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What, other than preferential treatment or freedom from the consequences of her own actions, does an Irish woman need feminism to advocate for? She already has a longer life expectancy, better healthcare, better education, better careerTell me how wrote: »We've seen here conversation around women and how it was much worse in the past with the implication that they no longer had anything to advocate for.
Why the focus on the US constitution when we still have a clause in our own that mentions a "woman's place in the home"? I don't suppose it's because that clause benefits women in family law?The equal rights amendment was first proposed in the US in 1923. Nearly 100 years later, it has still to be added to the constitution. It took until 1972 before the senate passed it and it was sent to the states and various shenanigans that have gone since then means that it has still to be ratified. Given the passion which we have seen people in the US defend the constitution and particularly some of the amendments added to it, an amendment legally guaranteeing women as equal status to men not being ratified for 100 years since it was proposed there is still some work to be done there.
If the mens game can provide better facilities for it's players than the womens' that simple economics. It's akin to female models being paid better than male ones.In the next story, March is dedicated to college basketball in the US with the annual March Madness playoff series being held. This past week, the disparity in how women teams are provided for versus mens was shown in stark contrast.
Below is the picture of the weights facilities provide for the mens team, and then the weights facilities provided for the women.
I know some will say, 'It's about money, the men's game creates more' but this is a college tournament played by players who are not paid and colleges should come some bit closer in trying to support women who probably work as hard and for as long as many of the men do.
Personally, I'd be asking the question another way: why are sporting facilities on a college campus segregated by gender? Or asking if that weight room is exclusively for the use of the mens basketball team? It seems a very poor use of funding if so: surely a high-performance weights room should be open to all athletes that represent the institution?
Ah, Turkey, that bastion of human rights. The article states that no reason was given for the withdrawal so hard to know if they can be criticised in this particular regard. Personally, I believe making gendered laws is inherently wrong and open to abuse. Domestic violence is domestic violence whether perpetrated by, or against, a man or a woman. There's no need to bring gender into laws against it unless the laws are only being written and passed to pander to the feminist lobby.Next, Turkey has withdrawn from an international agreement intended to protect women.
Looking at the video in the article you posted, it looks like bad behaviour from a drunk individual but it's certainly on the milder end of what one sees on any night out in our city streets. Certainly a police officer should be held to higher standards but it's a stretch to call this case any signifier of misogyny or sexism against women when men are far more likely to be the victim of an unprovoked assault in the street than women and will likely receive far more serious injuries than the victim in this incident.And in the UK, just 2 weeks after Sarah Everard and the light that was shone on police in light of the vigil which was held in her memory last week, it came out this week that a police officer who attacked a woman when she was walking home at night escaped jail and was fined just 500 pounds and his lawyer argued against him having to do community service because it would be difficult for him. Link to Story
Again an American issue but most would argue it's a bigger indicator of their problems with a lack of gun control rather than sexism. This is country which experiences multiple mass-shooter events per week. A cop saying something stupid in a press conference is barely worth mentioning in the context of their cultural obsession with fireams.Next there was the attack in Atlanta in which 6 asian women were killed and whatever the motivations were because of his own addiction, which his mother said she didn't believe, or because of actions which led to an increase in attacks on asian people over the last year, the police officer leading a press conference the next day was denounced for being too compassionate towards the accused in explaining that he 'had a really bad day, and this happened' rather than calling him out for being the killer he is.
Pure Clickbait. A journalist trying to strengthen her brand by creating a tenuous link to a big story with a false equivalence between her experiences of having to deal with drunken morons as part of her job and that of the victim of horrific murder. There are barstaff the length and breadth of Ireland and the UK that deal with worse on a nightly basis, they just don't have newspaper columns to indulge themselves. Incidentally, if she felt so victimised by these incidents she had the evidence to ensure prosecutions (her video footage). She chose to shrug it off at the time and is only telling the stories now to jump on the victim bandwagon.And finally, the UK based football journalist spoke about her experience in doing her job. Link to story.
That you didn't seek out these stories but happened across them multiple times says more about the echo chamber you've created for yourself on social media than anything else tbh.I didn't go looking for any of these stories, I do pay close attention to current affairs and saw these being mentioned at various times on various platforms. 5 stories, in one week, each of which I think would be uncomfortable reading or all to familiar for the women who would read them.
If you were a woman who came across them in the same way, would you think that there was no more work to be done in terms of advocacy? Would you agree with the people here who suggested the first thing women should do before advocating for anything is thank men for everything they have done for them? Or if a woman looked at these stories and felt that they still weren't being treated equally or as they should be, that they felt this way because of some credo or American ideology?
One other thing to say, as Melissa in her piece pointed out, it is not all men. But, if instead of trying to focus on this point, they would call out others when they see them doing unacceptable stuff. That guy who took his dick out and waved it at her was with 4 others. They didn't do it, but chances are if they didn't tolerate such behavior, he wouldn't feel he could do it and that might bring about less occurrences of such events more so than any article or occasional fine for public indecency or whatever.
P.S. If your response to this is to discount it in saying these stories have nothing to do with Ireland, I will take it you think they are problematic, but you just aren't concerned because they happened somewhere else.
Individual men behaving badly is not evidence of a sexist system. It's evidence that some men are arseholes. Campaign and advocate as much as you like, you're never going to change that. There will always be arseholes (of both genders). As long as the law provides avenues for recourse when those individuals harm another, you have equality (arguably you already have superiority in this regard in Ireland since women can't be charged with certain crimes men can, are less likely to be prosecuted than men and receive more lenient sentences than men when convicted).
TBH, while I'd hope the most likely outcome of feminism in Ireland is the relatively harmless continued waste of (often public) money in the enrichment of professional misandrists and victims in the arts, media, the IWC, academia and the like, I think there's a very real potential for a backlash.
Our society already values women more than men. Mix the media's constant peddling of the feminist mantra "women are victims, men are to blame" to a society where young women have higher educational outcomes and career prospects than their male counterparts, an under-resourced public mental health service (and one that's largely staffed by those who view all problems through the myopic lens of feminism) and I think you're going to find that rather than planting the seeds of some matriarchal feminist utopia, you're instead creating a breeding ground for angry, disaffected young men who'll see women as their enemy.0 -
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Tell me how wrote: »We've seen here conversation around women and how it was much worse in the past with the implication that they no longer had anything to advocate for.
Aside from how this view was countered already on this thread, here are a couple of stories from this week which, if you were a woman, would suggest that it isn't as simple as that.
The equal rights amendment was first proposed in the US in 1923. Nearly 100 years later, it has still to be added to the constitution. It took until 1972 before the senate passed it and it was sent to the states and various shenanigans that have gone since then means that it has still to be ratified. Given the passion which we have seen people in the US defend the constitution and particularly some of the amendments added to it, an amendment legally guaranteeing women as equal status to men not being ratified for 100 years since it was proposed there is still some work to be done there.
In the next story, March is dedicated to college basketball in the US with the annual March Madness playoff series being held. This past week, the disparity in how women teams are provided for versus mens was shown in stark contrast.
Below is the picture of the weights facilities provide for the mens team, and then the weights facilities provided for the women.
I know some will say, 'It's about money, the men's game creates more' but this is a college tournament played by players who are not paid and colleges should come some bit closer in trying to support women who probably work as hard and for as long as many of the men do.
Next, Turkey has withdrawn from an international agreement intended to protect women.
And in the UK, just 2 weeks after Sarah Everard and the light that was shone on police in light of the vigil which was held in her memory last week, it came out this week that a police officer who attacked a woman when she was walking home at night escaped jail and was fined just 500 pounds and his lawyer argued against him having to do community service because it would be difficult for him. Link to Story
Next there was the attack in Atlanta in which 6 asian women were killed and whatever the motivations were because of his own addiction, which his mother said she didn't believe, or because of actions which led to an increase in attacks on asian people over the last year, the police officer leading a press conference the next day was denounced for being too compassionate towards the accused in explaining that he 'had a really bad day, and this happened' rather than calling him out for being the killer he is.
And finally, the UK based football journalist spoke about her experience in doing her job. Link to story.
I didn't go looking for any of these stories, I do pay close attention to current affairs and saw these being mentioned at various times on various platforms. 5 stories, in one week, each of which I think would be uncomfortable reading or all to familiar for the women who would read them.
If you were a woman who came across them in the same way, would you think that there was no more work to be done in terms of advocacy? Would you agree with the people here who suggested the first thing women should do before advocating for anything is thank men for everything they have done for them? Or if a woman looked at these stories and felt that they still weren't being treated equally or as they should be, that they felt this way because of some credo or American ideology?
One other thing to say, as Melissa in her piece pointed out, it is not all men. But, if instead of trying to focus on this point, they would call out others when they see them doing unacceptable stuff. That guy who took his dick out and waved it at her was with 4 others. They didn't do it, but chances are if they didn't tolerate such behavior, he wouldn't feel he could do it and that might bring about less occurrences of such events more so than any article or occasional fine for public indecency or whatever.
P.S. If your response to this is to discount it in saying these stories have nothing to do with Ireland, I will take it you think they are problematic, but you just aren't concerned because they happened somewhere else.
I think this post perfectly sums up one of the biggest problem with feminists and feminism.
None of the above is to do with misogyny, or can be used to justify feminism.- The ERA was killed by feminists. The ERA was about enforcing equality which sounded great, but women ran a mile when they realised the implications. Under the ERA, women would have been eligible for the draft (Vietnam was happening at the time) and would lose their special privileges when it comes to divorce, sentencing etc. Thus they dropped their support and the ERA has just sat at the sidelines ever since. But feminists get to use it as some sort of weapon.
- As for the gym equipment, that is like the ballygobackwards under 10's claiming that it is unfair that their training facilities are not as good as Barcelona's. Sport, by it's vary nature, is a great equaliser. It is when you create "women's leagues" to cater solely for women, that you end up with a vastly inferior league. The amount of money a club has to spend on a team pretty much depends on how much money that team brings in from the public (prize money, attendance, tv rights, merchandise). This is regardless of how much (if anything) the players are paid. It is the public who decides which sports/teams etc they spend money on. The public consists of more women than men. Very few people want to watch league two games, same as very few people want to watch women's games. Generally, when watching sports, people want to watch the best of the best, not some mediocre performance. Stop blaming men for this. Blame women for not spending more money on watching women's sports
- As for Turkey. Firstly Femicide is the most overused, misunderstood term been bandied about. You can almost smell the BS off any article that mentions it. Secondly, everyone knows Erdogan is a cúnt. It's not just that single agreement he pulled out of; there's hundreds of reasons to complain about him. Don't need feminism to do that.
- As for the sentencing story? A feminist journalist, working for a feminist newspaper, writes an article that only quotes feminists, where she doesn't actually give any details of what actually happened (exactly the kind of brutal journalism one expects from feminist journalists), but manages to imply that the problem is misogynism and only feminism has the cure. Your join date and post-count suggest you are very active on boards.ie. Yet you must never visit after hours, or have serious feminist filters applied if you do. It is full of stories of terrible sentencing and judicial decisions much closer to home. Nothing to do with misogyny or needing feminism.
- As for the killing of the sex-workers in the US. Well, look a little closer to home. It is the feminists who persecute sex workers here. If you think sex workers should be treated with basic human rights and dignity, then you have to oppose feminism.
- Finally, the reporter's story? Are you serious? Have you never seen the millions of clips of reporters trying to do a report from some event where people have been drinking? It's got nothing to do with the fact that she is a girl. Nothing to do with misogyny. Nothing that needs feminist. Any intelligent journalist would have ripped that story to pieces.
It is absolutely disgusting that feminists hijack real problems or make up problems and try to use them for their own evil narrative. I think your post (while not intended as such) is a great example of why feminism is so wrong and destructive.0 - The ERA was killed by feminists. The ERA was about enforcing equality which sounded great, but women ran a mile when they realised the implications. Under the ERA, women would have been eligible for the draft (Vietnam was happening at the time) and would lose their special privileges when it comes to divorce, sentencing etc. Thus they dropped their support and the ERA has just sat at the sidelines ever since. But feminists get to use it as some sort of weapon.
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