Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

LineOfBeauty

niallo27 wrote: »

People going on about restrictions easing, this Friday name one thing I can do socially besides meet one other person in a field. Name one ****ing thing I can do.

Thanks to our government you can now meet that person in a field 20k from your respective home's, giving both of you a far greater choice of fields than the previous 5k would allow.

JeffKenna

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Thanks to our government you can now meet that person in a field 20k from your respective home's, giving both of you a far greater choice of fields than the previous 5k would allow.

Stay out of my field!!!!

Snooker Loopy

francogarbanzo wrote: »

OK, so one of those people is Covid positive and infectious, and since we're living our best lives like New Zealand and everything's open and wonderful, it infects one more person. And then another. What then? How does that work in your Zero Covid Ireland?

As for your freight point, who are the people who are trying to wish away the pandemic again? "We should have done some unknown thing better in some way!"

This has happened in countries which have aggressive suppression and they have dealt with it. They use short, sharp lockdowns and use their public health teams to ruthlessly isolate any outbreak.

This happens in the real world and it is happening regularly.

Where has the outcry on this forum been over Ireland's lack of public health capacity, with public health teams understaffed, underfunded and having to use pieces of paper because we don;t have a functioning IT system?

Because I sure haven't seen any outcry over it from the usual "open it up", "we've had enough" suspects.

ypres5

JeffKenna wrote: »

Stay out of my field!!!!

Be a good yank, go home

Sofa King Great

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Thanks to our government you can now meet that person in a field 20k from your respective home's, giving both of you a far greater choice of fields than the previous 5k would allow.

If the field is near a building site you can say "that building is flying up"

Snooker Loopy

francogarbanzo wrote: »

"I love immigrants," Trump said, when presenter Jose Diaz-Balart asked the president about his administration's policies on child separation, on the DACA program protecting people brought to the US illegally as children -- which the president ended -- and on his "zero-tolerance" border plans.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/trump-courts-the-hispanic-vote-i-love-immigrants-119062100150_1.html

My man. You're the one throwing out ad hominems and deliberately misrepresenting others' points like "Trumpian", "Mad for pints", "Let er rip".

You clearly have no intention whatsoever of arguing in good faith.

Seweryn

PintOfView wrote: »

Can you explain what you think would have happened if we hadn't locked down?
You have shown you can do a good job adding numbers up.
Now demonstrate you can draw sensible conclusions from those numbers, and their context!

If we had no lockdown we would have up to 120k deaths, as predicted by Prof McConkey.

On a serious note, I was trying to see our excess deaths from these numbers, and, I couldn't find any. It looks like an average year despite the 2.3k Cov. deaths, whatever that means. You can draw your own conclusion on these claimed deaths.

A Shaved Duck?

gozunda wrote: »

To be clearer. We have 'experts' in this thread lauding some experts and deriding others simply because they don't agree with their own personal bias.

As for NPHET

Currently NPHET is composed of:



Member list here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

The role of NPHET as detailed is to advise the government on strategy to help manage the rate of infection etc of Covid 19. Afaik they don't get to implement policy.

The amount of people on that list and the only solution is to lock down the whole country with no nuance or analysis of things that could be open?..

The amount of leaks make sense now with 6 deputy chief medical officers alone.

niallo27

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1382291201655779330

We should have stayed out of the EU scheme and done our own deal.

But the variants, we could all die at any minute.

Graham

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Oh is sport back on April 26th? I play sport, I've heard nothing of the sort.

26 April

Outdoor sports facilities can reopen (eg: pitches, golf courses and tennis courts, other facilities as appropriate)

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

What domestic travel?

You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong here, but unless you're a child or old enough to be in a group that's received a vaccine then essentially your stuck inside with your only reprieve being your daily exercise.

Two households can meet up with each other outdoors for social and recreational purposes, however not in private gardens.

Yup, you're wrong.

Vicxas

The variants! Have to think about the variants!

Lumen

niallo27 wrote: »

People going on about restrictions easing, this Friday name one thing I can do socially besides meet one other person in a field. Name one ****ing thing I can do.

You don't have to stand in a field.

You can walk, run, cycle, swim, surf, paddle anywhere in your county/20km from home with people from a maximum of two households.

Also, technically you could have a BBQ with two households in the garden of a third household, as long as the residents of that third household are not home. :pac:

Graham

niallo27 wrote: »

But the variants, we could all die at any minute.

are we back to playing "things that nobody said" again?

Allinall

niallo27 wrote: »

But the variants, we could all die at any minute.

Said nobody, ever.

Snooker Loopy

Seweryn wrote: »

If we had no lockdown we would have up to 120k deaths, as predicted by Prof McConkey.

On a serious note, I was trying to see our excess deaths from these numbers, and, I couldn't find any. It looks like an average year despite the 2.3k Cov. deaths, whatever that means. You can draw your own conclusion on these claimed deaths.

You tell us how many deaths we would have had we never had a lockdown, so?

What's a lockdown, anyway? Is Level 4 a "lockdown"? Level 3? Level 2? Level 1?

Neil Ferguson predicted 240k deaths were Britain to remain on the course they were plotting in mid-March 2020.

Britain has had 127k Covid deaths, and that's only within the 28 day cut off, so the real figure is likely approaching 150k if not north of it.

And that's after Britain changed course in terms of policy when warned by Ferguson.

Ferguson has since become a boogie man for the anti-lockdowners, "Ferguson got it wrong etc."

How did he get it wrong?

Sharpyshoot

Vicxas wrote: »

The variants! Have to think about the variants!

The variants vary and especially in the next 6-8 weeks they could vary a lot.

Snooker Loopy

Lumen wrote: »

You don't have to stand in a field.

You can walk, run, cycle, swim, surf, paddle anywhere in your county/20km from home with people from a maximum of two households.

Also, technically you could have a BBQ with two households in the garden of a third household, as long as the residents of that third household are not home. :pac:

That won't convince some people that they aren't Jews living in the Lodz ghetto in 1941.

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

People going on about restrictions easing, this Friday name one thing I can do socially besides meet one other person in a field. Name one ****ing thing I can do.

Drink cans in the field with them!!
But seriously there is nothing for people to do across all age groups. And when this is pointed out some people here go on the defensive big time.

LineOfBeauty

Graham wrote: »

26 April

Outdoor sports facilities can reopen (eg: pitches, golf courses and tennis courts, other facilities as appropriate)



You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries



Two households can meet up with each other outdoors for social and recreational purposes, however not in private gardens.

Yup, you're wrong.

I'm wrong, I'm aware of that stuff but God what a low bar we've set.

Golf and tennis. Those are the 2 sports we can play... I play soccer, that's certainly not on the table, not even non contact training. Gyms? Not a hope.

Domestic travel 20k beyond your house, that's what is now counted as domestic travel. Jesus wept. I can't even get to Bray on that.

So, as already said, I can meet a few people in a field. Great, my weekend looks better already! Of course, no drinking in that field though and I suppose it'll have to be within 20k of our respective houses.

That's what I'm wrong about? That's the restrictions that have been eased? 50 in ICU and that's it?

Vicxas

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

The variants vary and especially in the next 6-8 weeks they could vary a lot.

Im varying on the variants, its already happening!

Snooker Loopy

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Yes I want pubs open. I wanted them open last summer, I want them open now. You don't know anything about my "ideology". I also want, say, fishing shops open. Am I mad for fishing? Is my ideology just no deeper than "give me fishing!"

Thanks for at least answering the question about "how to Zero Covid," but to get more specific, can you talk about how we'd handle the border to the North?

Well, given you wanted pubs open last summer, hopefully you're happy with how things have worked put since.

You got what you wanted, and what you wanted was the situation we've had since Christmas.

francogarbanzo

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Well, given you wanted pubs open last summer, hopefully you're happy with how things have worked put since.

You got what you wanted, and what you wanted was the situation we've had since Christmas.

Why would I be happy? Everything is closed and has been since October last year except for a two week break at Christmas .

kwestfan08

How anyone can stand over having tough restrictions after the elderly and at risk have been vaccinated is beyond me. Why can’t they let the younger people just get on with it at that stage? Who is at risk if the at risk are vaccinated?

the kelt

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

In my view we should have shut the border as far as was possible with exemptions for people whose work depended on cross border travel. I am not an expert in freight but nobody can tell me there were not solutions available. We have drastically changed how we live and work in the last year so why should freight be any different?

What were the pros of opening up society without any plan as we did last summer?

What is there to recommend the approach Ireland has taken in the last year? What's there to say "Ireland took the right approach"?

You see, these are the questions the majority of the posters on this forum should be answering?

Because those who are calling for opening up now - those who are moaning the loudest about our current situation - were the ones who cheerled the road to our current situation!

And they appear to have no shame or self awareness whatsoever about this.

Those who moan loudly about our current situation, who want to "open it up", those wanted to "open it up" before" - and always without a plan - they're hypocrites.

So how do we shut a border with over 200 road crossings alone, a border that has at least 11 instances where the border runs down the middle of the road, a border that has more crossings in Ireland than along the entire border between the European Union and the countries to its east, which has 137.

How does freight work in this closed border?

What about the political implications of putting in a hard border, does it matter?

What about people who traverse the border for other reasons, im thinking of my own family, live north of the border, kids in school in the south, work in the south, family in the south?

Who pays to police this border?

How much manpower is required?

What do the European Union make of this?

What implications does it have on the peace process?

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

26 April

Outdoor sports facilities can reopen (eg: pitches, golf courses and tennis courts, other facilities as appropriate)



You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries



Two households can meet up with each other outdoors for social and recreational purposes, however not in private gardens.

Yup, you're wrong.

This made me laugh, you actually think this is a substantial easing of restrictions. Seriously, you have to be taken the piss.

Tenzor07

the kelt wrote: »

So how do we shut a border with over 200 road crossings alone, a border that has at least 11 instances where the border runs down the middle of the road, a border that has more crossings in Ireland than along the entire border between the European Union and the countries to its east, which has 137.

I wouldn't entertain the notion if I was you...

It's like being back in April 2020..

Enough of the Zero Covid nonsence at this stage...

niallo27

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Well, given you wanted pubs open last summer, hopefully you're happy with how things have worked put since.

You got what you wanted, and what you wanted was the situation we've had since Christmas.

Pubs never opened in Dublin for one, your not making any sense.

Multipass

kwestfan08 wrote: »

How anyone can stand over having tough restrictions after the elderly and at risk have been vaccinated is beyond me. Why can’t they let the younger people just get on with it at that stage? Who is at risk if the at risk are vaccinated?

Shh, that’s far too sensible. The worried need protecting too.

gozunda

Hellrazer wrote: »

Maybe not but our leaders are so afraid of going against NPHETs "advice" that if Nphet said they could cure covid completely by looking in a mirror and saying Stephen Donnelly is an amazing Health Minister 50 times while spinning around with black candles lighting, standing in a pentagram they`d implement it tomorrow without question (a bit extreme but you get where Im going)

While NPHET dont "implement" policy it certainly feels that way since not one person in the government will even question their "advice" or call them to task over the scaremongering that they seem content with.

Well leaving aside the mad stuff about black masses and whatever. It would appear the government has more than once publicly gone against the advice coming from NPHET. interestingly enough with mixed results.

As for the "scaremongering" - plenty of that engaged on freely here and social media in general with the "the restrictions will never be rolled back" to the its all a goverment conspiracy or wtte. The media seem to do a very good line on that as well. Tbh I don't expect Nphet to be otherwise than cautious and conservative in their policies.

What I dont get is people not understanding that we have a way out of the pandemic via vaccination and yes that may take some time. But fuq it - its the only real solution at this stage to what has already happened here and is agsin now happening in other countries with a rollercoaster of rises in infection, decline and rise again. Its a fuker of a virus to deal with at best.

RGS

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Thanks to our government you can now meet that person in a field 20k from your respective home's, giving both of you a far greater choice of fields than the previous 5k would allow.

But not a field with holes, greens, fairways, and a nine iron in your hand.