COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

trellheim

stephenjmcd wrote: »

MM hasn't said 850k anywhere. The IT article was updated to reflect his views on Q1 hence the article time. I've a subscription to the IT(sometimes worth it sometimes not) and read an article at 6.30 this morning and at that time it already included the 850k. They've copied it into the one you linked.

Reid later said 1.1 million, which the Independent, RTE & others are reporting. His comments came after the initial IT report.

Here is the original report from the early hours of this morning referencing 850k

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/less-than-half-of-expected-vaccines-to-be-delivered-in-first-quarter-1.4504737?mode=amp#.YEdRm8S4nR4.twitter

IT still havent wound in their article so currently both numbers are out there. Let's see who's right as we go along. Happy to be proved wrong when it all comes out.

is_that_so

Looks like J&J might have potential delivery issues to the EU as well. There's already a projected shortfall for March in the US so they are giving a cautious heads up well in advance.

Johnson & Johnson has told the European Union it is facing supply issues that may complicate plans to deliver 55 million doses of its Covid-19 vaccine to the bloc in the second quarter of the year, an EU official has said.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0309/1202910-europe-covid19/

eoinbn

trellheim wrote: »

IT still havent wound in their article so currently both numbers are out there. Let's see who's right as we go along. Happy to be proved wrong when it all comes out.

Hard to see IT being correct.
520k at the end of February.
Pfizer 55k * 4 = 220k
Moderna another 30k

So AZ would only deliver 80k to make up 850k. Maybe that is how the IT came up with the number - projecting February's numbers into March. Not the worst way to do it but hopefully AZ can improved on their shambolic performance so far.

eoinbn

is_that_so wrote: »

Looks like J&J might have potential delivery issues to the EU as well. There's already a projected shortfall for March in the US so they are giving a cautious heads up well in advance.



https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0309/1202910-europe-covid19/

The difference is the US government has already put a plan in place to get them back on track. The EU commission will just point at the contract and demand 55m by June (which is half of what the US expects by the end of May).

30% more people, 45% less doses and delivered later. At least we got it for a few quid less.

Wolf359f

eoinbn wrote: »

The difference is the US government has already put a plan in place to get them back on track. The EU commission will just point at the contract and demand 55m by June (which is half of what the US expects by the end of May).

30% more people, 45% less doses and delivered later. At least we got it for a few quid less.

Maybe read the link and then comment on it?
The EU are looking to help J&J solve the issue.
Similar to Pfizer and then being able to reduce the plant shutdown from 4 weeks to 1 week in order to upscale.
AZ waited until a week before the delivery date to say the order will be massively reduced. Very little the EU could do at that stage.

eoinbn

Wolf359f wrote: »

Maybe read the link and then comment on it?
The EU are looking to help J&J solve the issue.
Similar to Pfizer and then being able to reduce the plant shutdown from 4 weeks to 1 week in order to upscale.
AZ waited until a week before the delivery date to say the order will be massively reduced. Very little the EU could do at that stage.

They have been talking about trying to move more fill and finish to the EU for more than a month now. That is a month wasted. No doubt we will get another Q3 solution to a Q2 problem.

timsey tiger

Wolf359f wrote: »

Maybe read the link and then comment on it?
The EU are looking to help J&J solve the issue.
Similar to Pfizer and then being able to reduce the plant shutdown from 4 weeks to 1 week in order to upscale.
AZ waited until a week before the delivery date to say the order will be massively reduced. Very little the EU could do at that stage.

They could have slapped export bans in place including on ingredients. You know hard ball.

irishgeo

eoinbn wrote: »

They have been talking about trying to move more fill and finish to the EU for more than a month now. That is a month wasted. No doubt we will get another Q3 solution to a Q2 problem.

What your solution rather than moan about it.

Water John

timsey tiger wrote: »

They could have slapped export bans in place including on ingredients. You know hard ball.

Sounds great, what happens when India and China who supply some of the ingredients, take your advice?

timsey tiger

irishgeo wrote: »

What your solution rather than moan about it.

Ban exports, then only agree ingredient export if we get our proportion ordered back of completed vaccines. i.e. nobody gets any if we don't get ours, where ever we have control.

timsey tiger

Water John wrote: »

Sounds great, what happens when India and China who supply some of the ingredients, take your advice?

Yeah if they were going to do it they'd do it anyway, what would be their motivation?

eoinbn

irishgeo wrote: »

What your solution rather than moan about it.

Pay the US company out of their contract, tap a European company to do it. It is really that simple.

Edit: There is no guarantee that fill and finish is the EU bottleneck but if the EU are worried about it there is a simple solution.

quartz1

Government seem to be failing to obtain a reliable supply of vaccine so i guess we need to send Bono off again to try fix it for us.

seamusk84

It’s Paddy’s day next week. We will be the center of attention for 24 hours and although all the ministerial meetings of foreign heads of state will be virtual; It is an ideal opportunity to fish around for assistance outside of the EU for vaccine procurement.

MM better say something to Biden!

Slinky94

This news about a vaccine supply is just maddening now. Last week top 5 in Europe or whatever nonsense. Now the supply is getting less and less, yet yesterday there was a report that the immunity could be 6 months (if not longer). And here we are vaccinating people who caught Covid over Xmas or last month. I've no problem with frontline staff and every vulnerable person getting it if the they need it but it just seems like a waste of a vaccine at the start when our supply was obviously at critically low level.
Maybe someone has posted something similar already but if restrictions are going to be linked to vaccine numbers instead of case numbers this is just a farce.

quartz1

Reuters published an article a few weeks ago that J&J were planning to export vaccine manufactured in the EU to the US to be bottled. It just seems that the EU have been asleep at the wheel with this process. The Irish Government need to at least make an effort to source vaccine outside of the EU deal. Tonight's RTE News showing pallets of Sputnik been delivered to Hungary and the Czech Republic. It wouldn't be my first choice but based on the expert opinion I would happily take my chances with it .

political analyst

lucernarian wrote: »

If you looked at the rte article and the categorization you posted, you would see that not all CF sufferers are regarded as severe cases.

How can any CF sufferer not be regarded as a severe case?

daydorunrun

We should be doing antibody testing before vaccinations to spread out the positive impact of the slow roll out.

astrofool

quartz1 wrote: »

Reuters published an article a few weeks ago that J&J were planning to export vaccine manufactured in the EU to the US to be bottled.

This has been known for a while and only represents some of the supply for the EU. If the US embargo the vaccine, then they'll stop sending it over for fill & finish and use EU plants (albeit at a slower rate while manufacturing scales up).

political analyst wrote: »

How can any CF sufferer not be regarded as a severe case?

Because not all CF cases are the same and might only be mildly effected.

CruelSummer

quartz1 wrote: »

Reuters published an article a few weeks ago that J&J were planning to export vaccine manufactured in the EU to the US to be bottled. It just seems that the EU have been asleep at the wheel with this process. The Irish Government need to at least make an effort to source vaccine outside of the EU deal. Tonight's RTE News showing pallets of Sputnik been delivered to Hungary and the Czech Republic. It wouldn't be my first choice but based on the expert opinion I would happily take my chances with it .

Would Ireland have any influence with the US and pharma groups here? We seriously need to get more aggressive about this. We’ve a small population compared to other countries.

stephenjmcd

CruelSummer wrote: »

Would Ireland have any influence with the US and pharma groups here? We seriously need to get more aggressive about this. We’ve a small population compared to other countries.

Pharma production here is mainly medical devices. It just wouldn't be possible in a short time frame to switch production to vaccine production. Its highly specialised.

As for get more aggressive, with whom & do what ?

Tippbhoy1

CruelSummer wrote: »

Would Ireland have any influence with the US and pharma groups here? We seriously need to get more aggressive about this. We’ve a small population compared to other countries.

No influence whatsoever. We are a tiny nation on the world stage. We need to move on as a nation wasting time talking about all these supposed solutions and get behind the plan. Lads talking about booting up plants in Ireland etc are fooling themselves, this is not making cans of coke. We need to focus on how quickly we can administer the vaccines once the supply ramps up, and how quickly we can get people back to work, that’s where the energy should be spent.

brickster69

timsey tiger wrote: »

They could have slapped export bans in place including on ingredients. You know hard ball.

You do realize that the Pfizer vaccine ingredients are supplied from many non EU countries don't you.

theoneeyedman

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pharma production here is mainly medical devices. It just wouldn't be possible in a short time frame to switch production to vaccine production. Its highly specialised.

As for get more aggressive, with whom & do what ?

Pharma and Medical Devices are 2 completely different industries.

stephenjmcd

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Pharma and Medical Devices are 2 completely different industries.

That's sort of the point being made, the vast majority of pharmaceutical / medical companies in Ireland use their Irish plants to manufacture medical devices etc not vaccines. Pfizer do have some vaccine production capacity in Ireland but not at the scale required for production of covid vaccine.

Although Pharma companies make medical devices also so its not really a different industry. It all comes under pharmaceutical / medical production but its two completely different set ups in terms of factory set up etc.

Pfizer couldn't turn around tomorrow and change their Irish production to covid vaccines for example, it just wouldn't be possible

josip

My mother (84) and her sister (75) both got appointments for next Tuesday.

ACitizenErased

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Pharma and Medical Devices are 2 completely different industries.

The majority of pharma/medical companies in Ireland develop medical devices, lab equipment or general medicines like paracetemol, viagra, etc.

eastie17

Despite my best instincts I ended up watching the 9 o'clock news.
As predicted by some they have somehow managed to continue a narrative of unending misery.

The reality

Numbers of infected, in hospital and in ICU continue to drop significantly
People continue to be vaccinated, over 500K shots administered, most of our over 85s completed and all medical front line workers meaning our hospitals and nursing homes are now much safer
All primary school children back to school next week
Leaving certs half way through their second week back
Extremely high chance that other elements of life will open up after April 5th

And the narrative from RTE is 10 minutes of negative leaning hyperbolic statements about the Government being "under pressure", "failure" "behind schedule" "scrambling", "17 delays to the program" etc etc.
And the reason for this - they might have only delivered 1.1Million vaccines by the end of March instead of the forecasted 1.2Million.

We went through an almost completely open summer period last year with no major negative impacts without anyone vaccinated. There is no reason we cant do the same this year, except the difference this time is that every day that goes by more and more people are being protected from the disease.
RTE need phycological help and they are doing their best to infect the rest of the country with their misery narrative.

The vaccine acquisition has been pathetic but it shouldn't matter as much as it likely will. Once all the 65+ and vulnerable have had their first shot we should be opening up rapidly. The mere possibility of high case numbers in young people will be used as an excuse for excessive caution unfortunately.

brickster69

Losing the plot now. Does he not understand the UK has no vaccine export ban. They just make enough to supply itself

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1369398650946850822