COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

brickster69

Interesting that the main AZ plant in the EU is still waiting on approval to be able to supply EU countries

https://www.politico.eu/article/breton-no-astrazeneca-jabs-exported-from-netherlands-after-eu-export-controls/


“The Dutch factory, run by subcontractor Halix, is yet to receive EU regulatory approval to supply the region even though it was named in the deal signed between AstraZeneca and the European Commission in August.”


https://www.ft.com/content/8e2e994e-9750-4de1-9cbc-31becd2ae0a8

Wolf359f

brickster69 wrote: »

Interesting that the main AZ plant in the EU is still waiting on approval to be able to supply EU countries

https://www.politico.eu/article/breton-no-astrazeneca-jabs-exported-from-netherlands-after-eu-export-controls/


“The Dutch factory, run by subcontractor Halix, is yet to receive EU regulatory approval to supply the region even though it was named in the deal signed between AstraZeneca and the European Commission in August.”


https://www.ft.com/content/8e2e994e-9750-4de1-9cbc-31becd2ae0a8

I'm not sure what your first link relates to?
Second link hits a paywall.

brickster69

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm not sure what your first link relates to?
Second link hits a paywall.

Well just pay 5 euros for a month.

Wolf359f

brickster69 wrote: »

Well just pay 5 euros for a month.

No thanks lol. You get commission or something?
And the first link's relevance?

brickster69

Basically it says the factory named in the contract is still waiting on EMA approval to make make vaccines in the EU. When was the contract signed ?

brickster69

Wolf359f wrote: »

And the first link's relevance?

Did you read it ?

brickster69

" Some confusion remains over whether the plant is actually producing doses for the EU. It hasn't been approved to make drug substance in the EU, according to the company's conditional marketing authorization from the EMA, updated most recently on February 18. "

The company cannot make vaccines for the EU because they are still waiting on EMA approval to produce them. Might explain the shortfall.

Wolf359f

brickster69 wrote: »

Basically it says the factory named in the contract is still waiting on EMA approval to make make vaccines in the EU. When was the contract signed ?

Gimme a link to the contract and I'll let ya know the date.

brickster69

Wolf359f wrote: »

Gimme a link to the contract and I'll let ya know the date.

August 2020 was it not ?

Wolf359f

brickster69 wrote: »

August 2020 was it not ?

Was a day before the UK, I know that much.
So that contract lists Halix as a production plant?

brickster69

Wolf359f wrote: »

Was a day before the UK, I know that much.
So that contract lists Halix as a production plant?

EU have f#cked up big style. That is why they are running around like headless chickens blaming everyone else.

Wolf359f

brickster69 wrote: »

EU have f#cked up big style. That is why they are running around like headless chickens blaming everyone else.

Well without providing the contracts you're basing your assumptions on.
From reading the only link I could without paying to see it.

Looks like AZ designated a plant in the EU to make the vaccine for the UK.
Once the export licences came in, they stopped shipping to the UK and filed for EMA approval for that plant to be added to the EU production.
Which was not in August 2020 as the export licencing came about in February.

My take on it anyway.

brickster69

Wolf359f wrote: »

Well without providing the contracts you're basing your assumptions on.
From reading the only link I could without paying to see it.

Looks like AZ designated a plant in the EU to make the vaccine for the UK.
Once the export licences came in, they stopped shipping to the UK and filed for EMA approval for that plant to be added to the EU production.
Which was not in August 2020 as the export licencing came about in February.

My take on it anyway.

Yes the Eu factories could produce for the UK because they were part of AZ supply chain. But they could not make vaccines for the EU because they had not been given approval to manufacture vaccines. Well not up until 15 th of Feb that is.

So if they cannot make it how are they going to deliver it ?

Wolf359f

brickster69 wrote: »

Yes the Eu factories could produce for the UK because they were part of AZ supply chain. But they could not make vaccines for the EU because they had not been given approval to manufacture vaccines. Well not up until 15 th of Feb that is.

So if they cannot make it how are they going to deliver it ?

It's 1 factory in the article, not multiple. Is that factory included in the original AZ-EU contract?
You were talking about the contract dated back in August 2020, now you've moved that to 15 Feb. So it's either a delay of 7 months or 1 month?
The EU cannot approve a facility until the facility seeks approval.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0312/1203733-covid-vaccines-latest/

Ah good.

Micky 32

mightyreds wrote: »

Some good news today my aunt who is a HCW and fully vaccinated has had her husband and daughter test positive for covid while she remained negative. Good to see it working.

I could be totally wrong about this but the fact she was negative and no virus detected could mean no transmission. If the vaccine only prevented illness she could have still tested positive even though she wasn’t sick. But like i said i could be wrong.

The Floyd p

Would it not be the case that as the USA has fewer people to vaccine, that they'd eventually start to get the J&J etc exported to the EU? In that case with May/June targeted for USA adults, that could allow us to benefit from excess.

Wolf359f

The Floyd p wrote: »

Would it not be the case that as the USA has fewer people to vaccine, that they'd eventually start to get the J&J etc exported to the EU? In that case with May/June targeted for USA adults, that could allow us to benefit from excess.

The US have administered 98.2 doses, so only 394mil to go.
They are far from finished.

The Floyd p

Wolf359f wrote: »

The US have administered 98.2 doses, so only 394mil to go.
They are far from finished.

Yeah but give it 2/3 months we'll not nearly be finished, but they would have the capacity to overproduce, leading to an excess?

Wolf359f

The Floyd p wrote: »

Yeah but give it 2/3 months we'll not nearly be finished, but they would have the capacity to overproduce, leading to an excess?

2/3 months we'll be in a different position also.
Besides, I don't know about excess vaccines produced in America. Are they belonging to the US government or will they just stop taking deliveries and rescind the export ban. One option leaves companies with contracts to fill, the other means the US can donate vaccines to those most in need.

Melanchthon

Wolf359f wrote: »

2/3 months we'll be in a different position also.
Besides, I don't know about excess vaccines produced in America. Are they belonging to the US government or will they just stop taking deliveries and rescind the export ban. One option leaves companies with contracts to fill, the other means the US can donate vaccines to those most in need.

Politically wouldn't it make sense for Biden to help sort Mexico and Latin America and maybe the Caribbean to keep democratic voters happy and sort Canada out too because of the border?

Wolf359f

Melanchthon wrote: »

Politically wouldn't it make sense for Biden to help sort Mexico and Latin America and maybe the Caribbean to keep democratic voters happy and sort Canada out too because of the border?

That's the $64,000 question. Nice way to mend bridges with ones trump burnt down, however there's a lot more bridges!

May be easier to either donate all to Covax or stop purchasing and allow the companies to send orders to others that have ordered them (remove the export ban)

When sputnik gets approved in the EU, that another thing. Some western countries will see Russia in a different light than the US.
It's going to get all political.

marno21

Wolf359f wrote: »

The US have administered 98.2 doses, so only 394mil to go.
They are far from finished.

Up to 101m doses today with 2.9m done today. They are schooling the rest of the world.

Dressoutlet

Feeling very disheartened the last few days. Its great all these vaccines getting approved and showing efficiency, but that's as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike when we can't get them into the country.
I know all the logistics as why etc but still feel poop. I'm cohort 4 and all the positivity seems to have vanished from me.

is_that_so

marno21 wrote: »

Up to 101m doses today with 2.9m done today. They are schooling the rest of the world.

In distribution yes, in vaccine nationalism not so much. They are sitting on tens of millions of US-manufactured AZ doses, so that they can fire it out quickly if authorized. AZ haven't even applied to the FDA for authorization. Both AZ and J&J have asked them to loan the EU doses. They may also end up not using much AZ anyway.

JacksonHeightsOwn

is_that_so wrote: »

In distribution yes, in vaccine nationalism not so much. They are sitting on tens of millions of US-manufactured AZ doses, so that they can fire it out quickly if authorized. AZ haven't even applied to the FDA for authorization. Both AZ and J&J have asked them to loan the EU doses. They may also end up not using much AZ anyway.

As much as I'd like the yanks to send us a few vials.

If you where Biden, looking at how untrustworthy AZ are with their delivery dates to the EU, would you send over your stock and trust they'd be topped up again? I wouldnt

is_that_so

chrisbonnie wrote: »

As much as I'd like the yanks to send us a few vocals.

If you where Biden, looking at how untrustworthy AZ are with their delivery dates to the EU, would you send over your stock and trust they'd be topped up again? I wouldnt

Yeah, there is debate in the administration about what to do. Politically it's the right call to fulfil the Biden promise of May 1 but morally and ethically they are on a bit of a sticky wicket. It's less about topups as they have the capacity to produce enormous quantities, it's the fear of something shutting down the process.

JacksonHeightsOwn

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, there is debate in the administration about what to do. Politically it's the right call to fulfil the Biden promise of May 1 but morally and ethically they are on a bit of a sticky wicket. It's less about topups as they have the capacity to produce enormous quantities, it's the fear of something shutting down the process.

I hate to admit it, but you need to look after your own house first.... Unfortunately.....

But it seems the EU have naively thought we'd all help each other. Which in all honesty, that was never going to be the case.

Danzy

Wolf359f wrote: »

The US have administered 98.2 doses, so only 394mil to go.
They are far from finished.

No but it looks like their target of May Day for all eligible adults who want it will be hit and quite a good chance of earlier than that.

They are partnering with Australian, India, Japan to accelerate rollout across the world to countries that cannot manage or afford this.

The EU have been asking Biden for a help in this.

Danzy

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I hate to admit it, but you need to look after your own house first.... Unfortunately.....

But it seems the EU have naively thought we'd all help each other. Which in all honesty, that was never going to be the case.

They are helping others less than themselves.

It's like putting on your own oxygen mask first on a plane.