was a case of “we’ll open up the country but you can only holiday at home I’d say grand”

The problem I see is we will have neither, nothing opened up or no travel.

You don't have a huge issue with your constitutional rights and freedoms being removed for months on end?

Jesus, it really is worrying what most people have been reduced to.

TomTomTim

MOR316 wrote: »

It will need a boost but, it's not going to get one.

I highly doubt the majority would pay high prices to sit in a hotel, for a weekend/week, while all the bars and restaurants are closed.

Balls to that

That's just it. My main motivation for a holiday is cycling, but at the same time I'm not willing to spend nearly a grand on a week away, when I can't have any luxuries. If nothing's opened, I'll be stuck in a hotel room for most of the evenings, eating take out food. Why in the world would you pay a fortune for that?

the kelt

the kelt wrote: »

To be honest maybe in wrong but I don’t have a huge issue with that.

I’ll be honest I’ve no problem with holidaying at home this summer at all if I could be guaranteed it would actually be worth my while and things would actually be open to enjoy.

If it was a case of “we’ll open up the country but you can only holiday at home I’d say grand”

The problem I see is we will have neither, nothing opened up or no travel.

People need a break. They’ll go nuts if there is no reopening for summer. The bars and restaurants were open last year as were the hotels.

Captain_Crash

Corcaigh84 wrote: »

I was thinking of doing same but I am going to vote for the most lunatic party / independents on the ballot. Spoiling just makes it easier for the usuals to get back in.

I’m looking at relocating to another site with my company, but if I’m still here come the next election it’s simple, under no circumstance will I vote for someone who’s a member of this current government! I’m guessing it’ll be an independent as no party are really aligned with where I sit politically anyway but time will tell! But none of that shower there at the minute will even be entertained on my doorstep when out cavassing!!!

Captain_Crash

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’m looking at relocating to another site with my company, but if I’m still here come the next election it’s simple, under no circumstance will I vote for someone who’s a member of this current government! I’m guessing it’ll be an independent as no party are really aligned with where I sit politically anyway but time will tell! But none of that shower there at the minute will even be entertained on my doorstep when out cavassing!!!

Don’t tar them all with the same brush. Some weren’t in favor of these restrictions and voted accordingly. List posted back further here. Saying that the ones who want to keep us permanently in l/down are crazies and are causing untold damage and suffering to businesses and people. Banana republic stuff.

MOR316

gansi wrote: »

People need a break. They’ll go nuts if there is no reopening for summer. The bars and restaurants were open last year as were the hotels.

People are not reading between the lines here.
They have not mentioned bars/restaurants once. They won't be opening.

And as I'm sure a certain someone will come along in a minute and say, "I'll be laughing at you when I'm having my outdoor pint" well, good for you.
I can't really imagine many people will enjoy going for a 30 minute pint, in an overcast, damp summer in Ireland, as they're rushed out the exit to make way for whoever else is next in line, due to limited capacity

the kelt

gansi wrote: »

People need a break. They’ll go nuts if there is no reopening for summer. The bars and restaurants were open last year as were the hotels.

But so was travel?

Just to clarify when i say opened up i mean proper opened up and having a decent summer at home. For example having a crowd back in croke park, having crowds back at festivals, concerts etc. Last summer wasnt opened up.

If having no foreign travel meant things were properly opened up at home instead the yeah id say fair enough

Corholio

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you have a link to another publication or person you find more palatable who is challenging the orthodoxy?

It seems that anyone who does so is immediately cast as "far-right" in any case.

Perfect example of the case study. People who complain about being branded 'far-right' make up these accusations far more than they actually happen. I despise McGuirk, has jumped on anything over the years he thinks will get a rise out of some for his slimy satisfaction.

the kelt

facehugger99 wrote: »

You don't have a huge issue with your constitutional rights and freedoms being removed for months on end?

Jesus, it really is worrying what most people have been reduced to.

Your constitutional right for a piss up in marbella??

You're missing my point, if no foreign travel was the price to pay for things to be opened up and holidaying at home id say grand.

But i mean like proper opened up, i mean a crowd allowed back in croke park, concerts, festivals etc (obviously not at full capacity)

I mean pubs opened up, actually opened up and not this rubbish subtsantial meal ridiculousness)

Thats what i mean.

the kelt

the kelt wrote: »

But so was travel?

Just to clarify when i say opened up i mean proper opened up and having a decent summer at home. For example having a crowd back in croke park, having crowds back at festivals, concerts etc. Last summer wasnt opened up.

If having no foreign travel meant things were properly opened up at home instead the yeah id say fair enough

Yes I get you and that’s what we need a proper summer, one without terms and conditions attached. Maybe things will improve it’s so hard to know.

facehugger99

the kelt wrote: »

Your constitutional right for a piss up in marbella??

You're missing my point, if no foreign travel was the price to pay for things to be opened up and holidaying at home id say grand.

But i mean like proper opened up, i mean a crowd allowed back in croke park, concerts, festivals etc (obviously not at full capacity)

I mean pubs opened up, actually opened up and not this rubbish subtsantial meal ridiculousness)

Thats what i mean.

Never been - you must be confusing me with someone else.



The fact your willing to bargain away freedoms you had just over a year ago for some other freedoms you had just over a year ago is worrying.

Some people are happy with the crumbs that fall from the table.

paddyisreal

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

You refuse to understand that your own position - that people should flout restrictions - is based on supposed "righteousness".

But also extreme selfishness.

Where did I tell anyone to flout restrictions? I flout some of them because when the law is an ass it's an ass. I constantly go outside my 5k for the last few months but I don't tell anyone what to do, live and let live but I guess you and you're righteousness don't allow that

Gael23

North publishing timeline of easing restrictions tomorrow. Will put pressure on our crowd to stop trade going north

the kelt

facehugger99 wrote: »

Never been - you must be confusing me with someone else.



The fact your willing to bargain away freedoms you had just over a year ago for some other freedoms you had just over a year ago is worrying.

Some people are happy with the crumbs that fall from the table.

Well a year ago i could travel to a foreign country, i couldnt attend a game in croke park or have a pint with my friends or go to a gig.

If this summer i could travel if i wanted to but was asked to forego that travel and instead holiday at home to help out the most shat upon sector of the Irish economy through all this on the proviso that i could have a pint with my friends, go to a gig, go to croke park then yeah id be happy to do so, but i mean a normal summer not like last year.

Im not sure what your on about in reality? You're on about freedoms we had a year ago that we actually didnt due to a little old pandemic and waffling on about foregoing those freedoms and other freedoms which you can actually do!

We all want to do everything but to be fair as much as i rally against some of these stupid restrictions theres still an actual pandemic out there unfortunately.

Personally for me having this country back to normal is more important than a foreign holiday, you think differently obviously which is fair enough

paddyisreal

Gael23 wrote: »

North publishing timeline of easing restrictions tomorrow. Will put pressure on our crowd to stop trade going north

As the stone rose said "this is the one" . Will put serious pressure on us to at least open up non essential, sports etc. Hopefukky

dalyboy

Gael23 wrote: »

North publishing timeline of easing restrictions tomorrow. Will put pressure on our crowd to stop trade going north

Yip. Can’t wait to see this reopening plan.
I’m basing my summer plans around what’s announced for Northern Ireland 10 times more than anything announced here.
Some lovely towns worth visiting for weekend breakaways (and their hospitality will be open for business )