COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

is_that_so

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I hate to admit it, but you need to look after your own house first.... Unfortunately.....

But it seems the EU have naively thought we'd all help each other. Which in all honesty, that was never going to be the case.

Sure, but you're moving away from the grey areas when you're holding onto something you can't or may not use. I'd expect them to largely stick to their plan but they are likely to come under a lot more pressure. The EU approach is sound, the naivete was believing the spoofing of certain vaccine producers, one of which has never manufactured a vaccine before.

JacksonHeightsOwn

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, but you're moving away from the grey areas when you're holding onto something you can't or may not use. I'd expect them to largely stick to their plan but they are likely to come under a lot more pressure. The EU approach is sound, the naivete was believing the spoofing of certain vaccine producers, one of which has never manufactured a vaccine before.

Hasn't stopped the brits from getting it though has it.

Say what you like, whoever did the dealing forg the EU made a dogs dinner of it. It's not even up for debate.

Sweet.Science

Will the AZ being pushed out 12 weeks between doses have an affect from the off ?

Or has ii even been implemented here or just in discussions ?

is_that_so

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Hasn't stopped the brits from getting it though has it.

Say what you like, whoever did the dealing the EU made a dogs dinner of it. It's not even up for debate.

It's approved in Britain and they are a smaller market. The EU have no control over what AZ do, a company that have made a mess of the process right from the clinical trials. If I could take one hindsight moment I'd say to the EU stay away from AZ, as it will do you no good.

Danzy

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, but you're moving away from the grey areas when you're holding onto something you can't or may not use. I'd expect them to largely stick to their plan but they are likely to come under a lot more pressure. The EU approach is sound, the naivete was believing the spoofing of certain vaccine producers, one of which has never manufactured a vaccine before.

The EU approach is sound, it's just way behind in vaccinating it's own and going to take vaccines off poor countries that the Brits and yanks are planning to offload when they are finished in May.

While other major economies are vaccinating their way out of a spring wave, major economies in the EU are extending lockdowns and seeing cases rise.

There is no shame in getting results, planning diligently. No shame in being eager to get the job done.

Danzy

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Hasn't stopped the brits from getting it though has it.

Say what you like, whoever did the dealing forg the EU made a dogs dinner of it. It's not even up for debate.

It seems it is up for debate though and people like Guy Verhofstadt are running down the EU rollout because they must be Brexiteers etc.

is_that_so

Danzy wrote: »

The EU approach is sound, it's just way behind in vaccinating it's own and going to take vaccines off poor countries that the Brits and yanks are planning to offload when they are finished in May.

While other major economies are vaccinating their way out of a spring wave, major economies in the EU are extending lockdowns and seeing cases rise.

There is no shame in getting results, planning diligently. No shame in being eager to get the job done.

In the US case it will be allowing the release of vaccines for export. I don't see Boris lending a hand at all until well into summer for all the promising he's doing. I think you'll see the EU start to move some of the allocations to other countries and COVAX once the volumes begin to flow in a big way.

JTMan

Interesting NY Times report here entitled "Biden Takes First Tentative Steps to Address Global Vaccine Shortage".

- Biden under pressure to play catch-up on “vaccine diplomacy”.
- US partnering with Japan, India and Australia to expand global vaccine manufacturing capacity.
- Biden administration committed to providing financial support to help Biological E, a major vaccine manufacturer in India, produce at least 1 billion doses.
- The United States has fallen far behind China, India and Russia in the race to marshal coronavirus vaccines as an instrument of diplomacy. China and Russia are using vaccines to expand their spheres of influence.
- Biden facing accusations of vaccine hoarding but Biden will not lift export ban right now. But Biden said “If we have a surplus, we’re going to share it with the rest of the world,”.
- Biden to authorise purchase of 100 million more J&J shots.

Sounds like the US will share surplus vaccines and lift the export ban when the time is right (May perhaps?). Hopefully the EU are playing vaccine diplomacy behind the scenes to prepare for this.

giveitholly

If the Russian government vaccine is approved by the EMA,roughly when will it be approved and if Ireland use it when do we expect deliveries of this vaccine

Danzy

giveitholly wrote: »

If the Russian government vaccine is approved by the EMA,roughly when will it be approved and if Ireland use it when do we expect deliveries of this vaccine

As soon as the man making it comes back from his holidays, production will resume.

The Volume they produce is small, it needs to be made in factories across the world.

Think it won't be a meaningful one in much of the world.

stephenjmcd

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Will the AZ being pushed out 12 weeks between doses have an affect from the off ?

Or has ii even been implemented here or just in discussions ?

It's already been 12 weeks here for a while. No difference

Ted_YNWA

Mod

Can we keep all the AZ discussion to the dedicated thread.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058153426

Pete_Cavan

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Hasn't stopped the brits from getting it though has it.

Say what you like, whoever did the dealing forg the EU made a dogs dinner of it. It's not even up for debate.

Pretty sure that the EU has received similar numbers of doses from AZ as the UK, its just the EU order is much bigger. The problem is that AZ over-committed and can't produce what they signed up to.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Danzy wrote: »

As soon as the man making it comes back from his holidays, production will resume.

The Volume they produce is small, it needs to be made in factories across the world.

Think it won't be a meaningful one in much of the world.

That's a ridiculously xenophobic post.

"when the guy comes back from his holidays"

That's typical Western snobbyness on your part there.

What makes you think the Russians can't produce something decent and on a large scale. Because of what the British or Americans tell you??

mandrake04

JTMan wrote: »

Interesting NY Times report here entitled "Biden Takes First Tentative Steps to Address Global Vaccine Shortage".

- Biden under pressure to play catch-up on “vaccine diplomacy”.
- US partnering with Japan, India and Australia to expand global vaccine manufacturing capacity.
- Biden administration committed to providing financial support to help Biological E, a major vaccine manufacturer in India, produce at least 1 billion doses.
- The United States has fallen far behind China, India and Russia in the race to marshal coronavirus vaccines as an instrument of diplomacy. China and Russia are using vaccines to expand their spheres of influence.
- Biden facing accusations of vaccine hoarding but Biden will not lift export ban right now. But Biden said “If we have a surplus, we’re going to share it with the rest of the world,”.
- Biden to authorise purchase of 100 million more J&J shots.

Sounds like the US will share surplus vaccines and lift the export ban when the time is right (May perhaps?). Hopefully the EU are playing vaccine diplomacy behind the scenes to prepare for this.

Biden wont want China to supply pacific Islands like Indonesia and the Philippines and other developing nations with vaccines, China is already trying to influence and expand in the region so it makes political sense to throw American and western vaccines there first.

Sanjuro

mandrake04 wrote: »

Biden wont want China to supply pacific Islands like Indonesia and the Philippines and other developing nations with vaccines, China is already trying to influence and expand in the region so it makes political sense to throw American and western vaccines there first.

After the fiasco that was the trump presidency, it would seem like a no brainer that the US could salvage some of their international reputation by taking the lead in an international vaccine program. I wouldn't be overly confident in it happening, however, as I think the problems with US international policy and leadership goes back way before the last administration.

Graces7

Melanchthon wrote: »

Politically wouldn't it make sense for Biden to help sort Mexico and Latin America and maybe the Caribbean to keep democratic voters happy and sort Canada out too because of the border?

I have family in Canada, near the border, and not a hint of any vaccine there yet; also it is going to be mandatory there.

mandrake04

Sanjuro wrote: »

After the fiasco that was the trump presidency, it would seem like a no brainer that the US could salvage some of their international reputation by taking the lead in an international vaccine program. I wouldn't be overly confident in it happening, however, as I think the problems with US international policy and leadership goes back way before the last administration.

US just has to supply the vaccines and a bit of clout with the suppliers, other nations will do the rest.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/australia-joins-us-vaccine-push-to-show-china-isn-t-only-game-in-town-20210306-p578c6.html

iamwhoiam

Graces7 wrote: »

I have family in Canada, near the border, and not a hint of any vaccine there yet; also it is going to be mandatory there.

British Columbia have almost finished phase 1 and are moving to phase 2 now


https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/plan#update



http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/bcs-plan-for-vaccine-distributi



Its is also not mandatory

Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry seemed to agree with that assessment Wednesday.

“We have no mandatory immunization programs in this country and in this province, and we do not expect COVID immunization will be mandatory either,” she said during a news conference.

That’s true even at high-risk workplaces like hospitals and long-term care facilities, Henry said.

Sanjuro

mandrake04 wrote: »

US just has to supply the vaccines and a bit of clout with the suppliers, other nations will do the rest.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/australia-joins-us-vaccine-push-to-show-china-isn-t-only-game-in-town-20210306-p578c6.html

Interesting. Really hope they do have a significant impact on rollout.

Klonker

Sanjuro wrote: »

Interesting. Really hope they do have a significant impact on rollout.

It would help if they didn't stockpile a vaccine that hasn't even been approved yet there and that they'll probably never even use. I can't believe there's not more outrage about this. They're stockpiling AZ vaccines as a back UK plan, at least the UK are using all the vaccines they are getting.

ACitizenErased

Don’t expect the US to start sending overnight. The EMA would have to approve the factories. And going by how long they’re taking to approve the SII in India it’ll be a while.

Sweet.Science

Klonker wrote: »

It would help if they didn't stockpile a vaccine that hasn't even been approved yet there and that they'll probably never even use. I can't believe there's not more outrage about this. They're stockpiling AZ vaccines as a back UK plan, at least the UK are using all the vaccines they are getting.

It's no Trump doing it and Biden quoted James Joyce sure .

Van.Bosch

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don’t expect the US to start sending overnight. The EMA would have to approve the factories. And going by how long they’re taking to approve the SII in India it’ll be a while.

If I was AZ I would spin that angle, we can’t supply you because you havnt approved our factory.

mick087

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Hasn't stopped the brits from getting it though has it.

Say what you like, whoever did the dealing forg the EU made a dogs dinner of it. It's not even up for debate.

The EU commission took the responsibility for accruing the vaccine for us its citizens within the EU

With this responsibility the EU commission should be accountable to us its citizens.

You have to decide yourself if you feel they have been done a good job or not.

Also you have to ask yourself if Ireland had went out on its own would we be worse or better off in accruing the vaccine. Hindsight is great but not helpful

mick087

chrisbonnie wrote: »

That's a ridiculously xenophobic post.

"when the guy comes back from his holidays"

That's typical Western snobbyness on your part there.

What makes you think the Russians can't produce something decent and on a large scale. Because of what the British or Americans tell you??

The Russian vaccine may well be fantastic excellent but will be very political and the scare mongers will revel in that.

Europe Asia Americas im sure all have excellent outstanding scientists, they don't run what happens after the have found discovered a vaccine.

Van.Bosch

Van.Bosch wrote: »

If I was AZ I would spin that angle, we can’t supply you because you havnt approved our factory.

The Maryland facility in the US was included in the original approval

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-epar-product-information_en.pdf

ACitizenErased

Big improvements in Israel lately. There is less than 1000 in hospital there now.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1370718776199630850?s=21

Qrt

Fully aware every one person vaccinated is a step in the right direction, but can someone please explain why Boots floor staff (i.e. not on the pharmacy) are getting vaccinated but we still have all the vulnerable groups to burn through? I work in a supermarket, I do quite literally the same job as a regular Boots staff member in a much, much busier environment, yet I’m nearly at the bottom of the groupings...

Sanjuro

Qrt wrote: »

Fully aware every one person vaccinated is a step in the right direction, but can someone please explain why Boots floor staff (i.e. not on the pharmacy) are getting vaccinated but we still have all the vulnerable groups to burn through? I work in a supermarket, I do quite literally the same job as a regular Boots staff member in a much, much busier environment, yet I’m nearly at the bottom of the groupings...

Probably down to a higher degree of interaction with sick people.