Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

titan18

PTH2009 wrote: »

'Brighter Days ahead'

'The End is truly in sight'

Donohoe was today saying we'll have some form of restrictions for rest of the year and likely into 2022. To me that's not very in sight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40266260.html%3ftype=amp

Mr Donohoe, in response to the Irish Examiner, said that this year’s figures are based on what he called “a moderation of restrictions” occurring in 2021 and moving to a lower level of restrictions in 2022.

He did not specify when such restrictions will come to an end but made clear that Ireland will remain under some form of limitation well into next year.

Aph2016

jusvi2001 wrote: »

I don't think our government have any political will or courage to take calculated risk and open up country. they will hide behind NPHET as they are doing now. What we are going to hear is... remember Christmas, hold firm, 4th wave coming, bla bla.....

Nah I disagree, that won't fly this time.

ypres5

titan18 wrote: »

Donohoe was today saying we'll have some form of restrictions for rest of the year and likely into 2022. To me that's not very in sight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40266260.html%3ftype=amp

Mr Donohoe, in response to the Irish Examiner, said that this year’s figures are based on what he called “a moderation of restrictions” occurring in 2021 and moving to a lower level of restrictions in 2022.

He did not specify when such restrictions will come to an end but made clear that Ireland will remain under some form of limitation well into next year.

Just another day on misery island

PTH2009

titan18 wrote: »

Donohoe was today saying we'll have some form of restrictions for rest of the year and likely into 2022. To me that's not very in sight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40266260.html%3ftype=amp

Mr Donohoe, in response to the Irish Examiner, said that this year’s figures are based on what he called “a moderation of restrictions” occurring in 2021 and moving to a lower level of restrictions in 2022.

He did not specify when such restrictions will come to an end but made clear that Ireland will remain under some form of limitation well into next year.

yippie, a reason for that is our ****e health care service

Meanwhile other places will be back as normal as they can get

_Kaiser_

titan18 wrote: »

Donohoe was today saying we'll have some form of restrictions for rest of the year and likely into 2022. To me that's not very in sight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40266260.html%3ftype=amp

Mr Donohoe, in response to the Irish Examiner, said that this year’s figures are based on what he called “a moderation of restrictions” occurring in 2021 and moving to a lower level of restrictions in 2022.

He did not specify when such restrictions will come to an end but made clear that Ireland will remain under some form of limitation well into next year.

Given most people seem to be done with the restrictions at this stage from all the activity I see around me, there's not a hope that they'll accept this nonsense into 2022.

finalfurlong

hynesie08 wrote: »

The sad (maybe not sad, more hilarious) thing is that I believe that the government have had a rough reopening plan since February, but a combination of caution and stubbornness has left them refusing to share it. And now, when Michael martin walks down the steps and announces our grand reopening plan 6 hours after Leo leaks it, he won't even get his moment in the sun cause everyone will just assume he opened under pressure from the North......

Interesting how starkly financial outlook today laid out how recovery in 2nd half of year depends on restrictions being wound down particularly in retail,manufacturing,services,Big change to have those open again with VAT excise and income tax incoming properly again and numbers off PUP etc.Reading between the lines I think Finance are pressing for end june at absolute bottom line for opening up -even at that there will be 8 weeks of money being spent in increasing amounts in North which is all leading to a pinch point of this government having to decide for once and for all that the economy and by extension the financing of public services can not be left holed beyond help any longer,given the lowering numbers of cases icu hospital patients and the much talked about vaccines.With the over 60s being done in next few weeks as it appears,there really has to be some shift in the current"abundance of caution"

dalyboy

hynesie08 wrote: »

The sad (maybe not sad, more hilarious) thing is that I believe that the government have had a rough reopening plan since February, but a combination of caution and stubbornness has left them refusing to share it. And now, when Michael martin walks down the steps and announces our grand reopening plan 6 hours after Leo leaks it, he won't even get his moment in the sun cause everyone will just assume he opened under pressure from the North......

It’s beyond caution and stubbornness at this point. It’s downright deceit. Why are golf courses , tennis courses and outside sports not fully operational NOW ?

Why has the 0.1% outside covid transmission report not been rammed down the throats of every “expert” when they continue recommend the closure of these (now confirmed safe)outside sporting recreations. ?

MOR316

MOR316 wrote: »

People are not reading between the lines here.
They have not mentioned bars/restaurants once. They won't be opening.

And as I'm sure a certain someone will come along in a minute and say, "I'll be laughing at you when I'm having my outdoor pint" well, good for you.
I can't really imagine many people will enjoy going for a 30 minute pint, in an overcast, damp summer in Ireland, as they're rushed out the exit to make way for whoever else is next in line, due to limited capacity

They did mention later opening hours for bars a while back, (maybe around Feb) when they eventually reopen. But you are right no dates at all, only being told things are data driven rather than date driven. And yes the limited capacity means feeling rushed. I went to one place where we’d to order at the door and once inside they kept taking things off our table as they were getting ready for us to leave and the next group to arrive.Not their fault as they have to make it pay and they’d been closed long enough. It would be great to see them getting going for the summer again though. Know some people who’ve booked summer breaks here but with free cancellation due to the uncertainty around reopening.

Fandymo

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Here's what you said.



And here's the proof you're wrong.

http://publin.ie/2020/dublin-pubs-open-for-food-and-drink-in-december-and-take-away-drinks/

Restaurants opened under stupid rules. Not one pub was allowed open in Dublin.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Given most people seem to be done with the restrictions at this stage from all the activity I see around me, there's not a hope that they'll accept this nonsense into 2022.

Sadly, I think most people will accept and support it. And even if people wanted to express opposition to it, it's just not possible because of the absence of opposition in Ireland.

ypres5

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Given most people seem to be done with the restrictions at this stage from all the activity I see around me, there's not a hope that they'll accept this nonsense into 2022.

To be honest I would have said the same thing last September or October but now honestly who knows? There seem to be plenty of people content for this to drag on indefinitely

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

To be honest I would have said the same thing last September or October but now honestly who knows? There seem to be plenty of people content for this to drag on indefinitely

They must be in the minority. Who’d really want this to drag on? Just can’t see it at all.

kwestfan08

What restrictions could be in place into 2022 if the whole population that wants to be vaccinated is?

JRant

I get the impression Paschal is just being ultra cautious in his forecast. Who can blame him with NPHET and the rest of the government seemingly happy enough to keep this never ending lockdown going. He's probably been briefed that we'll be at level 2 at best this year and in to next year. That could change if israel and the UKs opening goes to plan.

ypres5

gansi wrote: »

They must be in the minority. Who’d really want this to drag on? Just can’t see it at all.

There's some people who if the gov told them the sky was hot pink they'd believe it. To paraphrase abe lincoln 'you can fool some of the people all of the time'

Seweryn

charlie14 wrote: »

As I said earlier, I would have more faith in your numbers if you had not attempted to show on another thread by doing similar, that Sweden had no excess deaths for 2020.

I will say that as clearly as I can - these are the numbers. Not "my numbers". You can take a calculator and add them together yourself if you don't trust "my numbers".

Bringing a different discussion into this conversation and trying to make a base for the argument that these numbers are wrong, because I said something in another thread about Sweden is just childish. You simply want to keep arguing for no reason whatsoever. If I show you a white piece of paper next time will you be saying it is black, because I said something you don't agree with in another tread? Seriously?

charlie14 wrote: »

Your point on Covid-19 not being a "drama killer" is not based on a years deaths. It is based on a little over 9.5 months as Ireland`s first Covid -19 death was not until March 11th. 2020.

That statement above... Seriously? What difference to the overall number is this going to make if we remove Jan and Feb from the current year and add Jan and Feb from the following? Are the numbers going to make this cat a lion killer somehow? No. There are no months with thousands of extra deaths in sight.

charlie14 wrote: »

The fact that you are still persisting with your "no drama killer" in relation to Sweden`s "few %" says it all for me when it comes to Covid-19 deaths where you are concerned
Sweden who for the first 12 weeks of 2020 had below average deaths, had by 31st December 9,175 more deaths (10.3%), than the previous year.

Would you mind to stop arguing about Sweden here, especially when you are not comparing 2020 with at least a few years average? You have picked a single year - 2019 for comparison with 2020, which in Sweden had the lowest number of deaths in the population during a single year since 1977 despite the growth in population (!). That says a lot about your analysis and your arguing...

Silentcorner

ypres5 wrote: »

There's some people who if the told them the sky was hot pink they'd believe it. To paraphrase abe lincoln 'you can fool some of the people all of the time'

The fear of variants is something I can't get over...we have had variants from the very beginning...they only became a concern after the vaccines were announced.

FintanMcluskey

titan18 wrote: »

Donohoe was today saying we'll have some form of restrictions for rest of the year and likely into 2022. To me that's not very in sight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40266260.html%3ftype=amp

Mr Donohoe, in response to the Irish Examiner, said that this year’s figures are based on what he called “a moderation of restrictions” occurring in 2021 and moving to a lower level of restrictions in 2022.

He did not specify when such restrictions will come to an end but made clear that Ireland will remain under some form of limitation well into next year.

Until Ireland changes its “just in case” approach there will be restrictions for ever more

These guys stopped Ireland opening last Summer because case numbers were high in other countries

When we change the metrics used to implement restrictions is when we are on the road out of this

Right now, it’s not based on hospital numbers, it’s not based on ICU numbers, it’s not based on vaccination numbers, it’s based only on a “just in case numbers rise and the health service can’t cope”

Rather than flatten the curve, let’s instead say just in case

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Until Ireland changes its “just in case” approach there will be restrictions for ever more

These guys stopped Ireland opening last Summer because case numbers were high in other countries

When we change the metrics used to implement restrictions is when we are on the road out of this

Right now, it’s not based on hospital numbers, it’s not based on ICU numbers, it’s not based on vaccination numbers, it’s based only on a “just in case numbers rise and the health service can’t cope”

Rather than flatten the curve, let’s instead say just in case

I believe they are basing a lot of their decisions on the famous Nolan "Random number generator" model. Remember, the had the best mathematical boffins in the country crunch the numbers on it. From listening to Nolan yesterday it would appear that the model is based on keeping maximum restrictions until we get to maximum vaccinations. That way we can start to cautiously open up in a gradual manner.

gozunda

drkpower wrote: »

If allowing the healthcare system to manage illness and roll out public health measures was a justification for fundamental restrictions on personal liberty, we should have been in lockdown for the last few decades.

I worked on the frontline of the Irish health system in the 90s/00s, and it was - and still is - constantly on the verge of metaphorical,if not literal collapse.

I see no one claiming the health service pre covid was a paradigm of anything or anything it does is a "justification for fundamental restrictions on personal liberty"

Restrictions are there to help manage the rate of infection. The health service is there to mop up the damage caused by that infection on real people. But that's not to deny the massive work and resources that have been put in the health service over the last year to cope with the pressures causdd by the current pandemic. I have a number of family members working on the front line. I wouldn't swap with them for a lotto win

11521323

kwestfan08 wrote: »

What restrictions could be in place into 2022 if the whole population that wants to be vaccinated is?

Why are people so nonchalantly discarding the latter half of 2021? We're expecting to have the adult population vaccinated by August, how are any sort of significant restrictions even being discussed on here for 2022?

Stormyteacup

ypres5 wrote: »

There's some people who if the told them the sky was hot pink they'd believe it. To paraphrase abe lincoln 'you can fool some of the people all of the time'

Yes especially where fear/worry mixed with experts are involved.

Imagine hypothetically your business was data/internet security. Would it not be in your interest to convey to your clients a severe, worst case scenario re data leakage and hacker threat - and thereby ensure the success of your business?

NPHET, prominent ultra-cautious experts sniffing research grants and a raised media profile, and any business that has profited from restrictions have much to gain from an unnecessarily drawn out easing of restrictions.

Likely those wanting this fiasco to be prolonged are in the minority, but they’re a minority with a lot of power and vested interests at play.

Graham

Stormyteacup wrote: »

NPHET, prominent ultra-cautious experts sniffing research grants and a raised media profile, and any business that has profited from restrictions have much to gain from an unnecessarily drawn out easing of restrictions.

Likely those wanting this fiasco to be prolonged are in the minority, but they’re a minority with a lot of power and vested interests at play.

That some top class conspiracy theory stuff there teacup.

Stormyteacup

Graham wrote: »

That some top class conspiracy theory stuff there teacup.

I’m smiling because I said I’d count to ten before the CT dig was thrown.

Honestly it’s just plain naive at this point to think NPHET have the greater interest of public health at heart.

They barely care about their own employees. Where is the increase in recruitment and retention of frontline staff, increase in salary to enable them afford to buy a home when then have no wfh option so are limited to area. Did they sort out the consultant mess, make huge efforts to increase ICU capacity (yes they are planned to be increased but I think anyone can agree it’s too little and too slow).

It’s not a conspiracy theory to believe there are groups in power that are acting in their own interest.

Graham

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I’m smiling because I said I’d count to ten before the CT dig was thrown.

That's generally what happens when you throw conspiracy theories about.

GT89

Sums up the madness
https://twitter.com/TheFreds/status/1382359144456421382?s=19

Stormyteacup

Graham wrote: »

That's generally what happens when you throw conspiracy theories about.

As I explained it’s not a conspiracy theory to acknowledge there are those in power that abuse that power for their own agendas. If you live under a rock you might have missed the extent to which this happens. Government scandals, church scandals, bank and stockbroker scandals - all manipulation for personal profit in some shape or form.

Graham

Stormyteacup wrote: »

As I explained it’s not a conspiracy theory to acknowledge there are those in power that abuse that power for their own agendas.

That's not what your post said.

Stormyteacup

Graham wrote: »

That's not what your post said.

You may want to expand on the nitpicking. Perhaps you can identify the conspiracy theory in my post for starters?

bear1

How much more can the economy take before it tanks?
How much more are people willing to accept before enough becomes enough?
I just can't fathom what is being done to the place.