Another mass shooting in the USA - 10 killed

Eric Cartman

WrenBoy wrote: »

Now the question is will the media go with the white supremacist angle and avoid the reported (confirmed?) islam connection or just not report on this at all.

Absolutely this, they’ll call him mr or the suspect, anything to avoid saying ahmed

statesaver

Has anyone said the shooter is ' white adjacent ' yet ?

Billy Mays

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Convicts, mental health issues absolutely should exclude you from gun ownership. There should also be a lower income limit - earn under 30k a year - no dice.

The state of this

Samsonsmasher

salmocab wrote: »

Your right they should continue with the current strategy that is so wildly successful.

Firstly as I stated in another post the right to bear arms is an inalienable right and the 2A is worded so that it literally cannot be repealed by law.

Secondly by pointing out the overwhelming number of guns in private hands I have more than demonstrated that gun control is purely academic.

You cannot close pandora's box or put the genie back in the lamp.

Strumms

Trump Derangement Syndrome wrote: »

Gun ownership is legal here in Ireland.

It’s legal, in certain restrictive circumstances...but you have no right to bear arms. You can in fact do so only having been approved to do so by your local Superintendent who after making the necessary checks, can issue a firearms certificate if they feel it’s appropriate.

olestoepoke

Horrible news, any idea what his motives were?

salmocab

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Firstly as I stated in another post the right to bear arms is an inalienable right and the 2A is worded so that it literally cannot be repealed by law.

Secondly by pointing out the overwhelming number of guns in private hands I have more than demonstrated that gun control is purely academic.

You cannot close pandora's box or put the genie back in the lamp.

Of course they could sort it out, they need to start somewhere even if it takes a hundred years to sort out. Australia managed it in a matter of months. Gun nuts with a fetish is all it is hiding behind the constitution.

Yakov P. Golyadkin

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Absolutely this, they’ll call him mr or the suspect, anything to avoid saying ahmed

The Guardian, RTE, the BBC, CNN, The Independent (UK), have all given his name. The only site that hasn't is The Journal and that appears to be because they haven't updated their story in ten hours.

Go for a walk, it's not healthy to sit around dreaming up such things.

silverharp

Strumms wrote: »

The most restrictive gun laws in the us are in Hawaii....from 2008-2017 they had the lowest gun death rates of all the states per 1000 people.

that's a terrible argument, do you know where has the strictest gun laws in the US? Chicago

Timmy O Toole

olestoepoke wrote: »

Horrible news, any idea what his motives were?

Allah

Tell me how

olestoepoke wrote: »

Horrible news, any idea what his motives were?

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Allah

It was mental health up until his name came out, then it was clear that it was Islamic fundamentalism don't you know.

biko

It could still be mental issues. That is left to find out.
It appears he was born 1999 in Syria and was brought to US in 2002.

Authorities on Tuesday identified the suspect in the shooting deaths of 10 people at a King Soopers grocery store in Boulder as Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, a 21-year-old with a history of violence whose brother said he was deeply disturbed.

Alissa, who is from Arvada, has been charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder for the mass shooting. He was taken into custody after being shot during apprehension.

Ali Aliwi Alissa, the suspect’s 34-year-old brother, told The Daily Beast that authorities searched his house all night after the shooting.

Alissa said his brother was “very anti-social” and paranoid, adding that, in high school, he would describe “being chased, someone is behind him, someone is looking for him.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/boulder-colorado-cops-identify-king-soopers-supermarket-massacre-suspect-as-ahmad-alissa

That seems to be the defence right there.

Manic Moran

Strumms wrote: »

The most restrictive gun laws in the us are in Hawaii....from 2008-2017 they had the lowest gun death rates of all the states per 1000 people.

Probably less suicide, which tends to make up the majority of gun deaths.

When it comes to crime (I.e. against other people), however Vermont has some of the loosest gun laws in the US and routinely ranks as one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country.

https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2020/01/21/vermont-lands-low-spot-list-ranking-most-violent-crimes-united-states/4528625002/

Indeed, when it comes to gun crime, it -is- the lowest state in the country. https://www.laconiadailysun.com/opinion/letters/state-with-virtually-no-guns-laws-vermont-has-lowest-rate-of-violent-crimes/article_84b19942-116b-569e-8084-299bcd2a57cd.html

Samsonsmasher

salmocab wrote: »

Of course they could sort it out, they need to start somewhere even if it takes a hundred years to sort out. Australia managed it in a matter of months. Gun nuts with a fetish is all it is hiding behind the constitution.

Australians handed their guns in after an infamous massacre.

There have been scores amd scores of massacres and Americans have bought more guns and ammo not less.

Good luck with that.

In a tweet today Biden is calling for an end to assault weapons.

There are no definitions of what assault weapons are.

Consider the M16 rifle used by the US military.
It is chambered in 5.56x45 NATO gas operated and uses a 20 or 30 round magazine and can fire in full auto or semi auto. The latest versions have rails to allow attachments of scopes, sights, grips, torches etc and have an adjustible stock.

The civilian AR-15 fires the same round only in semi auto and can be bought with rails for similar attachments.

Remove the adjustable butt stock pistol grip the black plastic furniture and replace it with wood like a traditional hunting rifle and replace the 20 to 30 round magazine with a 10 round magazine and suddenly you no longer have an "assault weapon."

It will be still legal to buy it and nothing to stop a shooter from going into a grocery store and killing a whole bunch of people with it.

BattleCorp

Invidious wrote: »

But those other countries don't have the right to bear arms as a constitutional right. That's the core obstacle. And the US Constitution is notoriously difficult to change.

It's not just one Constitution you'd have to change. Many States also have a Constitution that includes the right to bear arms.

newmember2

banie01 wrote: »

Your analogy is poor.

Drink is an intrinsic part of Irish culture, yes.
Also going by the number of Marches for Mental Health and campaigns, us Irish do crazy well too.

How many mass casualty events have either lead to in the past week?
Drinking oneself to death, or losing a battle to mental health here doesn't equate to walking into a shop or a school and opening fire.
It's a false and frankly nonsense equivalence.

There's been 10mass shooting events in the US in the last 7 days.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

That bears zero, absolutely zero equivalence, cultural, casualty or otherwise to Irish drinking culture.
Or how about mass casualty events in those countries that drink even more than we do?

ah will ya stop...the point being made is that guns are as part of the American psyche/culture as drink is to the Irish. Spouting charts about whatever is pure rubbish.

BattleCorp

Feisar wrote: »

There's something wrong with American's attitude to guns and I say that as a gun lover and owner.

I'm not 100% sure it's the guns. It's their attitude to resorting to any perceived slight with violence. It seems to be the first port of call.

Get dumped - kill your ex
Get in an argument - kill the other person
Get fired - kill your workmates
Have a sex addiction and a religious hang-up - kill massage workers.

Yes, guns are used a lot but why reach for the gun in the first place. You and I have guns, we also (more than likely) have been dumped or got in an argument etc. and we haven't reached for our guns to settle scores.

biko

As much as a gun problem America seems to have a crazy ****ers problem.

Underground

ypres5 wrote: »

Another name incident of far right white nationalist terror in the space of a week. can we have a conversation on it now or will we stay in denial like so many on boards were with the atlanta shooting?

Oopsie daisy.

America is such a kip, why do we try to import and adopt their cultural issues?

Gaoth Laidir

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Irelands drinking culture is a myth. Go to Eastern Europe to see a proper drinking culture

You obviously didn't see the crowds drinking takeaway pints on Paddy's Day. We can't do anything in this country without involving a few pints. It is most definitely a deep part of our culture. Anyone who denies this was one of those with a takeaway pint in each hand the other day.

newmember?

newmember? wrote: »

ah will ya stop...the point being made is that guns are as part of the American psyche/culture as drink is to the Irish. Spouting charts about whatever is pure rubbish.

Down with charts that disprove your position.

Gaoth Laidir

Underground wrote: »

Oopsie daisy.

America is such a kip, why do we try to import and adopt their cultural issues?

And accents and phrases. The takeaway has become takeout, etc. Most of our teenagers speak more like New York than Newbridge.

What a fcuked up and twisted country the US is.

Gaoth Laidir

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

If he turns out to be a white American shooter, it won't be classed as terrorism. That's only for the really bad guys from outside their narrow little world.

I’m pretty sure that’s not true.

biko

Now that we've gone from blaming white men to blaming guns - did you know that Colorado already have some of the strictest gun laws in the US with only 12 states having stricter laws?
Current laws in Colorado include universal background checks, a large capacity magazine ban and a "red flag" law that allows weapons to be temporarily seized from those deemed an extreme risk.
Neither helped those 10 people from being murdered.

BattleCorp

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Don't let every other country in the world with strict gun laws as actual evidence get in the way of that argument or anything.

How do you remove 500+ million guns from circulation? The genie can't be put back into the bottle.

salmocab

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Australians handed their guns in after an infamous massacre.

There have been scores amd scores of massacres and Americans have bought more guns and ammo not less.

Good luck with that.

In a tweet today Biden is calling for an end to assault weapons.

There are no definitions of what assault weapons are.

Consider the M16 rifle used by the US military.
It is chambered in 5.56x45 NATO gas operated and uses a 20 or 30 round magazine and can fire in full auto or semi auto. The latest versions have rails to allow attachments of scopes, sights, grips, torches etc and have an adjustible stock.

The civilian AR-15 fires the same round only in semi auto and can be bought with rails for similar attachments.

Remove the adjustable butt stock pistol grip the black plastic furniture and replace it with wood like a traditional hunting rifle and replace the 20 to 30 round magazine with a 10 round magazine and suddenly you no longer have an "assault weapon."

It will be still legal to buy it and nothing to stop a shooter from going into a grocery store and killing a whole bunch of people with it.

This is all just excuses, something could be done but I’m well aware next to nothing will be done.
It’s always something else, mental health, big government, they could easily define what constitutes an assault weapon if they chose to but there is always someone jumping up and down shouting from my cold dead hands.
Excuses, thoughts and prayers they could stick that on the Statue of Liberty.

BattleCorp

Tell me how wrote: »

The same gun nuts who were the ones who sought to overthrow democracy just 10 weeks ago.

How do you make that out? I thought they used flag poles and fire extinguishers, and not guns?

BattleCorp

votecounts wrote: »

Its savage murders like this that makes me thank god we didn't make gun ownership legal here.

:rolleyes:

Richard Hillman

Strumms wrote: »

The most restrictive gun laws in the us are in Hawaii....from 2008-2017 they had the lowest gun death rates of all the states per 1000 people.

And its an island in the ****hole of nowhere. I

If you try severe gun control in the mainland states and guess where all the guns will come from? It rhymes with Texaco.

banie01

Richard Hillman wrote: »

And its an island in the ****hole of know here. I

If you try severe gun control in the mainland states and guess where all the guns will come from? It rhymes with Texaco.

Most of the guns in Mexico are imported illegally.
Funnily enough the majority of them from the US, cash and guns flow south for drugs.

Mexico, despite the ongoing cartel wars has very restrictive gun laws.
There's only 1 gun store in a country of a 130million.
So nope, it wouldn't suddenly turn into Mexico supplying arms to the 2a'rs.