Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

SnuggyBear

Hold firm lads, galvenise your efforts.

the kelt

francogarbanzo wrote: »

I can take this one like a pro-lockdowner: "Jeez that's very cold of you. You'd be speaking differently if you lost anyone close to you because of suicide during this time. Very selfish indeed."

Yep, even though we have had an increase in suicide in Ireland apparently global is all that counts. (Also in reality a suicide death can take up to 6 months to be registered as such so we don’t know the full figures yet)

It’s seems the lack of empathy for anything other than COVID knows no bounds.

Snooker Loopy

Silentcorner wrote: »

It's not surprising that you are struggling with this to be honest.

The virus spread will behave differently in Co Clare than Dublin City....do you understand why?

The virus spread will behave differently in Ireland than it will in Germany....do you understand?

The virus spread will behave differently at different times of the year, do you understand?

The virus will be with us this summer....the virus will be with us next winter....the surge will occur between Oct-March...most likely somewhere in between, it may even mutate during that period and surge twice...

What is maintaining the hysteria is what is happening in other countries, that do not matter to us.

Remember back in Feb when the media were hysterical about deadly new variants that were an immediate threat...well, most of us here were correct in seeing through that hysteria....and we were right....and none of us are experts, you don't need to be to see the patterns on how this virus is behaving...it just takes an ability to remove oneself from the hysteria.

You come across as the type of person that gets furious with weather forecasters when they tell you things you don't want to hear.

Silentcorner

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Certainly if we had listened to McConkey before Christmas, we would not have had the massive surge in cases and deaths around the Christmas and New Year period which we are still trying to peg back.

However, you, who are presumably heavily endowed with qualifications and expertise in the field of epidemiology, virology, public health etc., are here to tell us that you are more qualified to do McConkey's job than he is, and that his credentials and expertise are worthless.

That's quite hilarious.

The very fact that the "it's only a flu" crowd attack people who say things they don't like as "scientifically illiterate" is a sad reflection on our society and on the type of people who know the square root of sod all about a complicated topic, but whose lack of knowledge will never stop them making massive claims with the total certainty that only the terminally unaware can possess.

I certainly wouldn't claim that people who have said things that were wrong are scientifically illiterate.
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You don't consider Sam McConkey of being completely and utterly wrong by being out by 116,000 deaths?

And we are supposed to take you seriously.

No where have I claimed to be an expert, far from it...it just doesn't take a genius to see what the data is telling us.

I'd say you couldn't spot a b*lls**t merchant if he was selling you magic beans that will protect you from Covid!!!

JMNolan

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

You come across as the type of person that gets furious with weather forecasters when they tell you things you don't want to hear.

I get pissed off when the weather forecast is constantly wrong

Silentcorner

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

You come across as the type of person that gets furious with weather forecasters when they tell you things you don't want to hear.

Well, if we were closing down society and locking down for 6 months destroying our economy and causing what will be the greatest health crisis in the history of this state for a forecast that was continually wrong then wouldn't you?

namloc1980

With the amount of Garda checkpoints still operating the visible signs of enforced restrictions are still in place.

Snooker Loopy

the kelt wrote: »

Yep, even though we have had an increase in suicide in Ireland apparently global is all that counts. (Also in reality a suicide death can take up to 6 months to be registered as such so we don’t know the full figures yet)

It’s seems the lack of empathy for anything other than COVID knows no bounds.

There is no evidence of a statistically significant increase in suicide in Ireland.

Nice straw man. Painting people as monsters is not an argument, it's a demonstration of a lack of argument.

TomSweeney

Deleted User wrote: »

That's right. Here's what I think will happen in the UK: a few months of new normal freedom, i.e. masks, social distancing, two tests a week, case numbers will rise, which will be the new metric, and then back in lockdown for the winter.

Why would the UK lockdown for the winter when by then they will be pretty much fully vaccinated ?

Snooker Loopy

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, if we were closing down society and locking down for 6 months destroying our economy and causing what will be the greatest health crisis in the history of this state for a forecast that was continually wrong then wouldn't you?

The primary reason we're in the situation we are now is because far too much heed was paid to people like you who demanded society re-open when it wasn't safe to do so.

It's not the only reason, but it's the primary reason.

I hope you're happy, because the situation we've been in since last August happened because of views like yours.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

You don't consider Sam McConkey of being completely and utterly wrong by being out by 116,000 deaths?

And we are supposed to take you seriously.

No where have I claimed to be an expert, far from it...it just doesn't take a genius to see what the data is telling us.

I'd say you couldn't spot a b*lls**t merchant if he was selling you magic beans that will protect you from Covid!!!

It's easy to spot a rise merchant recently signed up to boards however. To even contemplate a discredited spoofer like McConkey as a voice of reason tells you everything you need to know.

the kelt

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

There is no evidence of a statistically significant increase in suicide in Ireland.

Nice straw man. Painting people as monsters is not an argument, it's a demonstration of a lack of argument.

You do remember this post?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116878394&postcount=5175

The post you replied to waffling on about the US had a link that literally says the following "the numbers of suicides last year were higher than previous years"

Does it have to be a significant increase to matter?

niallo27

6 cases out of 7 million of the jnj vaccine. Would they ever **** off. This world we live in is gone soft as ****.

gozunda

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GrahamNeary/status/1381911688606285825

I wonder how far away we are from having the final number of deaths for 2020 - because right now it doesn't look to have been worth all the sacrifices

And as we well know - managing this pandemic is not just about the deaths. Its about keeping the rate of infection down so healthcare services can continue to cope to treat those who do get sick and require specialist medical intervention for covid and its associated illnesses.

But yes also deaths - which in many countries have been kept to a minimum because of restrictions. Other countries have not been so fortunate.

But but 'sacrifices' Whose? Yours? or everyone's who have helped keep down the rate of infection and continue to do so whilst vaccinations are rolled out.

Yeah none of it has been worth it says a few ...

dalyboy

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

That's not scientific illiteracy.

Not even close to it.

It is in fact nothing to do with science at all.

McConkey has certainly been wrong in his predictions as regards numbers - again, prediction of numbers is not science, it's a guesstimate based on particular models of human behaviour - but his warnings about the pandemic have been eerily prescient and I'd be far, far more inclined towards listening to what he has to say than the "this pandemic is bull****" merchants.

Certainly if we had listened to McConkey before Christmas, we would not have had the massive surge in cases and deaths around the Christmas and New Year period which we are still trying to peg back.

However, you, who are presumably heavily endowed with qualifications and expertise in the field of epidemiology, virology, public health etc., are here to tell us that you are more qualified to do McConkey's job than he is, and that his credentials and expertise are worthless.

That's quite hilarious.

The very fact that the "it's only a flu" crowd attack people who say things they don't like as "scientifically illiterate" is a sad reflection on our society and on the type of people who know the square root of sod all about a complicated topic, but whose lack of knowledge will never stop them making massive claims with the total certainty that only the terminally unaware can possess.

I certainly wouldn't claim that people who have said things that were wrong are scientifically illiterate.

I wouldn't class, say, Michael "this pandemic will burn out in three weeks" Levitt as being scientifically illiterate, despite him being pretty much completely and utterly wrong about this pandemic at every step of the way, and despite having no credentials in relevant fields of science or medicine.

Nor Sunetra Gupta, despite her being pretty much completely and utterly wrong about this pandemic every step of the way.

McConkey had the ear of government though and his inaccurate modelling had very damaging exaggerated consequences for Ireland.
These inaccurate modelling numbers have never been admitted and on the contrary mcConkey is never off the media circuit.

If he was a director of a company he’d have been charged with gross misconduct

Snooker Loopy

the kelt wrote: »

You do remember this post?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116878394&postcount=5175

The post you replied to waffling on about the US had a link that literally says the following "the numbers of suicides last year were higher than previous years"

Does it have to be a significant increase to matter?

Yes, it does have to be a statistically significant increase for the point to be valid.

If it's not a statistically significant increase, there is no argument, because figures naturally fluctuate from year to year and will never repeat the exact same number.

facehugger99

niallo27 wrote: »

6 cases out of 7 million of the jnj vaccine. Would they ever **** off. This world we live in is gone soft as ****.

Risk, Cost-Benefits, Logic, Balance.- All scarified to placate social media hysteria.

Embarrassing to see what we have been reduced to.

Leaderless and rudderless.

the kelt

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Yes, it does have to be a statistically significant increase for the point to be valid.

If it's not a statistically significant increase, there is no argument, because figures naturally fluctuate from year to year and will never repeat the exact same number.

I didnt mention anything about "valid points" Dont really care about points

Does it have to be a significant increase to matter?

growleaves

the kelt wrote: »

You do remember this post?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116878394&postcount=5175

The post you replied to waffling on about the US had a link that literally says the following "the numbers of suicides last year were higher than previous years"

Does it have to be a significant increase to matter?

A pro-restrictions poster who works in the Mater said that liver diseases were up 40%, i.e. deaths of despair

Is anyone claiming that being forced into isolation doesn't lead to a rise in anxiety, depression, suicidial thoughts, substance abuse, psychosis?

If overall suicide numbers haven't risen by very much that is good and I'm glad. It can happen sometimes that increased stress brings out people's survival instincts - and this is being studied by psychologists.

That doesn't make the lockdowns neutral or harm-less...

Silentcorner

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The primary reason we're in the situation we are now is because far too much heed was paid to people like you who demanded society re-open when it wasn't safe to do so.

It's not the only reason, but it's the primary reason.

I hope you're happy, because the situation we've been in since last August happened because of views like yours.

I'm very tired of this nonsense...we were getting a winter surge no matter what we did.

The cases were going to increase no matter what we did....

The hospitals were under less pressure than they normally were.

I hope you are happy that we our waiting lists for cancer and heart disease and other serious ailments have doubled to record levels because too many people have succumb to the hysterical media coverage that has allowed charlatans like McConkey free rein on national airwaves....this is going to cost lives.

facehugger99

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The primary reason we're in the situation we are now is because far too much heed was paid to people like you who demanded society re-open when it wasn't safe to do so.
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The primary reason we're in this situation is because of subservient and hysterical fools who've been so willing to trade away our freedoms on the promise of safety.

Bit cynical

London with restrictions relaxed a bit:

francogarbanzo

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The primary reason we're in the situation we are now is because far too much heed was paid to people like you who demanded society re-open when it wasn't safe to do so.

It's not the only reason, but it's the primary reason.

I hope you're happy, because the situation we've been in since last August happened because of views like yours.

Life is unsafe.

Bit cynical

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The primary reason we're in the situation we are now is because far too much heed was paid to people like you who demanded society re-open when it wasn't safe to do so.

We've actually very low death and infection rates at the moment here in Ireland. Have had for some time.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

My apology

I incorrectly remember you saying you live in Northern Ireland

I did, quite a number of years ago.

_Kaiser_

Bit cynical wrote: »

London with restrictions relaxed a bit:

The great thing about that video is how relaxed and comfortable everyone looks, and almost no masks in sight which is even better, which tells us just how little those people are concerned about a virus that is of little to no risk to the overwhelming majority them.

It really is great to see

Snooker Loopy

dalyboy wrote: »

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McConkey had the ear of government though and his inaccurate modelling had very damaging exaggerated consequences for Ireland.
These inaccurate modelling numbers have never been admitted and on the contrary mcConkey is never off the media circuit.

If he was a director of a company he’d have been charged with gross misconduct

In my view it's clear he didn't have the ear of government nearly enough, or at all. If he actually had the ear of government, we wouldn't have ended up in the situation we did, we would be in a much better situation than we are in.

I've never understood this fascination with "so and so predicted such and such case numbers and deaths". It's an attempt to bring a horrible football pundit mindset, a horrible tabloid style "gotcha" mindset to debate. Real lowest common denominator stuff.

The question is not who predicted an accurate number of deaths for a pandemic which still has quite a way to run. This is not fastest finger first on "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire". It's not the Lotto.

The question is which people in the public eye took this pandemic with the seriousness which it merited.

McConkey never sugar coated things and fair play to him for that.

The likes of Levitt, Gupta, Kulldorf, Feely etc. if their predictions were wrong, and they were wrong, many thousands of people, millions, stood to lose their lives and did lose their lives. My father was one. They misled the public. They told the public that this pandemic was not something to worry about.

Were McConkey's predictions wrong - and thankfully we have not (yet) arrived at his worst vistas - nobody suffers, we gain, because his warnings have served to modify public behaviour in a way which reduces virus spread.

But that's nothing to celebrate because the situation we did end up in, while not as bad as his worst vistas, was very bad indeed, as tragically I myself know all too well.

Tipsy McSwagger

Bit cynical wrote: »

London with restrictions relaxed a bit:

Ireland 2023

Snooker Loopy

facehugger99 wrote: »

The primary reason we're in this situation is because of subservient and hysterical fools who've been so willing to trade away our freedoms on the promise of safety.

The only person coming across as hysterical is you, when you come out with such ludicrous hyperbole.

normanoffside

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The great thing about that video is how relaxed and comfortable everyone looks, and almost no masks in sight which is even better, which tells us just how little those people are concerned about a virus that is of little to no risk to the overwhelming majority them.

It really is great to see

Thankfully most people aren't like this.

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1381816767933079555