COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

josip

funnydoggy wrote: »

Someone give me some good news, please. Wobble day, especially after what Philip Nolan said this morning.

Portugal will start easing restrictions from next week.

Portugal’s government announced it would start to gradually ease its strict rules from next week, Reuters reports, nearly two months into a lockdown imposed in mid-January to tackle what was then the world’s worst coronavirus surge.
Kindergartens, pre-schools and primary schools will reopen on Monday, as well as hair salons and book shops, Prime Minister Antonio
Costa told a news conference, adding restaurants will only be allowed to open their doors in May.

As will Wales

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/12/wales-set-to-ease-covid-lockdown-restrictions-from-saturday

Tacitus Kilgore

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Disgusting and vile thing to say - if they in UK probably die of Covid'.
Every country has suffered.

Would you say the same thing about any other country ?

Context is a real thing, but go on, ignore it.

brickster69

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1370329621661618176

RavenBea17b

And yet in the MHRA summary - post vaccination 'yellow cards', Pfizer has had similar similar events reported.....- but I haven't seen any screaming headlines.
I fully appreciate that investigations have to be checked but responsible reporting is sadly lacking. Headlines stick, details ...... nah.

Does anyone have a link to Irelands equivalent post vaccination yellow cards, breaking down each vaccine etc.
Or the EU portal , I did have that link, but cant find it.
Thanks

astrofool

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Context is a real thing, but go on, ignore it.

The thing is, when the problem is supply, you're taking it out of someone else's arm anyway, so it's someone not ill here instead of elsewhere.

The number of deaths in Ireland have been low compared to most other countries, even with the Jan/Feb numbers.

ixoy

It wouldn't surprise me that some of the people freaking out about the Oxford vaccine are also wishing we were in the UK's vaccine rollout (primarily the Oxford vaccine).

RavenBea17b

Still a disgusting thing to post.

trellheim

Someone said on the Internet that Pfizer in Grange castle are exporting vaccine to the UK. Is there any truth to this ?

RavenBea17b

Thankfully, yes, Irelands numbers have been low, hence, my distaste at a comparison - 'context' or no.

It can be interpreted of - oh we're alright mate, we've only had x die, you've had xx die.
Each death is a tragic. I certainly found that post poor taste at best.

Tacitus Kilgore

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Still a disgusting thing to post.

Sure is, as I already agreed to in an earlier post, the context around it and the point I was making with the post are important to take into account though - I think anyway.



Bloody odd though, how the poster who was arguing me disappeared then you popped in to take their place.

bennyineire

trellheim wrote: »

Someone said on the Internet that Pfizer in Grange castle are exporting vaccine to the UK. Is there any truth to this ?

Must be if you heard someone saying they heard it on the internet

CrabRevolution

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Sure is, as I already agreed to in an earlier post, the context around it and the point I was making with the post are important to take into account though - I think anyway.

Bloody odd though, how the poster who was arguing me disappeared then you popped in to take their place.

It's a bizarre take alright.

Poster 1: "The EU are bad and are costing lives, we should follow the UK's example and leave the EU in order to save lives"

Poster 2: "But the UK's death rate is double ours, and higher than the total EU death rate. Leaving the EU wouldn't save lives"

Poster 1: "How disgusting of you to start using people's lives to prove a political point!!!"

Wolf359f

ixoy wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me that some of the people freaking out about the Oxford vaccine are also wishing we were in the UK's vaccine rollout (primarily the Oxford vaccine).

I believe the majority of jabs so far in the UK have been Pfizer.

As it's been reported, the incidence of clots in vaccinated vs non vaccinated is the same. However, we know of 2 from the same batch, maybe that's got them cautious. If the rate of incidence of clots within that batch compared to other batches or non vaccinated are the same, then it's just being blow out of proportion.

Shame there was no agreement in the EU's block agreement about delivering more doses when counties are not jabbing what they have (excluding buffers for bumpy deliveries and second doses). It could have made some countries roll out faster or the next delivery gets distributed without them.

RavenBea17b

I was trying to catch up on the thread, only saw he chain of posts a wee while ago.

RavenBea17b

CrabRevolution wrote: »

It's a bizarre take alright.

Poster 1: "The EU are bad and are costing lives, we should follow the UK's example and leave the EU in order to save lives"

Poster 2: "But the UK's death rate is double ours, and higher than the total EU death rate. Leaving the EU wouldn't save lives"

Poster 1: "How disgusting of you to start using people's lives to prove a political point!!!"

Odd indeed. - my post was about poor in taste to use death as better/worse.
Just upset me as that kind of thing is not helpful.

Melanchthon

Russman wrote: »

Is is just me or does the EU have a big shortfall in vaccine producing capacity within the bloc ? I know the Marburg plant is coming on line, but it just seems that we're way too reliant on items outside the bloc and outside our control. Were all our eggs effectively really in the Sanofi basket ?

I went through most of the Novaxax Covid press releases and so on and the EU is strikingly absent when you consider that the company bought Praha vaccines in May last year so that's pretty early on they were acquiring EU based assets.

I don't think any money or partnership support has been forthcoming from the EU at least so far, unlike, USA, UK, Canada, New Zealand, South Korea (with SK Biosciences) , Switzerland (may only be in principle?), Possibly Japan (it's hard to work out the government buying part here as they are in partnership with Takeda Pharmaceutical ).
Like that's a good chunk of the non EU 1st world there excluding the Gulf states (which are doing pretty well in terms of sourcing doses)

ACitizenErased

Not sure what the Austrians are implying?

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1370345515091644421?s=21

Deeper Blue

Wolf359f wrote: »

I believe the majority of jabs so far in the UK have been Pfizer.

They've used mostly AstraZeneca as far as I know, and very few Pfizer so far.

Tacitus Kilgore

average_runner wrote: »

Maybe long term they are but we do need to figure out why we are so weak right now.


This delay is costing lives, which is way more important than the EU saving a few coppers

average_runner wrote: »

Right now we are weak compare to the UK in the battle against Covid and you can't deny that.


Its costing more lives this delay, especially in the mental health area.

average_runner wrote: »

Well i know of 4 people since the new year that started that have died due to mental health
And one life is too much to lose

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Odd indeed. - my post was about poor in taste to use death as better/worse.
Just upset me as that kind of thing is not helpful.

I completely agree, have you any issues with what the poster I was responding to was saying? You do realise I was holding up a mirror to them?



I feel I have done enough off topic posting in this otherwise excellent thread for now, apologies mods & all, if someone sees fit to remove I have no objections.

braychelsea

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure what the Austrians are implying?

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1370345515091644421?s=21

I remember seeing something saying that Malta had agreed a deal with Pfizer to get more doses delivered. Would explain how they've administered twice as much as the EU average.

lbj666

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure what the Austrians are implying?

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1370345515091644421?s=21

Mark McSharry and his imaginary vacine friends in the US ..clearly 😋

astrofool

Deeper Blue wrote: »

They've used mostly AstraZeneca as far as I know, and very few Pfizer so far.

They don't publish numbers (which makes divining the efficacy/effects of the individual vaccine difficult when looking at results), but we know there has been at least 8M Pfizer been used from what the EU has exported to them (about 34% of rollout total).

Red Silurian

trellheim wrote: »

Someone said on the Internet that Pfizer in Grange castle are exporting vaccine to the UK. Is there any truth to this ?

There is probably no truth to this rumour, in fact I'm not even sure if the vaccine is produced at that particular plant

It is important to note, however, that BioNtech and Pfizer have been meeting the delivery targets agreed in their EU contract and so would not be subject to the same export ban as AZ would be

Melanchthon

braychelsea wrote: »

I remember seeing something saying that Malta had agreed a deal with Pfizer to get more doses delivered. Would explain how they've administered twice as much as the EU average.

True and we know at the very start at least of the rollout the amount of vaccines delivered wasn't in line with population. There was a few Italian politicians going mad about it.

Skygord

The USA has 10's of millions of doses of AstraZeneca in warehouses finished, but not yet approved by the FDA.

Given that Micheal Martin has sought to speak with the AstraZeneca CEO and the meeting is 'next week', the same week he'll be chatting with Joe Biden for the Paddy's Day events, do you think there's anything planned for USA to ship some finished AZ to EU/Ireland now - and we replace the supplies next month (or whenever it's approved by US FDA)? Could they be planning for this to be announced next week?

Or is it just wishful thinking on my part?

https://www.independent.ie/news/no-evidence-of-funny-business-with-astrazeneca-supplies-donnelly-40188289.html

ACitizenErased

Skygord wrote: »

The USA has 10's of millions of doses of AstraZeneca in warehouses finished, but not yet approved by the FDA.

Given that Micheal Martin has sought to speak with the AstraZeneca CEO and the meeting is 'next week', the same week he'll be chatting with Joe Biden for the Paddy's Day events, do you think there's anything planned for USA to ship some finished AZ to EU/Ireland now - and we replace the supplies next month (or whenever it's approved by US FDA)? Could they be planning for this to be announced next week?

Or is it just wishful thinking on my part?

Biden has already said no way to exporting

josip

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure what the Austrians are implying?

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1370345515091644421?s=21

Maybe they've got Orban in mind?
Although I thought their deals with Russia/China were not secret and in the open.

Deathofcool

Sweden have updated their vaccine delivery forecast today. Details can be found here https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/vaccination-mot-covid-19/statistik/prognos-av-vaccinleveranser/

According to David Higgins we can adjust for our population by dividing by two so rough projections are attached.

ACitizenErased

Deathofcool wrote: »

Sweden have updated their vaccine delivery forecast today. Details can be found here https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/vaccination-mot-covid-19/statistik/prognos-av-vaccinleveranser/

According to David Higgins we can adjust for our population by dividing by two so rough projections are attached.

That takes us to almost exactly 1.2 million by end of this quarter, right?

goingnowhere

trellheim wrote: »

Someone said on the Internet that Pfizer in Grange castle are exporting vaccine to the UK. Is there any truth to this ?

Someone said on the Internet

Pfizer did vaccinate a significant number of its staff based in Ireland out of its own stocks as part of its business continuity plans.