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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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    #6152
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »


    Not quite. It was in Wales and Tesco has apologised and rectified the situation.

    Ok. Weird I couldn't find the Twitter post


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    #6153
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭The HorsesMouth


    prunudo wrote: »
    That is all well and good, but given the amount of exemptions to type of work allowed and that schools are open I don't understand why they are being so draconian on it. Tesco and the likes have always sold mixed goods, not like they are trying to capitalise on the closure of other shops.

    Agree with all this. The closure of clothes shops and non essential retail to me makes no sense. They did a study in US or UK, I can't remember, which said retail was the cause of a negligible amount of virus spread.
    I walked into Dunnes the other day to see it all closed off and it was the first time I felt like I was going to lose the plot with anger. Not with Dunnes or anything but with the government etc for implementing ridiculous petty restrictions when there's no need. The 5km rule is another one.


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    #6154
    bb1234567
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Does anybody actually understand the logic behind closing the clothes end of Dunnes and Tesco etc ? Why is it more dangerous to buy a pair of PJs than it is to buy a bag of spuds .? I genuinely cannot figure it out .In the first lockdown at least we could buy a blessed T shirt if we needed it

    It's to discourage people leaving the house and being out and about and you can't close places that provide food so this is where that leaves us


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    #6155
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It's to discourage people leaving the house and being out and about and you can't close places that provide food so this is where that leaves us

    Yup... it is to stop people heading out to browse around the clothes section for "something to do"


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    #6156
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It's to discourage people leaving the house and being out and about and you can't close places that provide food so this is where that leaves us
    It would be a whole lot clearer to just shut shopping centres. It's less about people and more about minimising the number of retail hit by Level 5.


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    #6157
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭prunudo


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It's to discourage people leaving the house and being out and about and you can't close places that provide food so this is where that leaves us

    But people are leaving the house for so many various reasons its an over the top reaction. I'd understand if we were in a proper level 5 strict lockdown but we're not. The authorities may think we are in the strictest level but we're are not. Its level 4 at best.


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    #6158
    khalessi
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    So the Department received a letter in August about the hand sanitiser

    https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2020/10/23/school-hand-sanitiser-concerns-raised-in-local-mans-letter-to-minister-in-august/


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    #6159
    mloc123
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    prunudo wrote: »
    That is all well and good, but given the amount of exemptions to type of work allowed and that schools are open I don't understand why they are being so draconian on it. Tesco and the likes have always sold mixed goods, not like they are trying to capitalise on the closure of other shops.

    And as has been pointed out hundreds, maybe thousands of times now.... some types of work and education are viewed as being essential services, having a browse for new clothes in Tesco because you have nothing else to fill your time is not.


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    #6160
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    The HorsesMouth wrote: »
    Agree with all this. The closure of clothes shops and non essential retail to me makes no sense. They did a study in US or UK, I can't remember, which said retail was the cause of a negligible amount of virus spread.
    I walked into Dunnes the other day to see it all closed off and it was the first time I felt like I was going to lose the plot with anger. Not with Dunnes or anything but with the government etc for implementing ridiculous petty restrictions when there's no need. The 5km rule is another one.

    Even if I agree with you that non essential retail is negligible there is a problem.

    The golf is negligible. The hair dressers is negligible. Retail is negligible.

    Guess what?

    3 Negligible figures isn't negligible anymore.

    Everyone can't get their negligible activity back.

    The other problem of course is that non essential retail (like the bars and pubs) are likely to create cases from community transmission that are harder to trace. So its difficult to prove an effect even if its present.


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    #6161
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭prunudo


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Yup... it is to stop people heading out to browse around the clothes section for "something to do"

    Not my thing and understand its how some people spend their free time, but surely browsing in Tesco or dunnes clothes section isnt the same as going into various individual clothes shop. What the former stock is surely on the essential end of clothing rather tham the fashion end.


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    #6162
    TonyMaloney
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    mloc123 wrote: »
    Yup... it is to stop people heading out to browse around the clothes section for "something to do"

    No, as mentioned a page ago it's about competition.

    It's seen as unfair for dunnes/tesco to continue selling clothes etc while their rivals are forced to shut.


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    #6163
    is_that_so
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Even if I agree with you that non essential retail is negligible there is a problem.

    The golf is negligible. The hair dressers is negligible. Retail is negligible.

    Guess what?

    3 Negligible figures isn't negligible anymore.

    Everyone can't get their negligible activity back.

    The other problem of course is that non essential retail (like the bars and pubs) are likely to create cases from community transmission that are harder to trace. So its difficult to prove an effect even if its present.
    If the total level of negligible adds up to less than 1% it's still absolutely negligible and makes it look like anything that can be closed should be is the strategy. That's not living with this nor sustainable.


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    #6164
    Liberalbrehon
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Liberalbrehon


    Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.


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    #6165
    prunudo
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    No, as mentioned a page ago it's about competition.

    It's seen as unfair for dunnes/tesco to continue selling clothes etc while their rivals are forced to shut.

    So its not about protecting people from covid or allowing people have access to essential items, its because one company or business group were in the ear of a politician.


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    #6166
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Liberalbrehon wrote: »
    Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
    Nor is a one line cliché evidence of coherent thought!


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    #6167
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    prunudo wrote: »
    Not my thing and understand its how some people spend their free time, but surely browsing in Tesco or dunnes clothes section isnt the same as going into various individual clothes shop. What the former stock is surely on the essential end of clothing rather tham the fashion end.

    My friend works in Tesco, back in March/April he said that people doing their shopping wasn't an issue... but people coming in for "a look", sometimes the same people a couple of times a day were. Their clothes section was a separate unit and they ended up closing it at the time (without being told to).

    I don't get the sudden urge for everyone to go buy some cheap clothes in Tesco tho... surely you can live for 6 weeks without buying new clothes..


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    #6168
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭The HorsesMouth


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Even if I agree with you that non essential retail is negligible there is a problem.

    The golf is negligible. The hair dressers is negligible. Retail is negligible.

    Guess what?

    3 Negligible figures isn't negligible anymore.

    Everyone can't get their negligible activity back.

    The other problem of course is that non essential retail (like the bars and pubs) are likely to create cases from community transmission that are harder to trace. So its difficult to prove an effect even if its present.

    But there is a blur between the essential and non essential retail shops. Look at what is going on in Dunnes. If you just left that section of the economy open there would be no blur and people would be able to shop and keep the economy going a bit more.


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    #6169
    is_that_so
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    mloc123 wrote: »
    My friend works in Tesco, back in March/April he said that people doing their shopping wasn't an issue... but people coming in for "a look", sometimes the same people a couple of times a day were. Their clothes section was a separate unit and they ended up closing it at the time (without being told to).

    I don't get the sudden urge for everyone to go buy some cheap clothes in Tesco tho... surely you can live for 6 weeks without buying new clothes..
    Because it's what they do. Why, oh why aren't other people like me?!


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    #6170
    Jim_Hodge
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Ok. Weird I couldn't find the Twitter post

    Maybe look beyond Twitter for news.


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    #6171
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭prunudo


    mloc123 wrote: »
    My friend works in Tesco, back in March/April he said that people doing their shopping wasn't an issue... but people coming in for "a look", sometimes the same people a couple of times a day were. Their clothes section was a separate unit and they ended up closing it at the time (without being told to).

    I don't get the sudden urge for everyone to go buy some cheap clothes in Tesco tho... surely you can live for 6 weeks without buying new clothes..

    I don't understand people who would want to browse any clothes shop let alone the section in Tesco. Its not so much the sudden urge but it would be nice that in the next 5 weeks should I need to get some new item of clothing, whether its socks, a wholly hat or whatever it may be that there is an option for me to do that.


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    #6173
    rob316
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    Can't go to work today as my washing machine broke so I had no clean socks. I went to dunnes to buy some and they wouldn't sell them to me at it was against the law. I've had to buy a new washing machine instead.


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    #6174
    mloc123
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    prunudo wrote: »
    I don't understand people who would want to browse any clothes shop let alone the section in Tesco. Its not so much the sudden urge but it would be nice that in the next 5 weeks should I need to get some new item of clothing, whether its socks, a wholly hat or whatever it may be that there is an option for me to do that.

    Well, you are in luck :) Based on my local Tesco... which has the clothes section closed off and a single line of essentials available (socks, underwear, baby grows etc..)

    You also have hundreds, or thousands of online shops that will sell you anything you want.


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    #6175
    Leftwaffe
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    I think in a few years time we will look back and think closing retail was a massive error. Just an assumption.

    The amount of virus spread in limited capacity stores has got to be absolutely negligible in comparison to the pay off economically.

    And don't tell me that miniscule spread in stores has to be stopped when I'm going into a school with 1000 odd people in it every day.


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    #6176
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    It looks like Italians aren't happy with more restrictions. Things like this have a habit of spreading on the Continent. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54701042


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    #6177
    Leftwaffe
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    mloc123 wrote: »
    You also have hundreds, or thousands of online shops that will sell you anything you want.

    Cool, going to tell my 97 year old grand mother and her mates to surf the Web for clothes.


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    #6178
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Well, you are in luck :) Based on my local Tesco... which has the clothes section closed off and a single line of essentials available (socks, underwear, baby grows etc..)

    You also have hundreds, or thousands of online shops that will sell you anything you want.

    TBF it's difficult to buy clothes online. Most people have to try something on to confirm a good fit.


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    #6179
    mloc123
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    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Cool, going to tell my 97 year old grand mother and her mates to surf the Web for clothes.

    I reckon some of the clothes they have might do them for 6 weeks... surely they aren't still having growth spurts :)


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    #6180
    mloc123
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    polesheep wrote: »
    TBF it's difficult to buy clothes online. Most people have to try something on to confirm a good fit.

    I think socks and underwear are relatively easy to get right... that is what everyone is now panicking about right? I guess the fear from all men is that their mam might not get to buy their annual supply for xmas :)


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    #6181
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    polesheep wrote: »
    It looks like Italians aren't happy with more restrictions. Things like this have a habit of spreading on the Continent. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54701042


    Italy has a big problem with ultras who now have no football to go to.
    Remember Sean Cox. While most Italians are pissed off the nasty element always takes advantage.

    https://twitter.com/Irenls_/status/1320979489174769664?s=20


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