Another mass shooting in the USA - 10 killed

Melanchthon

banie01 wrote: »

Most of the guns in Mexico are imported illegally.
Funnily enough the majority of them from the US, cash and guns flow south for drugs.

Mexico, despite the ongoing cartel wars has very restrictive gun laws.
There's only 1 gun store in a country of a 130million.
So nope, it wouldn't suddenly turn into Mexico supplying arms to the 2a'rs.

banie01 wrote: »

Nowhere will supply them as easily or as cheaply as the US.
So Mexico would have to dig out a whole new supply chain.
But great way to impugne a whole country there.
Surely the Canadians could just as easily step in?

I get your point that there is gun smuggling from the US into Mexico, and then there is big screw ups like Operation Fast and the Furious (yes really). But go look at some of those Cartel videos, they are rolling around in pickups with heavy machine guns on them, they aren't getting those from the USA. Basically point is they have that much money they are probably getting them from the USA cos it's easiest and if they couldn't they would spend more cash and get them from elsewhere

Tell me how

BattleCorp wrote: »

Read the article. The ban was illegal.

Another way of stating what you said could be 'NRA bragging about forcing authorities to obey the law'. We have had similar cases here where the Gardai/DOJ were making up the law, and they don't have the powers to do that.

i went looking for a more objective take on it other than one from the NRA and one of the articles I read was on the Washington Post.

This section shows just how gun companies operate in an effort to ensure that their products face as little restriction as possible.

Buying a short barrel rifle requires a lengthy background check that could take months that includes fingerprints, a photo, a purchase from a specialized dealer and $200 tax, according to the former agent, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.

But AR-15 pistols aren’t defined as short barrel rifles after gun manufacturers made specific designs to skirt definitions of what makes a rifle a rifle, he said. AR-15 pistols are also deadlier than a typical handgun because they fire more powerful rifle rounds at higher velocity than slower pistol rounds, such as 9 mm bullets.

“It’s treated just like a Glock,” he said. “But it’s not just a Glock.”

This portion stood out for its familiarity once again.

he Colorado State Shooting Association, one of the plaintiffs that sued Boulder over the assault weapons ban, rejected that sentiment, arguing in a statement that “emotional sensationalism” about gun laws would cloud remembrance of the victims.

“There will be a time for the debate on gun laws. There will be a time for the discussion on motives. There will be a time for a conversation on how this could have been prevented,” the group said in a statement. “But today is not the time.”

Yeah, maybe that time was a month ago when you were arguing against gun laws which might have restricted access for this person to a weapon such as this.

ExMachina1000

Update
The shooters name has been released: Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa. A Syrian immigrant who his family say had mental health problems.

Potential ISIS sympathiser or links to as reported by White House.

briany

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Update
The shooters name has been released: Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa. A Syrian immigrant who his family say had mental health problems.

Pretty much a moot statement about anyone who takes it upon themselves to target a bunch of innocent people for slaughter. The only variable is how well they were able to hide their degenerating mental state to friends and family before a rampage.

splashuum

ypres5 wrote: »

Another name incident of far right white nationalist terror in the space of a week. can we have a conversation on it now or will we stay in denial like so many on boards were with the atlanta shooting?

“Far right white terror” - Yet the perp was born in Syria ..

Ha Long Bay

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Update
The shooters name has been released: Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa. A Syrian immigrant who his family say had mental health problems.

Potential ISIS sympathiser or links to as reported by White House.

Can you throw up a link to that? All I can see is a question asked by a journalist during a press conference.


"Q A couple of questions. First, with respect to the Colorado shooting, what can you tell us about the shooter’s motive? There’s been some speculation that there were ISIS ties. Can you confirm or deny that? "

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/03/23/press-gaggle-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-aboard-air-force-one-en-route-columbus-ohio/

bewareofthedog

silverharp wrote: »

a lot of the blue checkmarks are morons, this one's apology shows how biased they are

I don't think all of them are morons, I believe a lot of them know what they're doing and are manipulating people for attention / money. It's the people following their garbage views that are the weak minded morons, people not willing to form opinions for themselves who would rather hop on the self righteous power trip train - even when the facts are presented which proves their theories wrong they still push the falsehoods.

When the shooting happened I went onto twitter / reddit and it was cesspool. "Must be white he was arrested" - they ignore the broader crime statistics and use singularities to mask their reality.

The media have to take a lot of the blame for the culture divide over there, they never will though as it's more profitable for them to have blood on the streets and race tensions.

ypres5

splashuum wrote: »

“Far right white terror” - Yet the perp was born in Syria ..

Arabs are often classed as white in us censuses

ypres5

bewareofthedog wrote: »

I don't think all of them are morons, I believe a lot of them know what they're doing and are manipulating people for attention / money. It's the people following their garbage views that are the weak minded morons, people without the ability to think for themselves and even when the facts are presented which proves their theories wrong they still believe the falsehoods.

When the shooting happened I went onto twitter / reddit and it was cesspool. "Must be white he was arrested" - they ignore the broader crime statistics and use singularities to mask their reality.

The media have to take a lot of the blame for the culture divide over there, they never will though as it's more profitable for them to have blood on the streets and race tensions.

It shouldn't become a question of race or even motivation the main concern is gun control or the lack of it in america

bewareofthedog

ypres5 wrote: »

It shouldn't become a question of race or even motivation the main concern is gun control or the lack of it in america

Your first post on this thread was about race. This is the same method of engagement I explained in my previous post, disingenuous. First it's about race and when it doesn't suit your "far right maga shooter" description it's now suddenly about gun control, which is it?

You don't even see the egg on your face.

the immortals

Tell me how wrote: »

This tweet is just 1 week old.

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/1371885468950917124

And this article is from last April as America started to experience lockdown and the early implications of covid starting to dramatically impact peoples lives.



And this is how one member of the House of Representatives responded to the tragedy yesterday.



Of course, given that this is her Zoom background, that is hardly surprising but you have to wonder what is going on in peoples heads.



And her colleague from another state in which there was a mass shooting is also under no illusion as to where they stand.

https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1374215752383877124

The ironic (batsh*t crazy) thing in the middle of this is that so many gun advocates, such as the two above, scream about the sanctity of the 2nd Amendment to allow people to have guns to allow them to challenge a tyrannical government, and the only time we have seen anything come even close to this in definitely most of our lifetimes, if not in history itself, was on the Jan 6th when militia members, spurred on by many, including these 2 above and the sitting President, sought to carry out an insurrection to prevent the democratic process being carried out.

Conservatives worship at the alter of the founding fathers who lived at a time when the population of the US was 130 times smaller than it is now, when combustible engines and the harnessing of electrical power was not even a thing and when these same fathers still didn't think women or black people should be able to vote not to mind become elected representatives. And yet given all that has changed since then, they refuse to countenance taking steps to help ensure that people are not even kept safe, but have an expectation of being safe when going about their daily business.

When kids as young as 8 and 9 and people on their first day in service industry jobs are being given training on how to deal with active shooters in the same way that people in other countries get manual handling training or are shown where to go to in the event of a fire, there is something very messed up. And if left to Republicans, they will stay this way.

Yeah those Democrats must have going mad when republicans freed their slaves

AbusesToilets

salmocab wrote: »

We all know nothing will happen anyway, people will keep dying and people will make any amount of excuses as to why nothing will work.

If one removed violent crime occurring in black communities, the statistics would look immeasurably better. It's all white supremacy, and loony 2nd right wingers tho, they're the problem.

An "assault weapons" ban will have zero impact on crime rates or firearm related deaths. If one could magically disappear all rifles, would the ~300 fewer deaths a year accomplish anything of note?

jimmycrackcorm

AbusesToilets wrote:

If one removed violent crime occurring in black communities, the statistics would look immeasurably better. It's all white supremacy, and loony 2nd right wingers tho, they're the problem.

If you removed cars from the roads, the stats for vehicular deaths would look better also.

How many mass shootings are by black people vs white? Why is that?

Melanchthon

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

If you removed cars from the roads, the stats for vehicular deaths would look better also.

How many mass shootings are by black people vs white? Why is that?

Doesn't this figure really vary depending on what definition of mass shooting you use?
As in if you strip out mass shootings that are gang/crime related it really changes the figures (though obviously they are all actually mass shootings)

salmocab

AbusesToilets wrote: »

If one removed violent crime occurring in black communities, the statistics would look immeasurably better. It's all white supremacy, and loony 2nd right wingers tho, they're the problem.

An "assault weapons" ban will have zero impact on crime rates or firearm related deaths. If one could magically disappear all rifles, would the ~300 fewer deaths a year accomplish anything of note?

Like I said people will make any amount of excuses why gun control won’t or can’t happen. Firstly 300 less deaths would mean 300 less dead victims of guns but life is now so cheap over there that that is considered nothing of note!
I read so many reasons why it can’t work but it’s pretty much the only country with this issue, laws can be changed even the constitution can be changed that’s what an amendment is anyway. But so long as some morons get to have their guns they really don’t care about people’s lives.

BanditLuke

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Update
The shooters name has been released: Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa. A Syrian immigrant who his family say had mental health problems.

Potential ISIS sympathiser or links to as reported by White House.

You can hear the tears in CNN HQ from here.

Samsonsmasher

salmocab wrote: »

Like I said people will make any amount of excuses why gun control won’t or can’t happen. Firstly 300 less deaths would mean 300 less dead victims of guns but life is now so cheap over there that that is considered nothing of note!
I read so many reasons why it can’t work but it’s pretty much the only country with this issue, laws can be changed even the constitution can be changed that’s what an amendment is anyway. But so long as some morons get to have their guns they really don’t care about people’s lives.

"...shall not be repealed."

The 2A is in an inalienable right. This has gone to court time and time again.
There is nothing "moronic" about the right to bear arms.
Criminals and crazy people do not obey gun laws and do not obey the law prohibiting murder either.
Gun controls or gun bans will only penalize law abiding citizens who have a right to defend themselves from criminals and from the real threat of a tyrannical government.
The 2A wording means that since armed forces are needed by the state to defend itself, the right of the people to bear arms is protected.
Tens of millions of people who have committed no crime own semi automatic rifles like the AR15 and hundreds of millions of people own all kinds of weapons from revolvers to pistols to hunting rifles and shotguns who have never committed a crime.

salmocab

The real threat of a tyrannical government. Would you give over with this nonsense.

alchemist33

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

"...shall not be repealed."

The 2A is in an inalienable right. This has gone to court time and time again.
There is nothing "moronic" about the right to bear arms.
Criminals and crazy people do not obey gun laws and do not obey the law prohibiting murder either.
Gun controls or gun bans will only penalize law abiding citizens who have a right to defend themselves from criminals and from the real threat of a tyrannical government.
The 2A wording means that since armed forces are needed by the state to defend itself, the right of the people to bear arms is protected.
Tens of millions of people who have committed no crime own semi automatic rifles like the AR15 and hundreds of millions of people own all kinds of weapons from revolvers to pistols to hunting rifles and shotguns who have never committed a crime.

People tend to leave out the "well regulated militia" part of the second amendment.

Samsonsmasher

salmocab wrote: »

The real threat of a tyrannical government. Would you give over with this nonsense.

Since WW2 America has been the No.1 military superpower in the world intervening in countries around the world.
Since the 1960s many claim the military industrial complex assassinated President Kennedy.
The war on terrorism the war on drugs and coronavirus has led to the massive expansion of government power.
Last year it was clear that millions of Americans believe their country is racist and tyrannical.

These are all threats to Anerican freedom amd democracy and demonstrate why the 2A is so vital.

salmocab

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Since WW2 America has been the No.1 military superpower in the world intervening in countries around the world.
Since the 1960s many claim the military industrial complex assassinated President Kennedy.
The war on terrorism the war on drugs and coronavirus has led to the massive expansion of government power.
Last year it was clear that millions of Americans believe their country is racist and tyrannical.

These are all threats to Anerican freedom amd democracy and demonstrate why the 2A is so vital.

No that’s all just excuses why people think they need guns. It’s paranoid nonsense.

Trump Derangement Syndrome

As of 2016 there was over 200,000 legally owned firearms in Ireland.

Yet we don't have mass shootings.

If you can show me a video of a gun loading itself and firing at people all on its own I will agree guns are the problem.

Untill then the problem is with the humans im afraid.

Fix the humans.

CtevenSrowder

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Since WW2 America has been the No.1 military superpower in the world intervening in countries around the world.
Since the 1960s many claim the military industrial complex assassinated President Kennedy.
The war on terrorism the war on drugs and coronavirus has led to the massive expansion of government power.
Last year it was clear that millions of Americans believe their country is racist and tyrannical.

These are all threats to Anerican freedom amd democracy and demonstrate why the 2A is so vital.

Yes your AR16 is going to do great against trained, professional soldiers with their F16's, high precision bombs, drones, tanks, nuclear arsenal and the like.

The whole tyrannical government stuff is such guff.

silverharp

salmocab wrote: »

No that’s all just excuses why people think they need guns. It’s paranoid nonsense.

it kept a check on the antifa nutters last year, maybe if they had a well regulated Police Force :pac:

Quantum Erasure

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Since WW2 America has been the No.1 military superpower in the world intervening in countries around the world.
Since the 1960s many claim the military industrial complex assassinated President Kennedy.
The war on terrorism the war on drugs and coronavirus has led to the massive expansion of government power.
Last year it was clear that millions of Americans believe their country is racist and tyrannical.

These are all threats to Anerican freedom amd democracy and demonstrate why the 2A is so vital.

And you think a few rag-tag militia men will do what?

silverharp

bewareofthedog wrote: »

I don't think all of them are morons, I believe a lot of them know what they're doing and are manipulating people for attention / money. It's the people following their garbage views that are the weak minded morons, people not willing to form opinions for themselves who would rather hop on the self righteous power trip train - even when the facts are presented which proves their theories wrong they still push the falsehoods.

When the shooting happened I went onto twitter / reddit and it was cesspool. "Must be white he was arrested" - they ignore the broader crime statistics and use singularities to mask their reality.

The media have to take a lot of the blame for the culture divide over there, they never will though as it's more profitable for them to have blood on the streets and race tensions.

its a grift for sure, at this stage though many of them brainwashed themselves . I believe the tone at CNN was awkward yesterday

ExMachina1000

Trump Derangement Syndrome wrote: »

As of 2016 there was over 200,000 legally owned firearms in Ireland.

Yet we don't have mass shootings.

If you can show me a video of a gun loading itself and firing at people all on its own I will agree guns are the problem.

Untill then the problem is with the humans im afraid.

Fix the humans.

I see people blaming the gun yet not many talking about the shooter.
What a world.

bewareofthedog

salmocab wrote: »

No that’s all just excuses why people think they need guns. It’s paranoid nonsense.

I'm fine with home owners wanting a handgun for protection for their family, many of the 911 calls on youtube reinforce that point for me. I wouldn't go much beyond that though.

Trump Derangement Syndrome

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I see people blaming the gun yet not many talking about the shooter.
What a world.

Common sense is no longer common.

silverharp

there is probably a case for some kind of restriction on gun ownership to >25 years old , a 20 year old doesnt have anything to protect and doesnt have a fully matured brain.