Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

uli84

dalyboy wrote: »

Yip. Can’t wait to see this reopening plan.
I’m basing my summer plans around what’s announced for Northern Ireland 10 times more than anything announced here.
Some lovely towns worth visiting for weekend breakaways (and their hospitality will be open for business )

Same here, especially since i’m close to the border

facehugger99

the kelt wrote: »

Well a year ago i could travel to a foreign country, i couldnt attend a game in croke park or have a pint with my friends or go to a gig.

If this summer i could travel if i wanted to but was asked to forego that travel and instead holiday at home to help out the most shat upon sector of the Irish economy through all this on the proviso that i could have a pint with my friends, go to a gig, go to croke park then yeah id be happy to do so, but i mean a normal summer not like last year.

Im not sure what your on about in reality? You're on about freedoms we had a year ago that we actually didnt due to a little old pandemic and waffling on about foregoing those freedoms and other freedoms which you can actually do!

We all want to do everything but to be fair as much as i rally against some of these stupid restrictions theres still an actual pandemic out there unfortunately.

Personally for me having this country back to normal is more important than a foreign holiday, you think differently obviously which is fair enough

Why do you think it's a choice between the two?

The rest of your post is gobbledygook TBH - no idea what you're on about.

the kelt

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why do you think it's a choice between the two?

Didn’t say it was. That’s where I used the word IF in my post.

I didn’t say it was a choice between the two but IF it was a choice personally yeah I’d have the country back to normal IF it meant foregoing a foreign holiday.

As I said in one of my original posts on the matter, the chances are with our government and nphet we will have neither anyway.

dalyboy

uli84 wrote: »

Same here, especially since i’m close to the border

45 mins myself off the M1.
Summer hopefully saved imo

_Kaiser_

Donnelly just on NT talking about how great the vaccines are. That's nice...if you could get one.

A few minutes earlier he says they're looking at removing mandatory hotel quarantines for vaccinated people... so they can quarantine at home

What? :rolleyes:

paddyisreal

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Donnelly just on NT talking about how great the vaccines are. That's nice...if you could get one.

A few minutes earlier he says they're looking at removing mandatory hotel quarantines for vaccinated people... so they can quarantine at home

What? :rolleyes:

That interview was comedy gold. He was trying to tell the newstalk fella that the jandj vaccine withdrawal was not that big a deal since we have extra Pfizer not releasing that the Pfizer was 2 doses and he's our minster for health. God help us

Allinall

paddyisreal wrote: »

That interview was comedy gold. He was trying to tell the newstalk fella that the jandj vaccine withdrawal was not that big a deal since we have extra Pfizer not releasing that the Pfizer was 2 doses and he's our minster for health. God help us

I listened to the interview. At no stage did he give the impression that he didn’t realise that Pfizer was two doses.
He said he was talking to Roman Glynn just this afternoon about the possibility of stretching the time between the two Pfizer jabs, to 8 or 12 weeks.

Perhaps you misheard?

JRant

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Donnelly just on NT talking about how great the vaccines are. That's nice...if you could get one.

A few minutes earlier he says they're looking at removing mandatory hotel quarantines for vaccinated people... so they can quarantine at home

What? :rolleyes:

There's a very good possibility that they are looking to change the quarantine requirements as they feel it won't hold up to a legal challenge.

bombs away

As much as I don't like the guy, I do like that he mentioned signing up to the European green pass system for vaccines as soon as it becomes available to allow travel within the EU. Still, I'll believe it when I see it.

Snooker Loopy

niallo27 wrote: »

Pubs never opened in Dublin for one, your not making any sense.

Pubs did open in Dublin. Just because a pub serves food doesn't mean it's not a pub.

"You're".

JRant

Allinall wrote: »

I listened to the interview. At no stage did he give the impression that he didn’t realise that Pfizer was two doses.
He said he was talking to Roman Glynn just this afternoon about the possibility of stretching the time between the two Pfizer jabs, to 8 or 12 weeks.

Perhaps you misheard?

Why is he speaking to Glynn about it?
Glynn was very clear at yesterdays health committee meeting that he could speak about vaccines and the question would need to go through NIAC.

noserider

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Pubs did open in Dublin. Just because a pub serves food doesn't mean it's not a pub.

"You're".

Where have the Vitners Federation gone in all this?
They seem v quiet. Last year they were screaming and shouting for some sort of easing up of restrictions to allow pubs/restraints trade.

niallo27

Gael23 wrote: »

North publishing timeline of easing restrictions tomorrow. Will put pressure on our crowd to stop trade going north

You think so, we were the old country in the world to close construction and they didn't care. They are a bunch of clueless idiots been led by over cautious health officials, we haven't a hope. They don't care about the normal Joe like me and you, they are living in their own bubble where saving one live is worth thousands of jobs and making every live in misery, because make no mistake about it, this is a miserable existence.

normanoffside

Lumen wrote: »

The worldwide COVID death toll is around 380 deaths per million.

The UK death toll is around 1,900 deaths per million.

So just by performing averagely the UK could have avoided 80% of the deaths.

There are only 11 countries in the world which did worse.

What was the average age of the UK deaths?
Considering how many died over a year ago, How many of them would still be here without Covid?

That's before you even get to the fact that almost a quarter of their reported Covid deaths didn't actually die because of it.

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1382214221199515648

niallo27

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Pubs did open in Dublin. Just because a pub serves food doesn't mean it's not a pub.

"You're".

Your wrong there I'm afraid.

Snooker Loopy

paddyisreal wrote: »

Where did I tell anyone to flout restrictions? I flout some of them because when the law is an ass it's an ass. I constantly go outside my 5k for the last few months but I don't tell anyone what to do, live and let live but I guess you and you're righteousness don't allow that

When I said I would obey any restrictions introduced to protect public health, you ridiculed me.

That sounds very much like you're telling me what to do? Doesn't it?

Now you're rowing back, while again attempting to ridicule me.

Make up your mind.

You use "righteousness" as a sad attempt at a derisory trigger word in the same way misogynists use "woke" as a derisory trigger word.

Yet there is conspicuous "righteousness" all over your position. You say you break restrictions because you feel "the law is an ass". That's a self consciousness display of "righteousness".

You genuinely believe you are "righteous".

Which is quite the hypocrisy in a post where you're calling somebody "righteous" in a derisory way.

Isn't it?

Snooker Loopy

niallo27 wrote: »

Your wrong there I'm afraid.

Here's what you said.

niallo27 wrote: »

Pubs never opened in Dublin for one, your not making any sense.

And here's the proof you're wrong.

http://publin.ie/2020/dublin-pubs-open-for-food-and-drink-in-december-and-take-away-drinks/

Sobit1964

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Here's what you said.



And here's the proof you're wrong.

http://publin.ie/2020/dublin-pubs-open-for-food-and-drink-in-december-and-take-away-drinks/

What about 'wet' pubs?

hynesie08

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Here's what you said.



And here's the proof you're wrong.

http://publin.ie/2020/dublin-pubs-open-for-food-and-drink-in-december-and-take-away-drinks/

Pubs operating as Restaraunts are not pubs.

aidoh

TomTomTim wrote: »

No, they are people who are simply fed up with having their rights restricted, by a government who have no plan. You can talk about plans all you want, but what does it matter when the government isn't listening? Your posts, over and over again ignore the human element. There isn't much more of this that we can take, most of us are willing to live with the risks to get our liberty back. Simply put, no one is going to tolerate the continuation of these policies beyond the summer. You've lost the audience!!

I so hope you're right but I've been hearing "no ones gonna take any more after this summer" for a literal year.

We're a meak bunch in all honesty.

Maybe when PUP runs dry, public opinion will change and we'll see some alternative opinions on TV though.

PTH2009

Envious of some of ye near the border who can go up to the north for a weekend/break and live. A trip up from the south east seems a bit of hassle. The 12th July is a Monday but still wouldn't feel comfortable up there for that weekend

Lets hope there plan is effective ie putting massive pressure on our lot to reopen faster and disobey NPHET advice which will be overly cautious as always. Its not a given either that the Government will change there approach (we want to be the good little boys and girls of Europe)

charlie14

hynesie08 wrote: »

Pubs operating as Restaraunts are not pubs.

Are you sure you have not got that somewhat backwards ?

My understanding is that pubs that served food last Summer did not need to get a restaurant licence to do so, but they would have needed a pub licence to serve alcohol with those meals.

Seweryn

charlie14 wrote: »

If the figures for 2020 are complete why add this extra 1,000 ?

Because I wanted to show real life numbers and I know there will always be a few deaths added later in the year to the previous year's figures and someone could point out that there should be an allowance made for these (which would be a fair point). That is why. Yet you had to make an argument that there actually is an allowance for it.
Arguing for the sake of it... Really? OK so, we can remove the provisional deaths and have no speculation / allowance for potential late registered deaths.

charlie14 wrote: »

It makes a difference because you are attempting to show there have been no excess year deaths from Covid-19 based on figures (complete or not) that are only for the year ending 31st Dec, when the complete year for Covid-19 deaths is from 11th March 2020 (Ireland`s first death) until 11th March 2021.

Am I attempting to show there have been no excess deaths last year? Are you serious? I have shown the numbers, but if you think there has been more deaths last year than normal, please show us how and where you read that.

And no, the calendar year starts in January. We are not going to change the calendar so it starts on 11th March with the first Cov. death. We can compare figures for 2022 in 12 months or so, when the numbers are available.

Yes, we could remove the first two months from each year for comparison, but that is not going to change the overall result. The message the numbers are telling us here is that there have been no excess deaths in the country in 2020.

charlie14 wrote: »

You made the statement that Covid-19 was no "drama killer". I pointed out to you where it was using Sweden, whose figures from posting on another thread you are aware off, as an example.

Perhaps it`s not as much of a "drama killer" in Ireland as Sweden`s figure show it to have been there (even for an incomplete year of Covid-19 deaths), due to Ireland using lockdown as opposed to Sweden`s wishy washy recommendations and restrictions in 2020 ?

Yes, it was and still is no drama killer (thankfully). You can argue about a few % for Sweden, but the facts and numbers remain solid.

charlie14

Seweryn wrote: »

Because I wanted to show real life numbers and I know there will always be a few deaths added later in the year to the previous year's figures and someone could point out that there should be an allowance made for these (which would be a fair point). That is why. Yet you had to make an argument that there actually is an allowance for it.
Arguing for the sake of it... Really? OK so, we can remove the provisional deaths and have no speculation / allowance for potential late registered deaths.






Am I attempting to show there have been no excess deaths last year? Are you serious? I have shown the numbers, but if you think there has been more deaths last year than normal, please show us how and where you read that.

And no, the calendar year starts in January. We are not going to change the calendar so it starts on 11th March with the first Cov. death. We can compare figures for 2022 in 12 months or so, when the numbers are available.

Yes, we could remove the first two months from each year for comparison, but that is not going to change the overall result. The message the numbers are telling us here is that there have been no excess deaths in the country in 2020.


Yes, it was and still is no drama killer (thankfully). You can argue about a few % for Sweden, but the facts and numbers remain solid.

As I said earlier, I would have more faith in your numbers if you had not attempted to show on another thread by doing similar, that Sweden had no excess deaths for 2020.

Your point on Covid-19 not being a "drama killer" is not based on a years deaths. It is based on a little over 9.5 months as Ireland`s first Covid -19 death was not until March 11th. 2020.
We can compare what effect, if any, Covid-19 deaths had for Ireland when we know Ireland`s total deaths from 11th March 2020 until 10 March 2021.


The fact that you are still persisting with your "no drama killer" in relation to Sweden`s "few %" says it all for me when it comes to Covid-19 deaths where you are concerned
Sweden who for the first 12 weeks of 2020 had below average deaths, had by 31st December 9,175 more deaths (10.3%), than the previous year.

Aph2016

Great news to hear the North are publishing a plan for reopening, it won't be long until we're green with envy looking at them getting back to normal, the pressure will then start to mount on the government.

Give it another month until cases and deaths hit rock bottom, and the government won't have any option but to give us back the freedoms they've stolen from us.

Silentcorner

charlie14 wrote: »

Sweden who for the first 12 weeks of 2020 had below average deaths, had by 31st December 9,175 more deaths (10.3%), than the previous year.

And you had that head banger McConkey telling us we were going to get 120,000 deaths....so what was he predicting for Sweden, 250,000 deaths if they didn't lock down?

jusvi2001

Aph2016 wrote: »

Great news to hear the North are publishing a plan for reopening, it won't be long until we're green with envy looking at them getting back to normal, the pressure will then start to mount on the government.

Give it another month until cases and deaths hit rock bottom, and the government won't have any option but to give us back the freedoms they've stolen from us.

I don't think our government have any political will or courage to take calculated risk and open up country. they will hide behind NPHET as they are doing now. What we are going to hear is... remember Christmas, hold firm, 4th wave coming, bla bla.....

hynesie08

The sad (maybe not sad, more hilarious) thing is that I believe that the government have had a rough reopening plan since February, but a combination of caution and stubbornness has left them refusing to share it. And now, when Michael martin walks down the steps and announces our grand reopening plan 6 hours after Leo leaks it, he won't even get his moment in the sun cause everyone will just assume he opened under pressure from the North......

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

The sad (maybe not sad, more hilarious) thing is that I believe that the government have had a rough reopening plan since February, but a combination of caution and stubbornness has left them refusing to share it. And now, when Michael martin walks down the steps and announces our grand reopening plan 6 hours after Leo leaks it, he won't even get his moment in the sun cause everyone will just assume he opened under pressure from the North......

'Brighter Days ahead'

'The End is truly in sight'

PintOfView

Seweryn wrote: »

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As I mentioned before, your numbers show that April 2020 had 35% more deaths than any previous April.
These would be people who caught it in March, before we locked down.
For the rest of 2020 monthly deaths returned to normal, or below normal.

So could it be argued that the lockdowns worked very well?
After all if you look at the US experience they've had a high number of excess deaths for 12 months now,
so that shows what might have happened with a half hearted lockdown, doesn't it?