COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

lbj666

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Paul Reid has said the additional 40-50k Pfizer jabs for this quarter have us on track for just under 1.2 million

Hows is that even possible if its 85k next week and 1.5 weeks to go after that

ACitizenErased

Astrazeneca commitment as of this morning is 377,000 by end of quarter

Wolf359f

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Astrazeneca commitment as of this morning is 377,000 by end of quarter

And you really believe that won't change by next week?
I'd say that will be revised down by the end of the week, if not the end of the day.

ACitizenErased

Wolf359f wrote: »

And you really believe that won't change by next week?
I'd say that will be revised down by the end of the week, if not the end of the day.

Who said that? The conference is on now, I'm posting info from the conference for people who aren't watching

Hobgoblin11

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

What's going on with the waves? My understanding is we on these islands are in the midst of the third wave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56359403

I think some countries have a different definition of a wave!

astrofool

astrofool wrote: »

Because the UK is preventing AZ from fulfilling their supply to the EU, so the EU can, at any time, have Pfizer do the same to the UK.

but they aren't though. What makes you think they are?

The EU quite clearly asked for the initial doses to be made in the EU, so they were aware that UK factories were effectively out of scope. Why do you think they have dropped the rhetoric and resorted to just dropping little tit bits of information through "Leaks"?

astrofool wrote: »

As you have noted, you have been a complete hypocrite in saying that the UK is a company issue, yet the EU can't block a company, both can't be true, you can't speak out of both sides of the same face no matter how hard you try, the EU can put the same controls on Pfizer production as the UK has put on AZ (as witnessed by the blocking of EU produced AZ vaccine to Australia). The EU is playing nice, the UK is chest thumping after a horrendous response and a higher per capita death rate than other EU countries (only close to those who were hit first).

Nothing hypocritical about it at all.

The UK did a much better job of securing vaccine supply for it's citizens than the EU did.

Mainly because the UK treated this like a start up company, the EU trated it as an opportunity for a few politicians to be heros.

josip

Champagne Sally wrote: »

It is indeed great news, does anyone have the figures to hand of the number of doses we are expecting from Johnson & Johnson and when?

Edit: It's okay, I found them in the original article. 600k doses in Q2.

Are there any more details than 600k in Q2 ?
eg. on what date do they expect to make the first shipment?
And how frequently after that?
In the absence of any breakdown, I would worry that it will only arrive in June, after the US has been fully vaccinated.

Is there any word on when the online booking system will be launched for non-healthcare workers?

Apogee

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there any word on when the online booking system will be launched for non-healthcare workers?

Reid mentioned April in the briefing. They've integrated the portal with GP IT systems, but not for pharmacists as pharmacists don't have a unified IT system.

josip

josip wrote: »

Are there any more details than 600k in Q2 ?
eg. on what date do they expect to make the first shipment?
And how frequently after that?
In the absence of any breakdown, I would worry that it will only arrive in June, after the US has been fully vaccinated.

No delivery schedule has been provided to the EU yet.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/eu-drug-regulator-is-said-to-recommend-j-j-vaccine-for-bloc

Apogee

Reid: All over 70s first dose by mid-April. Second dose by mid-May.

JTMan

Interesting FT article here (paywall) on the latest on the GSK Covid treatment which shows ‘profound efficacy’.

- Clinical trial results showed an 85 per cent reduction in hospitalisation or death.
- GSK and Vir will seek emergency use authorisation from the US “immediately” as well as approvals in other countries.
- The drug is currently administered intravenously but developers are looking to create a formulation that could be given by intramuscular injection.

Anyone know is GSK are applying for EMA approval?

jackryan34

Apogee wrote: »

Reid: All over 70s first dose by mid-April. Second dose by mid-May.

One we pass mid-May, hospitals should be completely out of danger then.

That age group is responsible for 60% of hospitalisations

stephenjmcd

EMA Update on AstraZeneca

https://twitter.com/F2Bruxelles/status/1370038404537278467?s=19

30 cases from 5 million vacinations as of yesterday, not outside what would be expected in general population. EMA reviewing all cases but no issue with vacinations continuing

Pete_Cavan

Aegir wrote: »

Nothing hypocritical about it at all.

The UK did a much better job of securing vaccine supply for it's citizens than the EU did.

Mainly because the UK treated this like a start up company, the EU trated it as an opportunity for a few politicians to be heros.

What you refer to as "securing vaccine supply" is what many consider to be vaccine nationalism. In "securing" their supply, the UK did so to the detriment of everyone else. The EU simply wanted to buy vaccines but not to the detriment of anyone else. If the UK had secured supplies ahead of all others, AZ should have informed the EU, the contract specifically says AZ have no commitments which would impede them supplying the EU.

average_runner

See Switzerland bought an extra 3 millions does of Pfizer, doubling their original order to six million, delivery in stages from April!!


What have we done, nothing!!!

hynesie08

average_runner wrote: »

See Switzerland bought an extra 3 millions does of Pfizer, doubling their original order to six million, delivery in stages from April!!


What have we done, nothing!!!

A single market country not in the EU with one of the wealthiest populations on the planet........

Fair comparison.

brickster69

Biden can't help with EU supply

https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/exclusive-eu-told-to-expect-no-astrazeneca-vaccines-from-us-in-near-future--sources-2444144

stephenjmcd

brickster69 wrote: »

Biden can't help with EU supply

https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/exclusive-eu-told-to-expect-no-astrazeneca-vaccines-from-us-in-near-future--sources-2444144

Not sure how accurate that article is tbh when it comes to Q2. There had been reports in the EU that AZ was cutting forecast by 50% for Q2. AZ came out not long after an said that wasn't the case with SII looking like supplying a decent number of the EU supply.

If they can deliver on Q2 who knows tbh, our own projections factor in an overall 60% cut.

We all knew though that neither UK or USA would be able to send additional doses, all well and good asking but look after your own first is what countries will be doing

Pete_Cavan

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

What you refer to as "securing vaccine supply" is what many consider to be vaccine nationalism. In "securing" their supply, the UK did so to the detriment of everyone else. The EU simply wanted to buy vaccines but not to the detriment of anyone else. If the UK had secured supplies ahead of all others, AZ should have informed the EU, the contract specifically says AZ have no commitments which would impede them supplying the EU.

it wasn't to the detriment of everyone else, the AZ vaccine is being made all over the world. millions of doses have already been delivered to African countries via Covax.

Why did the EU contract specifically state that the initial doses should be made in the EU, but after that, they could come from the EU or the UK?

Because they knew that the factories in the UK, the ones set up by the UK government, were committed to delivering their UK orders first.

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Astrazeneca commitment as of this morning is 377,000 by end of quarter

Did they check a dictionary before using that word?!

average_runner

hynesie08 wrote: »

A single market country not in the EU with one of the wealthiest populations on the planet........

Fair comparison.

So they are able to pay more, get a better delivery than the EU can!!


If so, the EU is pointless!!!

is_that_so

average_runner wrote: »

So they are able to pay more, get a better delivery than the EU can!!


If so, the EU is pointless!!!

They have a population smaller than Austria! EU is all for one!

stephenjmcd

average_runner wrote: »

So they are able to pay more, get a better delivery than the EU can!!


If so, the EU is pointless!!!

Wait what ?? The EU has hundreds of millions on order with Pfizer who are delivering as expected. Not sure what your definition of better delivery is.

mvl

just looking at article below, from other sources seems there are 9 EU countries pausing it -
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/11/denmark-pauses-astrazeneca-vaccines-to-investigate-blood-clot-reports

Goldengirl

mvl wrote: »

just looking at article below, from other sources seems there are 9 EU countries pausing it -
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/11/denmark-pauses-astrazeneca-vaccines-to-investigate-blood-clot-reports

Appears it is one particular batch under investigation .

average_runner

average_runner wrote: »

See Switzerland bought an extra 3 millions does of Pfizer, doubling their original order to six million, delivery in stages from April!!


What have we done, nothing!!!

Is this the Switzerland that have pretty much the exact same amount of vaccines delivered as we have by population and is the the Pfizer that the EU have orders in for 600 million, over 6 million of which Ireland are entitled to, which we are getting in stages?

josip

mvl wrote: »

just looking at article below, from other sources seems there are 9 EU countries pausing it -
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/11/denmark-pauses-astrazeneca-vaccines-to-investigate-blood-clot-reports

I can't help but think that this is effectively the end of the AZ vaccine being a significant player in the EU program.
Although these pauses are purely precautionary and caused by a single batch, everything about AZ in the media is negative recently.
Will France and Germany now be able to convince their populations that the AZ vaccine is safe and it's something they should want ?
AZ are unlikely to deliver any meaningful numbers for the next 2 months, by which time there will be other options.

brickster69

Goldengirl wrote: »

Appears it is one particular batch under investigation .

I wonder where it was made ?

Pete_Cavan

Aegir wrote: »

it wasn't to the detriment of everyone else, the AZ vaccine is being made all over the world. millions of doses have already been delivered to African countries via Covax.

Why did the EU contract specifically state that the initial doses should be made in the EU, but after that, they could come from the EU or the UK?

Because they knew that the factories in the UK, the ones set up by the UK government, were committed to delivering their UK orders first.

The EU contract doesn't specifically state that the initial doses should be made in the EU. That clause mentions best efforts, a phrase which apparently makes delivery targets null and void yet is very specific when it suits your argument. Then when it came to AZ failing to meet Q2 deliveries by 50%, they said they could supply from elsewhere, basically saying the exact opposite of their excuse for Q1 underperformance.