COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

NY Times reporting 30m AZ doses are ready in the US pending approval

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-astrazeneca-united-states.html

average_runner

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

What does that have to do with EU membership? If they were in the UK they probably would have died of covid already.

That is a disgraceful thing to say.

average_runner

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

there are many people better read than me who can explain the vaccine situation to you. However, I know plenty about what being in the EU means to Ireland.

This pandemic is temporary, the EU will be there long after the pandemic goes away, do you honestly think *this is enough to throw away 40+ years of progress & prosperity?


*whatever this is


Again, yourself and the other 5 Irexiters (that aren't UK based) can go away with this nonsense. You are peddling bullshit.

Would i vote for us to leave the EU right now, no, but we do need to understand why they f*ck this up so badly.


EU is a disgrace on this side of things.

Tacitus Kilgore

average_runner wrote: »

That is a disgraceful thing to say.

As is trying to use vaccine procurement / mental health as a reason to push an agenda for leaving the EU.


Your posting is disingenuous and can be seen right through.

Godot.

average_runner wrote: »

Right now we are weak compare to the UK in the battle against Covid and you can't deny that.


Its costing more lives this delay, especially in the mental health area.

The UK are being very cautious with their re-opening though. Get the over 65s/70s/people with underlying conditions out of the way and open up the whole shebang, I say. Especially with the warmer seasonal weather coming reducing infections.

I have no doubt France/Spain will do that.

average_runner

average_runner wrote: »

Would i vote for us to leave the EU right now, no, but we do need to understand why they f*ck this up so badly.


EU is a disgrace on this side of things.

Yesterday you were peddling the latest Swiss deal with Pfizer as evidence of the EU f*uck up, when that deal doesn't even catch them up to the deals the EU have already secured for us with Pfizer. Its like every single news item is a opportunity to blast the EU, irrespective of the facts of the situation

ek motor

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Weak compared to the UK?

The UK is well on the way to becoming a failed state while most of the EU has barely noticed, such is the UK's 'strength'.

Yeah, lets copy that......

How is it on it's way to becoming a 'failed state's?

Tacitus Kilgore

ek motor wrote: »

How is it on it's way to becoming a 'failed state's?

There's 19 lots of threads on how over in the politics forum, go there and have a read/chat.

This thread is about vaccines, not for trying to get people to come around to the idea of Irexit due to some weird vaccine-nationalism.

funnydoggy

Someone give me some good news, please. Wobble day, especially after what Philip Nolan said this morning.

is_that_so

funnydoggy wrote: »

Someone give me some good news, please. Wobble day, especially after what Philip Nolan said this morning.

Hospital numbers continue to decline quite steadily and could be in the 200s next week with ICU below 70. By April 5th we may have very low numbers.

Probes

average_runner wrote: »

Well i know of 4 people since the new year that started that have died due to mental health
And one life is too much to lose

This is a very sensitive area and obviously that's awful, but I feel like we need some qualification on how you're categorising these deaths because that is an extremely high number and if it were at all normal factor during this pandemic then we would be have a barrage of deaths far, far higher than those of Covid. It would be in the news everywhere because we would be talking about tens of thousands of people.

Van.Bosch

AZ has cut Q1 delivery again to 30mln as per Richard Chambers!

Crunchie77

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1370325365546176512?s=21


Does this change things much for us? Revised to 30 million in March and 20 million in April so I’m assuming that means 550k doses for us over those two months?

leahyl

funnydoggy wrote: »

Someone give me some good news, please. Wobble day, especially after what Philip Nolan said this morning.

Why? I didn't think he was overly negative with what he said.

leahyl

Van.Bosch wrote: »

AZ has cut Q1 delivery again to 30mln as per Richard Chambers!

They're taking the proverbial now

stephenjmcd

Crunchie77 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1370325365546176512?s=21


Does this change things much for us? Revised to 30 million in March and 20 million in April so I’m assuming that means 550k doses for us over those two months?

Doesn't look to change much to be honest. Latest reports were around 300k into country by end of month. Our Q2 projections the gov already knocked 60% off the number AZ gave them given the experience to date, so we built in hefty cuts already

Cork2021

Good thread here!

https://twitter.com/mark_toshner/status/1370129206416379905?s=21

is_that_so

leahyl wrote: »

Why? I didn't think he was overly negative with what he said.

10 weeks plus 10 weeks is 5 months - a disheartening length of time. We await to see what form that will take, from our political leaders.

leahyl

leahyl wrote: »

They're taking the proverbial now

I'm presuming their plan to address the shortfall was to use Indian production, guessing EMA clearance for that will take more time.

stephenjmcd

What is interesting about those reports is AZ reckon they can deliver 20m in April... we'll see

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Doesn't look to change much to be honest. Latest reports were around 300k into country by end of month. Our Q2 projections the gov already knocked 60% off the number AZ gave them given the experience to date, so we built in hefty cuts already

It's now become a credibility issue and theirs is sinking fast. Chances of EU taking up more AZ options are now zero.

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

It's now become a credibility issue and theirs is sinking fast. Chances of EU taking up more AZ options are now zero.

I'm just glad that the gov here had the foresight to plan with 60% less than what AZ were telling them

brickster69

That will probably put another couple of million doses in the fridges, just as the third wave rips through parts of Europe. Bravo !

https://twitter.com/viola_bru/status/1370316335306145793

seamus

is_that_so wrote: »

10 weeks plus 10 weeks is 5 months - a disheartening length of time. We await to see what form that will take, from our political leaders.

Yeah, but he wasn't saying "we're going to stay locked down for another ten weeks".

It was a reflection on the fact that we are currently in week 10 of 2021. And while it feels like things are moving slowly, things have changed a LOT in the last 10 weeks. And in 10 weeks time everything will also look very different; all of the vulnerable will be vaccinated.

And 10 week after that it will look very different again - a majority of the population will be vaccinated.

So he was re-iterating the "hold firm" message. We are approaching the finish line, the longest and hardest parts of our response to the pandemic, are over.

That is, provided people just continue to stick to the public health advice and don't blow it at the last minute.

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm just glad that the gov here had the foresight to plan with 60% less than what AZ were telling them

Yeah, I really don't think they trust them at all now even after they open boxes and count actual vaccines!

Melanchthon

leahyl wrote: »

They're taking the proverbial now

It would be interesting to know how production is going across the Astra Zeneca sites.
It seems clear the EU based plants are still having issues.
It does seem like the Serum Institute is producing well.

This isn't that suprising really as it normally does take ages to set up these type of plants and the Serum Institute was already doing similar things (for example Moderna has had similar problems but has also been more upfront about issues).

What's absent is anything about the UK Astra Zeneca production, we know vaccination numbers dipped in the UK last week or two, we know the UK has 10 million doses coming from the Serum Institute, so would it be safe to say that all the new plants are having issues?

Micky 32

funnydoggy wrote: »

Someone give me some good news, please. Wobble day, especially after what Philip Nolan said this morning.

What did he say?

is_that_so

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, but he wasn't saying "we're going to stay locked down for another ten weeks".

It was a reflection on the fact that we are currently in week 10 of 2021. And while it feels like things are moving slowly, things have changed a LOT in the last 10 weeks. And in 10 weeks time everything will also look very different; all of the vulnerable will be vaccinated.

And 10 week after that it will look very different again - a majority of the population will be vaccinated.

So he was re-iterating the "hold firm" message. We are approaching the finish line, the longest and hardest parts of our response to the pandemic, are over.

That is, provided people just continue to stick to the public health advice and don't blow it at the last minute.

It's the mix with the current government nothing till May message and an apparent lack of a plan that gives it a more negative slant. That's not his fault and he is just making an observation but there's really no great leap to connect the two and it's a more likely conclusion for people.

RavenBea17b

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

What does that have to do with EU membership? If they were in the UK they probably would have died of covid already.

Disgusting and vile thing to say - if they in UK probably die of Covid'.
Every country has suffered.

Would you say the same thing about any other country ?

Russman

Is is just me or does the EU have a big shortfall in vaccine producing capacity within the bloc ? I know the Marburg plant is coming on line, but it just seems that we're way too reliant on items outside the bloc and outside our control. Were all our eggs effectively really in the Sanofi basket ?