COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

If they communicated that clearly, then people would not be worried. That is nowhere to be seen on the hse website and hospitals and gps don't seem to have a clue either.

Well, I've heard about a few times but they can't communicate anything more than big pictures until they see supplies.

I would say the list is based on how the group is categorized.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/#aged-16-69-and-at-very-high-risk-of-severe-covid-19-disease

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

I'd say stay away from Twitter - lots of noise, even more ignorance of what's going on. It's only three days into the group and Henry also said it's not that simple to get a list together. HSE briefing tomorrow so it's bound to come up.

I understand completely that, there is even a priority within the cohorts, I am not looking for my husband or father to be top of the list. I just do not want them to fall through the cracks.

LuckyLloyd

seamus wrote: »

I might be wrong, but my understanding of cohort 4 was that initially public hospitals would identify any relevant patients attending out-patient care there. Once that was done, then the GPs and private hospitals would identify their patients in cohort 4.

Maybe I'm wrong?

Your understanding is correct. They also aren't expected to complete the drafting of the full list that makes up the cohort until towards the end of the month. It's hard for people, completely appreciate that, but those known to the health system just need to be patient and they will be called forward.

astrofool

RavenBea17b wrote: »

There isn't an export ban in the UK. What they did do however is ensure their supply - investing in the manufacture, fill processes - buying 18 months worth of glass vials etc plus spread their options in many vaccine baskets early. I think I saw an article on sky news Australia mentioning Britain helping them secure doses after Italy block on AZ set of doses.
Yes, the UK is also going to India to get doses- and why not ?
Ireland can do exactly the same - if it chose to.

As others have said, this is the exact type of doublespeak that people have problems with. It's not an export ban, it's "securing the supply lines" (and you know who has the supply lines, but hasn't secured them to the benefit of the UK? the EU).

It's up to a country to prevent exports of a valuable commodity, and own that process, and live with the consequences (doesn't Ireland look stupid for sending PPE to NI after Bojo sh*t the bed initially with SARS-COV2).

But to pretend there is 2 different realities is completely hypocritical and should be called out as utter bullsh*t whenever possible.

Probes

Can anyone tell me why the external government target was 1.7m vaccinations Q1 but the internal target was 1.2m? I couldn’t quite get the logic behind what’s happened there.

stefanovich

Probes wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why the external government target was 1.7m vaccinations Q1 but the internal target was 1.2m? I couldn’t quite get the logic behind what’s happened there.

Perhaps they lowered it based on how things were going but decided not to share that with the public at the time?

marno21

Good news for once

https://twitter.com/michealmartintd/status/1369591582375174144?s=21

Mad to think that Pfizer will be the workhorse vaccine when we were so sceptical of it for general use with the -70C supply chains.

astrofool

Probes wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why the external government target was 1.7m vaccinations Q1 but the internal target was 1.2m? I couldn’t quite get the logic behind what’s happened there.

500k vaccines that were expected to arrive, are now not planned to arrive (most of the shortfall has been with AZ, but some also with Moderna).

Remembering that the AZ quantity was already reduced by > 50% before later revisions.

astrofool

marno21 wrote: »

Good news for once

Mad to think that Pfizer will be the workhorse vaccine when we were so sceptical of it for general use with the -70C supply chains.

What Pfizer/BioNTech has managed to do (and Moderna in the US) is incredible.

Probes

astrofool wrote: »

500k vaccines that were expected to arrive, are now not planned to arrive (most of the shortfall has been with AZ, but some also with Moderna).

Remembering that the AZ quantity was already reduced by > 50% before later revisions.

Yeah, but why publically have a target about 33% higher than internal targets? It seems like the type of thing that would ring alarm bells somewhere.

stephenjmcd

marno21 wrote: »

Good news for once

https://twitter.com/michealmartintd/status/1369591582375174144?s=21

Mad to think that Pfizer will be the workhorse vaccine when we were so sceptical of it for general use with the -70C supply chains.

Full European commission press release here

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1369591200093732864?s=19

Pfizer is now able to deliver additional doses as a result of the January/February manufacturing expansion which has resulted in 4 million more doses becoming available within 2 weeks.

Member states can purchase pro rata.

Bodes well that Pfizer can deliver on their projections and the commissioning on new facilties along with the recent upgrades have quite clearly gone well and to plan hence the additional output now available.

darem93

That is very welcome news and badly needed I think after all the demoralising news yesterday.

is_that_so

darem93 wrote: »

That is very welcome news and badly needed I think after all the demoralising news yesterday.

What news was that?

lbj666

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Full European commission press release here

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1369591200093732864?s=19

Pfizer is now able to deliver additional doses as a result of the January/February manufacturing expansion which has resulted in 4 million more doses becoming available within 2 weeks.

Member states can purchase pro rata.

Bodes well that Pfizer can deliver on their projections and the commissioning on new facilties along with the recent upgrades have quite clearly gone well and to plan hence the additional output now available.

So in truth we are starting to see the signs of their ramp up in supply a bit earlier than expected.

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Full European commission press release here

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1369591200093732864?s=19

Pfizer is now able to deliver additional doses as a result of the January/February manufacturing expansion which has resulted in 4 million more doses becoming available within 2 weeks.

Member states can purchase pro rata.

Bodes well that Pfizer can deliver on their projections and the commissioning on new facilties along with the recent upgrades have quite clearly gone well and to plan hence the additional output now available.

Apart from their own anticipated hiccup their performance throughout this has been excellent and they have set the standard in big pharma delivering vaccines. Just as well the BionTech vaccine worked out, otherwise it would be AZ only!

stephenjmcd

lbj666 wrote: »

So in truth we are starting to see the signs of their ramp up in supply a bit earlier than expected.

Looks like it alright. Pfizer had signalled much larger deliveries from next month, more than double the current monthly supply.

4 million might in the grand scheme of things seem not to be that large(it is large) but I think it shows that they're able to deliver what they say they can. The commissioning of new facilties and the upgrades to the Belgian facilties paying off.

funnydoggy

Pints on me..

or


Popcorn on me..

Pete_Cavan

Great stuff from Pfizer. Hopefully this is an indication of overall increased output leading to faster than expected supply going forward, rather than just a once off bump.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Probes wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why the external government target was 1.7m vaccinations Q1 but the internal target was 1.2m? I couldn’t quite get the logic behind what’s happened there.

What do you mean by internal target?

I suspect you are mixing up two targets set at different times as things develop and calling one internal and one external.

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks like it alright. Pfizer had signalled much larger deliveries from next month, more than double the current monthly supply.

4 million might in the grand scheme of things not be that large but I think it shows that they're able to deliver what they say they can.

4 million is s 10% of whats already been administered in the EU so far, and close to 1.5% of global totals. Its far from insignificant

VonLuck

With the additional supply from Pfizer, does that mean instead of hitting the 1.2 million March target we will in fact hit around 1.15 million (up from 1.1 million)?

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

4 million is s 10% of whats already been administered in the EU so far, and close to 1.5% of global totals. Its far from insignificant

Oh I know, I mean that I've already seen tweets etc saying "oh it's only 1 weeks supply if even for Ireland", some people see it as small number and think its insignificant & that's probably down to the large numbers they've gotten used to seeing in big announcements of contracts. Its far from it as you mention & for me says more about the significant production capacity of Pfizer-BioNTech than anything else.

Without Pfizer & BioNTech I dread to think the situation we would be in.

Pete_Cavan

Has there been any indication when Sanofi produced doses will be available and how do they fit in with current delivery schedules (i.e. is there going to be a bump from them or is that factored into current schedules)?

is_that_so

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Has there been any indication when Sanofi produced doses will be available and how do they fit in with current delivery schedules (i.e. is there going to be a bump from them or is that factored into current schedules)?

125 million doses of Pfizer/BionTech from the summer.

SusanC10

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If they communicated that clearly, then people would not be worried. That is nowhere to be seen on the hse website and hospitals and gps don't seem to have a clue either.

I think communication has been lacking. My sister is Group 4. She hasn't been in a hospital since she was a child although she does also have other conditions which are controlled medically. GP says that they have no info. They are only finishing 85+ this week and moving to 80-84 then.
Hopefully they will get to my elderly Mum (80+) soon at least as she is my sister's Carer.

josip

Deleted User wrote: »

No take a look on twitter, it is not just 2 people. People are concerned about their family members. There is absolutely no communication. They had a year to compile a list of people, yes some people on the list, their circumstances would have changed, but at least it would be a start. Gps would be much better able to identify patients in Cohort 4.

Sorry, twitter is just Joe Duffy for millennials.

eoinbn

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Great stuff from Pfizer. Hopefully this is an indication of overall increased output leading to faster than expected supply going forward, rather than just a once off bump.

Output hasn't increased - it is due to increase in the 2nd half of April. Hopefully should be hitting 800-900k per month by June/July.
This shipment has been known about for weeks. This is just PR. Pfizer was suppose to supply the EU with 10m by the end of 2020. Most of that didn't arrive. This is addressing the shortfall.

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Has there been any indication when Sanofi produced doses will be available and how do they fit in with current delivery schedules (i.e. is there going to be a bump from them or is that factored into current schedules)?

There has been mixed reports from the Sanofi deal. Most of them are saying it just fill & finish. Maybe BioNtech doesn't have enough F&F to cater for the output from Marburg once it is 100% operational.

Pete_Cavan

is_that_so wrote: »

125 million doses of Pfizer/BionTech from the summer.

But does that include what Sanofi will produce or will their production be in addition to that figure?

Probes

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

What do you mean by internal target?

I suspect you are mixing up two targets set at different times as things develop and calling one internal and one external.

It’s in this article, Donnelly saying we’d miss the 1.7m but we are only just missing the internal target of 1.2m.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40241066.html?utm_campaign=40241228&utm_medium=readmore&utm_source=irishexaminer

Also, great photo on the article

Sweet.Science

Good news from Pfizer . Much needed and hopefully a sign of things to come.