COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

titan18

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Biden has already said no way to exporting

I was reading that's he getting pressure from some of his own officials to allow it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/542874-us-officials-debating-sending-millions-of-astrazeneca-doses-awaiting

So hopefully they might change opinion.

Theboinkmaster

goingnowhere wrote: »

Someone said on the Internet

Pfizer did vaccinate a significant number of its staff based in Ireland out of its own stocks as part of its business continuity plans.

Well they do have a massive manufacturing facility in Grange Castle so would not be surprised.

What's your point though? Just because it's made here doesn't mean anything in terms of customer contracts etc.

astrofool

Deathofcool wrote: »

Sweden have updated their vaccine delivery forecast today. Details can be found here https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/vaccination-mot-covid-19/statistik/prognos-av-vaccinleveranser/

According to David Higgins we can adjust for our population by dividing by two so rough projections are attached.

Any idea why the May/June numbers for AZ drop? Less being ordered, or just not updated this far ahead?

Rebelbrowser

Deathofcool wrote: »

Sweden have updated their vaccine delivery forecast today. Details can be found here https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/vaccination-mot-covid-19/statistik/prognos-av-vaccinleveranser/

According to David Higgins we can adjust for our population by dividing by two so rough projections are attached.

Glad to see so much in the summer will still be Pfizer (and Moderna). From the evidence so far, the more Pfizer the better. I still think its possible the UK will be in a worse position than EU countries by years end because AZ will prove not to be as good with variants / not as good at stopping transmission / not as long lasting as Pfizer.

Deathofcool

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That takes us to almost exactly 1.2 million by end of this quarter, right?

Takes us to 1121625 for end of quarter. Given current AZ reports we might be closer to 1.1 than 1.2

jackryan34

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Glad to see so much in the summer will still be Pfizer (and Moderna). From the evidence so far, the more Pfizer the better. I still think its possible the UK will be in a worse position than EU countries by years end because AZ will prove not to be as good with variants / not as good at stopping transmission / not as long lasting as Pfizer.

UK data is suggesting that is the opposite

AZ better at keeping you out of hospital

Deathofcool

astrofool wrote: »

Any idea why the May/June numbers for AZ drop? Less being ordered, or just not updated this far ahead?

Not sure but might be factoring in today's AZ news. Don't think any of us would be surprised to see these further revised upwards or downwards next Friday.

mick087

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

AZ will prove not to be as good with variants / not as good at stopping transmission / not as long lasting as Pfizer.

Stop scaremongering they are all excellent vaccines.

trellheim

What's your point though? Just because it's made here doesn't mean anything in terms of customer contracts etc.

the context was of the EU imposing an export ban to the UK, just as Italy just did.

Wolf359f

Wolf359f wrote: »

I believe the majority of jabs so far in the UK have been Pfizer.

Deeper Blue wrote: »

They've used mostly AstraZeneca as far as I know, and very few Pfizer so far.

Just going by the Scottish slide Nicola Sturgeon showed weeks ago, adjusted to equal distribution throughout the UK, up to the end of Jan, the end of 2020, the UK received 5.7mil Pfizer, in Jan 2021 that was 3mil. Then we have the 8mil from Feb that has been leaked or announced
Total to the end of Feb: 16.7mil
So 16.7mil out of a total of ~24mil, would make it the most common vaccine in the UK (that's ignoring any Pfizer used so far in March)

Pete_Cavan

goingnowhere wrote: »

Pfizer did vaccinate a significant number of its staff based in Ireland out of its own stocks as part of its business continuity plans.

That's interesting. Do we know how many Pfizer staff here have been/will be vaccinated by the company? The same might happen with J&J also. Could we be looking at ~1,000 people being vaccinated outside the national programme? Every person vaccinated by their company means less vaccines required for the HSE and also hopefully breaks the chain of infections and contribute to slowing the spread.

spakman

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Well they do have a massive manufacturing facility in Grange Castle so would not be surprised.

What's your point though? Just because it's made here doesn't mean anything in terms of customer contracts etc.

They are not manufacturing vaccine in Grange Castle or anywhere else in Ireland.

Turtwig

Not where we want to be but if you had told me by the end of Q1 2021 we'd have 1 million doses of vaccines administered in Ireland I'd have been over the moon with that. We also have antibodies and steroid treatments that reduce death. I keep focusing on those rather than the sh1tstream that is our media basking in negative news cycle after negative news cycle.

eoinbn

astrofool wrote: »

Any idea why the May/June numbers for AZ drop? Less being ordered, or just not updated this far ahead?

A March delivery is been pushed into April so April is inflated.
600k doses of Curevac in June would be a nice bonus. Interestingly they are only delivering 500k for the following 3 months. That would suggest they are already producing in decent volumes.
Pfizer/BioNtech being 500k/700k/900k is within the ballpark of what is expected.

RavenBea17b

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I completely agree, have you any issues with what the poster I was responding to was saying? You do realise I was holding up a mirror to them?



I feel I have done enough off topic posting in this otherwise excellent thread for now, apologies mods & all, if someone sees fit to remove I have no objections.

Sorry, no, it was a snap reaction, plus yes, I do not agree with the original poster, in hindsight, I should have included their comment to your response.

Yes, lets move on.

trellheim

They are not manufacturing vaccine in Grange Castle or anywhere else in Ireland.

Thats not what I asked. Is Pfizer vaccine leaving Ireland for the UK

Rebelbrowser

mick087 wrote: »

Stop scaremongering they are all excellent vaccines.

Eh, stop selectively quoting if you don't mind. You cut out the words "I still think its possible that " from my sentence to completely alter its tone.

mick087

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Eh, stop selectively quoting if you don't mind. You cut out the words "I still think its possible that " from my sentence to completely alter its tone.

STOP SCAREMONGERING THEY ARE ALL GOOD VACCINES.

astrofool

trellheim wrote: »

Thats not what I asked. Is Pfizer vaccine leaving Ireland for the UK

No.

Rebelbrowser

mick087 wrote: »

STOP SCAREMONGERING THEY ARE ALL GOOD VACCINES.

Oh you capitalised it now. That makes it far more authoritative. Go you!

I wasn't scaremongering. I have thousands of posts on boards.ie and they tend to be very optimistic about most things- including covid. So that is simply not my style.

I expressed a view which may or may not prove correct. Plenty data to back up or contradict my views at the moment . Time will tell. For now I stand by my view that Pfizer looks the better vaccine.

None of which explains or justifies you selectively editing my quote.

Anyway, moving on....

mick087

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Oh you capitalised it now. That makes it far more authoritative. Go you!

I wasn't scaremongering. I have thousands of posts on boards.ie and they tend to be very optimistic about most things- including covid. So that is simply not my style.

I expressed a view which may or may not prove correct. Plenty data to back up or contradict my views at the moment . Time will tell. For now I stand by my view that Pfizer looks the better vaccine.

None of which explains or justifies you selectively editing my quote.

Anyway, moving on....

Scaremongering and now vaccine nationalism please stop these are all excellent vaccines.

Rebelbrowser

mick087 wrote: »

Scaremongering and now vaccine nationalism please stop these are all excellent vaccines.

Vaccine nationalism? There is no mention of any nation, country, or other geographic area in my post that you just quoted.

Belatedly realising you are a WUM. Will not be engaging further. Goodbye.

RavenBea17b

All,
Does anyone have a link/source that looks at each countries geo sequence for covid variant, capabilities, current rate of sequencing, plus plan to increase variant awareness, so adjusting vaccines etc.

I know that Denmark carries out a large percentage of checks per positives, UK too.

I think the last figure I saw mentioned for USA was something like 2.5 -3% with an aim to get to 6%.

I guess it everywhere will be ramping up. How much is carried out in Ireland do we know ?
With the first Danish variant (in mink) then Kent, South Africa, Brasil, Californian, NYC etc, it will be important step in developing adjusting testing and vaccines.

Kerry25x

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

That's interesting. Do we know how many Pfizer staff here have been/will be vaccinated by the company? The same might happen with J&J also. Could we be looking at ~1,000 people being vaccinated outside the national programme? Every person vaccinated by their company means less vaccines required for the HSE and also hopefully breaks the chain of infections and contribute to slowing the spread.

They employ 4000 people in Ireland according to their website. My friend works as an electrician for Pfizer and got vaccinated around the end of January.

hynesie08

The granny got called up a couple of hours early for her first dose. She's like a kid at Christmas, even busted out the good cardigan. Gonna be a huge relief when she is done.

harr

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

That's interesting. Do we know how many Pfizer staff here have been/will be vaccinated by the company? The same might happen with J&J also. Could we be looking at ~1,000 people being vaccinated outside the national programme? Every person vaccinated by their company means less vaccines required for the HSE and also hopefully breaks the chain of infections and contribute to slowing the spread.

All Pfizer staff in Ireland have been vaccinated , not sure of exact numbers but I know I good few personally who got it in work . Apart from the vaccine Pfizer would manufacture a large number of important medicines here in Ireland so I presume they were deemed essential medical workers in the grand scheme of things.
Also some Pfizer plants in Ireland only manufacture tablets or capsules and wouldn’t have the ability to produce vaccines or have the staff trained to do so.
For a plant to change over to producing liquid medication would be a huge set up and a change over like could possibly take years .

trellheim

Thats not what I asked. Is Pfizer vaccine leaving Ireland for the UK

So Grangecastle isnt shipping out Vaccine to the UK after its QA'd in Grangecastle then, against all the news articles saying it is ?

hynesie08

trellheim wrote: »

So Grangecastle isnt shipping out Vaccine to the UK after its QA'd in Grangecastle then, against all the news articles saying it is ?

What news article? You said "someone on the internet said"

DaSilva

RavenBea17b wrote: »

All,
Does anyone have a link/source that looks at each countries geo sequence for covid variant, capabilities, current rate of sequencing, plus plan to increase variant awareness, so adjusting vaccines etc.

I know that Denmark carries out a large percentage of checks per positives, UK too.

I think the last figure I saw mentioned for USA was something like 2.5 -3% with an aim to get to 6%.

I guess it everywhere will be ramping up. How much is carried out in Ireland do we know ?
With the first Danish variant (in mink) then Kent, South Africa, Brasil, Californian, NYC etc, it will be important step in developing adjusting testing and vaccines.

I don't know a site which highlights those specifically, but you can infer a lot of that information from this site: https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global though it is fairly technical.
You can see all the isolates in the main graph, and you can filter or colour them by region or country. You can also filter to certain mutations like the infamous E484K by using the filter like this https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global?gt=S.484K


Here is another version specific to Ireland:
https://www.gisaid.org/phylodynamics/ireland/

Pete_Cavan

Kerry25x wrote: »

They employ 4000 people in Ireland according to their website. My friend works as an electrician for Pfizer and got vaccinated around the end of January.

That's not an insignificant number if all are vaccined outside the national programme, though obviously it only reduces the timeline for full vaccination by a few hours. If those people aren't transmitting the virus, as data suggests, it is a help. Hopefully J&J do the same.