COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Deathofcool

RTE reporting as of 15:10 today that the number for Q1 from Paul Reid is 1.1m doses.
J&J will start to arrive from mid April but the majority of the order is back ended.
With all the negative news today im starting to get the feeling that our ramp up and the EU's will coincide with both the US and the UK coming to the end of their vaccination program.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0308/1202788-coronavirus-ireland/

monkeybutter

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

the US doesn't have a surplus of vaccines, neither does russia

lucernarian

Cork2021 wrote: »

Well at least it isn’t doom and gloom! But if you want to look at click bait follow, staines, killeen, mclysaght, Mc donkey and co!

Why would I want to look at clickbait? Someone like Luke O'Neill is who I'd follow for scientific updates, not someone calling themselves Mac n chose with vapid commentary.

Edited earlier post to specify what I was referring to, apologies.

lucernarian

is_that_so wrote: »

Ah John McGuinness, the shape thrower himself! I'm guessing he means Moderna and we are not doing vaccine nationalism. Let them pass these phantom vaccines on to COVAX.

Yeah it's suspicious, surely the manufacturer can pass them on to the EU even and we can at least get a small portion of that.

snowcat

https://trialsitenews.com/bulgarian-randomized-double-blind-placebo-controlled-ivermectin-study-shows-positive-results-against-covid-19/

trellheim

RTE reporting as of 15:10 today that the number for Q1 from Paul Reid is 1.1m doses.

Contradicted by a later IT article stating 850k. Paul Reid was on at 930 before the Oireachtas committee saying 1.1 this morning so that date is before the IT article, which is attributed to but not quoting the Taoiseach

stephenjmcd

trellheim wrote: »

Contradicted by a later IT article stating 850k. Paul Reid was on at 930 before the Oireachtas committee saying 1.1 this morning so that date is before the IT article, which is attributed to but not quoting the Taoiseach

MM hasn't said 850k anywhere. The IT article was updated to reflect his views on Q1 hence the article time. I've a subscription to the IT(sometimes worth it sometimes not) and read an article at 6.30 this morning and at that time it already included the 850k. They've copied it into the one you linked.

Reid later said 1.1 million, which the Independent, RTE & others are reporting. His comments came after the initial IT report.

Here is the original report from the early hours of this morning referencing 850k

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/less-than-half-of-expected-vaccines-to-be-delivered-in-first-quarter-1.4504737?mode=amp#.YEdRm8S4nR4.twitter

is_that_so

monkeybutter wrote: »

the US doesn't have a surplus of vaccines, neither does russia

The US now has delivered a lot of vaccines but not that many in arms as a proportion of actual stocks.

titan18

lucernarian wrote: »

Yeah it's suspicious, surely the manufacturer can pass them on to the EU even and we can at least get a small portion of that.

Could be a case that they're based here and really want staff back in the office and know that's not happening until we get more vaccinated so if they have 3-400k they can divert to us, it might help that.

Gile_na_gile

Sputnik Vaccine to be produced in Italy with availability from July reported today. If EMA approval is not forthcoming then Russia will buy it back again. SV is obviously being used to promote Russian influence but it is reportedly a good vaccine in itself. I think they should give Russia the promo win by distributing it in Europe pending EMA approval, while seeking a quid pro quo in relation to the political class and their penchant for murdering the opposition and any corruption investigators.....

Anyway, Sputnik V might be useful if we are still stuck with 40-60% vaccinated at the end of June thanks to new J&J issues. I've got plans for the summer, goddamn it!

monkeybutter

is_that_so wrote: »

The US now has delivered a lot of vaccines but not that many in arms as a proportion of actual stocks.

hard to know what you mean?


they don't have surplus, they might not till the end of summer if they dont have any supply issues, which they well might



i mean its the same story as the germany broke the rules buying excess


none will be delivered until its too late

is_that_so

monkeybutter wrote: »

hard to know what you mean?


they don't have surplus, they might not till the end of summer if they dont have any supply issues, which they well might



i mean its the same story as the germany broke the rules buying excess


none will be delivered until its too late

I didn't say they had a surplus but they've delivered a lot. Quite a bit of it has not been used yet.

Martina1991

Monster249 wrote: »

The testing is a shambles. I've an elderly relative waiting 2 days for a result, they have had a f**king year to streamline it and make it more efficient.

We continue to do our job and the government repeatedly fail.

Testing is absolutely not a shambles.
All results should be reported <30 hours at this stage.

If your relative is elderly, did they provide a mobile number so they could receive a text message. Do they have a mobile. Did they provide adequate contact information. Did they contact their GP to look up their result.

Maybe you should help them navigate the proper avenues for contacting the HSE before bitching on Boards.

ACitizenErased

Martina1991 wrote: »

Testing is absolutely not a shambles.
All results should be reported <30 hours at this stage.

If your relative is elderly, did they provide a mobile number so they could receive a text message. Do they have a mobile. Did they provide adequate contact information. Did they contact their GP to look up their result.

Maybe you should help them navigate the proper avenues for contacting the HSE before bitching on Boards.

Well said

FlubberJones

Italy seem to be improving, my partner's mother lives in Calabria and has been contacted by her doctor, he has said he will be arriving on Monday next week and will be delivering a vaccine shot.

hynesie08

My 83 year old gran just got the call for Friday, so this week has peaked already.

D.Q

Martina1991 wrote: »

Testing is absolutely not a shambles.
All results should be reported <30 hours at this stage.

If your relative is elderly, did they provide a mobile number so they could receive a text message. Do they have a mobile. Did they provide adequate contact information. Did they contact their GP to look up their result.

Maybe you should help them navigate the proper avenues for contacting the HSE before bitching on Boards.

So funny when people come on bards having a tantrum due to a bad personal experience.

Instead of sulking online help your relative with their small problem.

We need to tear the system down guys, my granny is waiting for a text. It's a bleedin shambles. Disgrace.

lbj666

D.Q wrote: »

So funny when people come on bards having a tantrum due to a bad personal experience.

Instead of sulking online help your relative with their small problem.

We need to tear the system down guys, my granny is waiting for a text. It's a bleedin shambles. Disgrace.

While the criticism is unfounded as you point out....take it easy... waiting for the test results of an elderly relative is pretty stressful.

political analyst

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0224/1199147-vaccine-priority-list/

Aoife's cystic fibrosis is labelled as "stable" and not "severe". She says she will be remaining in Cohort 7, and not moving up to Cohort 4.

"I feel quite hopeless," she said. "There was a lot of hype that there was going to be some good news released, and I really did feel of a blanket release of positive news for vulnerable individuals and it's not.

"It's just an extremely disappointing time," she said.

Aoife is now part of the Vaccine4Vulnerable campaign, aimed at what they say is the inequality in vaccine distribution among the vulnerable in Ireland.

CF is CF. In all likelihood, Covid would be fatal for anyone in this country who has CF, given that sufferers in Britain have died of Covid. Therefore, the idea of one case of CF being less serious than another doesn't make sense. Does Ireland have an especially high proportionate number of CF sufferers?

cameramonkey

political analyst wrote: »

Does Ireland have an especially high proportionate number of CF sufferers?

yes, the highest in the world.

lucernarian

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0224/1199147-vaccine-priority-list/



CF is CF. In all likelihood, Covid would be fatal for anyone in this country who has CF, given that sufferers in Britain have died of Covid. Therefore, the idea of one case of CF being less serious than another doesn't make sense. Does Ireland have an especially high proportionate number of CF sufferers?

With 1100 sufferers of CF in Ireland, I think it's nuts that that any of those would not be in cohort 4.

is_that_so

lucernarian wrote: »

With 1100 sufferers of CF in Ireland, I think it's nuts that that any of those would not be in cohort 4.

Some of them might be.


Part of the Group 4 definition.

"Chronic severe respiratory disease, for example: severe cystic fibrosis, severe COPD, severe pulmonary fibrosis."

lucernarian

is_that_so wrote: »

Some of them might be.


Part of the Group 4 definition.

"Chronic severe respiratory disease, for example: severe cystic fibrosis, severe COPD, severe pulmonary fibrosis."

If you looked at the rte article and the categorization you posted, you would see that not all CF sufferers are regarded as severe cases.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

FlubberJones wrote: »

Italy seem to be improving, my partner's mother lives in Calabria and has been contacted by her doctor, he has said he will be arriving on Monday next week and will be delivering a vaccine shot.

Things are getting better. Most EU countries are jabbing about 0.25% of their populations each day now. It was about 0.15% a couple of weeks ago. About another month before we reach UK levels of 0.5% a day, I reckon.

is_that_so

lucernarian wrote: »

If you looked at the rte article and the categorization you posted, you would see that not all CF sufferers are regarded as severe cases.

That definition is from the gov.ie group categorizations.

lucernarian

is_that_so wrote: »

That definition is from the gov.ie group categorizations.

I'm well aware, I don't know what point you're trying to make here. Maybe reread the RTÉ article where they talk to the person who has CF and isn't in cohort 4.

is_that_so

lucernarian wrote: »

I'm well aware, I don't know what point you're trying to make here. Maybe reread the RTÉ article where they talk to the person who has CF and isn't in cohort 4.

I've shared a section from the official definition of Group 4. You do with that as you please. I wasn't aware the RTE article was required reading but I do know that Henry has said they will work through the list in a particular order.

astrofool

titan18 wrote: »

Does the EU actually have Novartis ordered and how much if so?

Are you talking about NovaVax? Novartis is a manufacturer of multiple vaccines.

EU is ordering 100m-200m Novavax vaccines.

davetherave

Jim McGuinness said that on Clare Byrne earlier on today.
They start talking about Vaccines at the 14:00 minute mark

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/items/32758?date=2021-03-09

Then go to "What went wrong in Davy's and where do they go from here?10:00 • 9 MAR 21 David McWilliams, economist and John McGuinness, Fianna Fáil TD"


CB: You'd be forgiven for asking now, what have these big pharma companies got against Ireland

JMcG: Well what is Ireland not doing in relation to the purchase of vaccine is the other question. Other countries have made arrangements with other individual countries to purchase extra vaccine. I know for a fact because I gave the information to the Minister that an American supplier is willing to arrange supply of vaccine for Ireland. So we are not playing here with a determination to get vaccine for the full population as quickly as possible.

He doesn't say who, how many, when. Is he talking out of his hole? You'd think a multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical company would have the clout to talk to the HSE / Minister for Health directly rather than call up random TD and ask him to pass on a message to his buddy.

lucernarian

is_that_so wrote: »

I've shared a section from the official definition of Group 4. You do with that as you please. I wasn't aware the RTE article was required reading but I do know that Henry has said they will work through the list in a particular order.

So you comment at me, where I had replied to someone discussing the story they had linked?

Anyway, I can't understand why they'd split a group who are clearly vulnerable to covid into "severe" and "not so severe" cohorts. It's a population of just 1100.