FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Cluedo Monopoly

I really don't see a GE until Spring 2022 at the very earliest.
Will Leo get his go? Hard to say. FF wont want the comparison. The next election will be fascinating.

Loafing Oaf

blanch152 wrote: »

The numbers were there to form such a government, but the Greens, Labour and the SDs wanted nothing to do with them. PBP eventually gave up waiting for SF to talk to them.

No they weren't. Such a government would have required the support of a number of independent TDs of the Healy Rae/Lowry/Grealish stripe which was never going to be forthcoming. Smaller left parties could see this straight away, and that is why they did not engage seriously with SF. Why compromise themselves and give the impression that they would be willing lackeys of SF if there was no realistic prospect of getting into government at the end of the process?

McMurphy

Finty Lemon wrote: »

We shot the cattle in 2001 to prevent movement. Is that the way forward?

Bertie Ahern, Brid Rogers, Ian Paisley etc all met up and discussed solutions, including a cessation of animals being transferred across the border in either direction, and a British - island* of Ireland ban on import/export of livestock.

Yet Michaél shouldn't be entertaining any notion of an all island approach with the British govt and the executive.

*Citation needed apparently.

Bannasidhe

Finty Lemon wrote: »

We shot the cattle in 2001 to prevent movement. Is that the way forward?

As opposed to watching our elderly die alone through a nursing home window?

Bannasidhe

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Stating they are unfit by any other party of SF or any other party is certainly not undemocratic, or excluding them on those grounds.
It is the very essence of democracy, the fact that the right is there to state and do it.

Refusing to even talk to them on the grounds they are unfit is undemocratic.
That's not up to FF or MM to decide.

Finty Lemon

McMurphy wrote: »

Bertie Ahern, Brid Rogers, Ian Paisley etc all met up and discussed solutions, including a cessation of animals being transferred across the border in either direction, and a British - island* of Ireland ban on import/export of livestock.

Yet Michaél shouldn't be entertaining any notion of an all island approach with the British govt and the executive.

*Citation needed apparently.

Yes. Paisley agreed to it. Now you are getting the idea why its totally different to the current situation. Thank you for clarifying.

McMurphy

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Yes. Paisley agreed to it. Now you are getting the idea why its totally different to the current situation. Thank you for clarifying.

This is an interesting development......

The Taoiseach of Ireland only attends meetings to discuss things in which one of the other participants will pre-agree to the proposals...

Re-read what you just posted back to yourself Finty.

RandomViewer

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I really don't see a GE until Spring 2022 at the very earliest.
Will Leo get his go? Hard to say. FF wont want the comparison. The next election will be fascinating.

Can see foot dragging on Covid just to push it back further

Whatisthisnow

RandomViewer wrote: »

Can see foot dragging on Covid just to push it back further

Won't be able to do that, in 4 months 80% of adults will have 1st jab. If they don't get anywhere near that % i can see a 2021 election

Finty Lemon

McMurphy wrote: »

This is an interesting development......

The Taoiseach of Ireland only attends meetings to discuss things in which one of the other participants will pre-agree to the proposals...

Re-read what you just posted back to yourself Finty.

The concepts of back channel diplomacy , and scoping, seem to be lost on you. Do you think that international meetings are called with a blank page agenda?

Cluedo Monopoly

RandomViewer wrote: »

Can see foot dragging on Covid just to push it back further

The opposition isn't going to bring down a government that is shooting itself in the foot every other week.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The concepts of back channel diplomacy , and scoping, seem to be lost on you. Do you think that international meetings are called with a blank page agenda?

All over the shop. McMurphy's point still stands and you are running from it.

RandomViewer

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Won't be able to do that, in 4 months 80% of adults will have 1st jab. If they don't get anywhere near that % i can see a 2021 election

We were told there would be 100k vaccinations this week, going by the figures last night it was nowhere near

Finty Lemon

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

All over the shop. McMurphy's point still stands and you are running from it.

"A proposal for an immediate ban on travel from Britain to Northern Ireland has been defeated in a vote by the Stormont Executive.

Sinn Féin proposed the ban to combat the potential spread of a new, more contagious variant of Covid-19 during a remote meeting on Sunday.

The proposal was supported by the SDLP but opposed by DUP and UUP and Alliance Party.

After the proposal was defeated, ministers agreed, without a formal vote, to support recommendation by Health Minister Robin Swann to issue guidance against non-essential travel between Northern Ireland and Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic."

Finty Lemon

Grandstanding about the Taoiseachs capacity to change this is nonsense

Finty Lemon

RandomViewer wrote: »

We were told there would be 100k vaccinations this week, going by the figures last night it was nowhere near

254,000 first dose
136,000 second dose complete

Nowhere near 100k. Far above it in fact.

Whatisthisnow

Finty Lemon wrote: »

254,000 first dose
136,000 second dose complete

Nowhere near 100k. Far above it in fact.

He stated there has been nowhere near 100k done this week.

The poster specifically said THIS WEEK

Bubbaclaus

RandomViewer wrote: »

We were told there would be 100k vaccinations this week, going by the figures last night it was nowhere near

What figures last night? Figures released up to last night would have only included 2/7ths of the week. How do you know what happened in the remaining 5 days, including today and tomorrow, to know whether they are going to hit target or not?

Latest figures today showed another 18k doses were given on Wednesday.

Bubbaclaus

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

There has been nowhere near 100k done this week.

The poster specifically said THIS WEEK

Source? We won't have the final data for this week until Wednesday, so I am fascinated to know where you are getting it 4 days early.

McMurphy

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The concepts of back channel diplomacy , and scoping, seem to be lost on you. Do you think that international meetings are called with a blank page agenda?

Put down the shovel and stop digging Finty, there's a good lad.

Whatisthisnow

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Source? We won't have the final data for this week until Wednesday, so I am fascinated to know where you are getting it 4 days early.

You would have to ask the person who said it were he gets his info from

Bubbaclaus

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

You would have to ask the person who said it were he gets his info from

You said these exact words mate. "There has been nowhere near 100k done this week."

You have since edited your post to cover that up, but unfortunately for you the original can still be seen in my response when quoting you.

So what is your source for that comment? Or did you just make it up?

Whatisthisnow

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You said these exact words mate. "There has been nowhere near 100k done this week."

Leo is a liar

You have since edited your post to cover that up, but unfortunately for you the original can still be seen in my response when quoting you.

So what is your source for that comment? Or did you just make it up?

I was going by random viewer, a poster i respect

Floppybits

McMurphy wrote: »

Put down the shovel and stop digging Finty, there's a good lad.

Ah his shift is nearly is over. Someone else will be along to take over.

Bishop of hope

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Refusing to even talk to them on the grounds they are unfit is undemocratic.
That's not up to FF or MM to decide.

LOL, then who is it up to?

Finty Lemon

McMurphy wrote: »

Put down the shovel and stop digging Finty, there's a good lad.

The question still stands. How could the Taoiseach change and internal UK policy? Voted on and rejected by Stormont to boot?
Why did SF not deliver on the vote in their jurisdiction?

Finty Lemon

Floppybits wrote: »

Ah his shift is nearly is over. Someone else will be along to take over.

Great work if you can get it

Finty Lemon

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has played down suggestions that the Government was progressing a “two-island solution” to travel restrictions and quarantine with the UK government.

Mr Martin told reporters on Friday afternoon that ministers had held talks with their UK counterparts on joint approaches but that the discussions were “very exploratory and very embryonic”.

He was speaking after Green Party TD Ossian Smyth said a new level of Anglo-Irish cooperation was required.

A majority of infections in the Republic were now the UK strain, said the Government TD, and “that just goes to show how ineffective it is to bring in controls on one part of the island of Ireland that don’t apply across the rest.

“It’s for that reason that we’re in contact with the UK government - it may not be possible to get an agreement from Northern Ireland to do something different from Britain but - in contact with the government in Westminster. I believe that they will shortly be announcing something which we can go along with,” Mr Smyth said.

“We need a two-island solution rather than just our country bringing in measures that then lead to flow from the North, if you’re coming to Ireland and facing a two-week mandatory quarantine in a hotel in Dublin and your alternative is a two-hour drive from Belfast, nobody is going to go through Dublin and then we’ll have even less visibility of who has come into the country,” Mr Smyth told the Today with Claire Byrne Show on RTÉ Radio One.

Asked about the feasibility of the two-island solution, Mr Martin said “it could be pursued. There’s lots of issues around implementation and delivery on that.” But he played down expectations of an imminent agreement.

Asked if he had spoken to British prime minister Boris Johnson about the idea, he said: “Yeah. That work… we’ll have further discussions. I know the Minister for Health has been talking to [British] Minister [Matt] Hancock about that; I know the two transport ministers have been talking about it. I’ve spoken to Arlene Foster and Michelle O’Neill about this last week, we had a meeting.”

Mr Martin acknowledged that the difference in the approach between Dublin and Belfast could diminish the impact of any new restrictions.

“The Northern Executive would have a different perspective on flights from Great Britain into Northern Ireland, and that is problematic. That creates an obvious issue. We’re not in a position to seal the entire border; there’s never been a policy position to seal the entire island either. So therefore the two-island context is one that could be pursued,” he said.

Talks held. NI politicians not interested.

McMurphy

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The question still stands. How could the Taoiseach change and internal UK policy? Voted on and rejected by Stormont to boot?
Why did SF not deliver on the vote in their jurisdiction?

Through meetings and diplomacy, even if they're through back channels and clandestine, what you suggested earlier was that he couldn't and shouldn't get involved because the DUP wouldn't agree.

It's as important to the 26 counties as it is to Britain and the north that we should be exploring the possibilities of introducing an all island approach to dealing with covid.

I have given you an example of how there's form for dealing with these things (foot and mouth).

Btw, the DUP didn't actually ever agree with, nor did they ever sign up to the GFA. Bertie was still front and centre during those talks.

Mull over that one for a while.

Finty Lemon

McMurphy wrote: »

Through meetings and diplomacy, even if they're through back channels and clandestine, what you suggested earlier was that he couldn't and shouldn't get involved because the DUP wouldn't agree.

It's as important to the 26 counties as it is to Britain and the north that we should be exploring the possibilities of introducing an all island approach to dealing with covid.

I have given you an example of how there's form for dealing with these things (foot and mouth).

Btw, the DUP didn't actually ever agree with, nor did they ever sign up to the GFA. Bertie was still front and centre during those talks.

Mull over that one for a while.

No comparison between foot and mouth and Covid.
A moronic notion