Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

weldoninhio

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Don't worry if something goes wrong it'll be the public's fault

Media will be instructed to stockpile pics of people outdoor drinking until the **** hits the fan in Nursing Homes again.

bucketybuck

Cork2021 wrote: »

How is this already being reported. 1 week if we are all on our best behaviour Mein Führer Tony will let us go to my parents whose with the kids! Thanks so much prick

Its laughable, because we all know damn well that everybody will be travelling home at christmas whether NPHET like it or not.

They are going to let us visit our family at christmas? Who are they fooling, they have no ****ing choice in the matter.

emo72

How the **** they are letting them do their daily press conference is beyond me. The plug needs to be pulled on that immediately.

It's hurting the national psyche, daily beatings from Tony.

It would be better if he actually worked on protecting care homes and hospitals, rather than spending hours everyday preparing for press conference.

prunudo

Cork2021 wrote: »

How is this already being reported. 1 week if we are all on our best behaviour Mein Führer Tony will let us go to my parents whose with the kids! Thanks so much prick

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/plan-to-lift-home-visit-restrictions-for-week-of-christmas-39768600.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR3yBOCViViM4y-JTHOg5rJN5wqHPO3vc5B97Tjmm7tYV9h5n5tOktVXD4Y

The government have to be very careful how they play this, it won't take much for them to completely loose the public.
I don't believe it should be a free for all on Dec 1st but there needs to be opening of retail, hairdressing and relaxation of household visits at a bare minimum.

Peter Flynt

People will be asked to restrict themselves to one main gathering over Christmas with THEIR FAMILIES.

As someone working in a school with 1000+ people with social distancing not possible I have to laugh.

Holohan, Varadkar, Nolan, Martin, Glynn and all the other shysters can go f**k off.

I'll meet who I want and when I want over Xmas.

prunudo

emo72 wrote: »

How the **** they are letting them do their daily press conference is beyond me. The plug needs to be pulled on that immediately.

It's hurting the national psyche, daily beatings from Tony.

It would be better if he actually worked on protecting care homes and hospitals, rather than spending hours everyday preparing for press conference.

Not disagreeing with your points but the press briefings are only twice a week. Problem is the tweets and other reports are constant.

patnor1011

Despite Vaccine Hope, Travel Spending Won't Recover Until 2024

Despite the positive news surrounding drugmaker Pfizer and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine development, along with encouraging results from Oxford-AstraZeneca's vaccine, people should realize that vaccines may not revert today's chaotic world to pre-covid times.

For instance, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates warned Tuesday at the New York Times' Dealbook conference that the virus pandemic will fundamentally reshape business travel and the office experience forever.

Gates said, "my prediction would be that over 50% of business travel and over 30% of days in the office will go away."

He added, "We will go to the office somewhat, we'll do some business travel, but dramatically less."

What Gates suggests is that structural change, such as video conferencing and remote working, will fundamentally change how corporations conduct business. These changes will have negative impacts on the travel industry and commercial real estate.

Given some of the structural changes in play - it's becoming clear that a vaccine will not be the saving grace as pitched by Wall Street and the Trump administration. The freight train of structural change has left the station as a new economic order is being laid down for the decade ahead and will produce permanent declines for specific industries.

The air travel industry will be one of those to experience a slump that could last for years. Business travel, the backbone of air travel demand, as Gates explains above, will be halved.

For more clarity on this topic, the U.S. Travel Association (USTA) projects travel spending will decline by more than $500 billion in 2020 and may not recover back to pre-covid levels until 2024.

USTA said the dramatic decline in travel spending reflects the plunge in business travel. The group said the travel industry has lost 40%, or 3.5 million jobs, and warned more than one million jobs could be lost if additional government bailouts aren't seen by year-end.

The pessimistic forecast comes as vaccine headlines have generated buzz on Wall Street of an imminent economic recovery. Still, as we highlighted above, no matter what vaccines are commercialized and distributed, there are structural changes underway that will forever reshape how the economy functions.

The development of vaccines is the old "chase the carrot" trick used by the government and Wall Street to remind people how these wonder drugs could take us back to pre-covid days. Just like a carrot was tied to a stick in front of a wagon's mule to make them step forward and walk ahead ... the mule was never able to reach the carrot.

Goodbye cheap air travel and cheap holidays it was good while it lasted

_Kaiser_

Newstalk said there a few minutes ago that the R number (remember that and how it was the key number not that long ago) is around 0.8/9, yet this morning's NPHET interview still peddling the 'need to do more' narrative.

Report a few minutes earlier about Gardai increasing patrols in parks etc and more checkpoints over the next few days and a quote from some former Garda a few minutes earlier about how it's an offence not to give your details with fines and threats of arrest mentioned.

And to top it off, the Indo saying that we will be "let" see family the week of Christmas!

Enough is enough. If people haven't already done so, I'd encourage you all to mail your government TD's and express your concerns over this "plan". Don't rant, be polite, but make your feelings known. These people and groups need to be reminded that they represent and work for us - not the other way around.

SNNUS

I wonder did they ramp up ICU beds in this 6 week lockdown..

funnydoggy

SNNUS wrote: »

I wonder did they ramp up ICU beds in this 6 week lockdown..

Be proactive you mean?


Are we on about the same NPHET? :pac::D

BeefeaterHat

patnor1011 wrote: »

Despite Vaccine Hope, Travel Spending Won't Recover Until 2024

Despite the positive news surrounding drugmaker Pfizer and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine development, along with encouraging results from Oxford-AstraZeneca's vaccine, people should realize that vaccines may not revert today's chaotic world to pre-covid times.

For instance, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates warned Tuesday at the New York Times' Dealbook conference that the virus pandemic will fundamentally reshape business travel and the office experience forever.

Gates said, "my prediction would be that over 50% of business travel and over 30% of days in the office will go away."

He added, "We will go to the office somewhat, we'll do some business travel, but dramatically less."

What Gates suggests is that structural change, such as video conferencing and remote working, will fundamentally change how corporations conduct business. These changes will have negative impacts on the travel industry and commercial real estate.

Given some of the structural changes in play - it's becoming clear that a vaccine will not be the saving grace as pitched by Wall Street and the Trump administration. The freight train of structural change has left the station as a new economic order is being laid down for the decade ahead and will produce permanent declines for specific industries.

The air travel industry will be one of those to experience a slump that could last for years. Business travel, the backbone of air travel demand, as Gates explains above, will be halved.

For more clarity on this topic, the U.S. Travel Association (USTA) projects travel spending will decline by more than $500 billion in 2020 and may not recover back to pre-covid levels until 2024.

USTA said the dramatic decline in travel spending reflects the plunge in business travel. The group said the travel industry has lost 40%, or 3.5 million jobs, and warned more than one million jobs could be lost if additional government bailouts aren't seen by year-end.

The pessimistic forecast comes as vaccine headlines have generated buzz on Wall Street of an imminent economic recovery. Still, as we highlighted above, no matter what vaccines are commercialized and distributed, there are structural changes underway that will forever reshape how the economy functions.

The development of vaccines is the old "chase the carrot" trick used by the government and Wall Street to remind people how these wonder drugs could take us back to pre-covid days. Just like a carrot was tied to a stick in front of a wagon's mule to make them step forward and walk ahead ... the mule was never able to reach the carrot.

Goodbye cheap air travel and cheap holidays it was good while it lasted

I think the air travel sector is simply too big to not bounce back. People are chomping at the bit to get abroad ASAP and if fares increase too much, airlines will only shoot themselves in the foot. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part

Cork2021

We’ve been warned!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-progress-stalls-and-r-number-rises-as-nphet-warns-a-lot-depends-on-the-next-few-days-1.4413946?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR2jxId6ReQfbccF9aIrsyHtaFRV6_CYVPA8M5_WjW8mZiNkMHLdNpEUfKc

Stormyteacup

UK moving already to propose public sector pay freeze. Only a matter of time until they begin their campaign here.

Maybe then it will become evident how ‘in it together’ we really are.

Creative strategies and cleverly named tax schemes won’t disguise the financial hit coming for many so far unaffected.

Damage is done but it’s still in people’s best interests to push for alternative strategies for living with Covid.

kippy

Stormyteacup wrote: »

UK moving already to propose public sector pay freeze. Only a matter of time until they begin their campaign here.

Maybe then it will become evident how ‘in it together’ we really are.

Creative strategies and cleverly named tax schemes won’t disguise the financial hit coming for many so far unaffected.

Damage is done but it’s still in people’s best interests to push for alternative strategies for living with Covid.

If there are people in this country who think this won't have a financial implication for them at some point, I'd be very surprised.

Patrick2010

SNNUS wrote: »

I wonder did they ramp up ICU beds in this 6 week lockdown..

Figures from September...

• Pre-Covid capacity: 225
• Temporary surge capacity: 354
• Current permanent capacity: 280
• Capacity after Winter Plan funding: 297

We have currently 32 patients with Covid in ICU so unless theres a real surge we should be ok.

brisan

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

I think the air travel sector is simply too big to not bounce back. People are chomping at the bit to get abroad ASAP and if fares increase too much, airlines will only shoot themselves in the foot. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part

While airlines depend on people going on 2 week holidays in Spain and stags and hens in Prague or the football trips on a Saturday ,its not their bread and butter

Its the business traveller who does one or two day return trips 3 or 4 times a month that make them their profit
I have done a few trips to Holland and Germany for supposedly training purposes and I was amazed at the numbers in Dublin airport at 6.30 am
Look at the number of daily flights to london,all business trips
That's where the money is

brisan

kippy wrote: »

If there are people in this country who think this won't have a financial implication for them at some point, I'd be very surprised.

The civil service looked after themselves the last time with the pre 2011 staff protections
It will be the same this time
Its those of us with Private jobs who will take the hit
If you have property ,a pension or savings i would be very worried (I have all 3 )
VAT rates on Luxury items will soar
What is deemed to be a luxury will be interesting
Someone has to pay and the ECB will turn off the QE if its being used for UB and not investment

average_runner

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

I think the air travel sector is simply too big to not bounce back. People are chomping at the bit to get abroad ASAP and if fares increase too much, airlines will only shoot themselves in the foot. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part

Already booked our hols for next year.

Regarding business travel, alot of the travel is not needed, so good for the climate if they are cut back

average_runner

brisan wrote: »

The civil service looked after themselves the last time with the pre 2011 staff protections
It will be the same this time
Its those of us with Private jobs who will take the hit
If you have property ,a pension or savings i would be very worried (I have all 3 )
VAT rates on Luxury items will soar
What is deemed to be a luxury will be interesting
Someone has to pay and the ECB will turn off the QE if its being used for UB and not investment

I be more worried for renters, than people with properties.

FintanMcluskey

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rte-stars-apologise-for-posing-for-photos-while-attending-impromptu-leaving-party-during-level-5-restrictions-39769601.html

The 1950s Catholic Church ethos is alive and well

Ginger n Lemon

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rte-stars-apologise-for-posing-for-photos-while-attending-impromptu-leaving-party-during-level-5-restrictions-39769601.html

The 1950s Catholic Church ethos is alive and well

Mad.

Tony H going to late late in level 5.

Then yesterday giving out about people still going to work to earn living. plebs.

2020 is truly the year of idiots and liars. and double standards...

Ashleigh1986

Nphet want to see the numbers going down ...YET IN IRELAND ...

First story ... A family of around 50 travel from Dublin airport to Spain, and are allowed to drink alcohol, in Dublin airport without social distancing or wear masks.
They continue to drink on board flight and I'm sure will do whatever they want on return .

Second story ... Hse are taking over running of a nursing home where positive covid patients have been mixing with non covid residents .

And we have have professors on the media daily saying we should get the virus down to zero 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

facehugger99

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rte-stars-apologise-for-posing-for-photos-while-attending-impromptu-leaving-party-during-level-5-restrictions-39769601.html

The 1950s Catholic Church ethos is alive and well

The fearmongers in chief. The people who've spent the last 9 months broadcasting fear and hysteria 24/7.

Pull back the curtain and they're not even buying the sh;te they're selling.

road_high

kippy wrote: »

If there are people in this country who think this won't have a financial implication for them at some point, I'd be very surprised.

If? A quick scan through any of these threads you’ll find plenty in economic cloud cuckooo land

road_high

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Nphet want to see the numbers going down ...YET IN IRELAND ...

First story ... A family of around 50 travel from Dublin airport to Spain, and are allowed to drink alcohol, in Dublin airport without social distancing or wear masks.
They continue to drink on board flight and I'm sure will do whatever they want on return .

Second story ... Hse are taking over running of a nursing home where positive covid patients have been mixing with non covid residents .

And we have have professors on the media daily saying we should get the virus down to zero 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

Fair fcuks to them. Living their lives. I only wish I could join them

AssetBacked2

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/stalled-progress-suggests-varadkar-was-right-in-claire-byrne-interview-1.4413826?mode=amp

Stalled progress suggests Varadker was right in Claire Byrne interview

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/stephen-collins-government-must-assert-its-authority-over-nphet-1.4413793?mode=amp

Government must assert its authority over NPHET

Some good pieces to read on a Friday morning. What is also promising is that most of the comments and highest likes are for comments which are against NPHET. Let's hope this continues and we accept Level 3 as the worst level to go to until the vulnerable get their vaccine / summer tourist season kicks off (whichever is sooner).

brisan

average_runner wrote: »

I be more worried for renters, than people with properties.

Why ?
2938 properties for rent in Dublin today ,many of them multiple lets
That compares to about 900 in January this year
WFH will ease the pressure on rental properties in Dublin
When I said I had property I meant a family home
Property tax will rise to make up a shortfall in commercial rates

kippy

road_high wrote: »

If? A quick scan through any of these threads you’ll find plenty in economic cloud cuckooo land

I didn't say there wouldnt be a battle to maintain current standards but deep down people know where they stand.

You'd be happier for the weak to die anyway, is your economic policy similiar?

Stormyteacup

brisan wrote: »

Why ?
2938 properties for rent in Dublin today ,many of them multiple lets
That compares to about 900 in January this year
WFH will ease the pressure on rental properties in Dublin
When I said I had property I meant a family home
Property tax will rise to make up a shortfall in commercial rates

Yes agree. In fact renters may do okay out of this, can see rent cap/freeze coming in some shape or form. Depending on tax take from private landlords versus companies, a figure I don’t know, there are ways to offset reduction in tax revenue from private lets by increasing tax liability from property conglomerates.

Property tax most definitely increasing.

road_high

kippy wrote: »

I didn't say there wouldnt be a battle to maintain current standards but deep down people know where they stand.

You'd be happier for the weak to die anyway, is your economic policy similiar?

Same as ever- slam that emotional guilt button based on your “feelings” rather than listening to anything else people may have said. I guess that helps with the moral superiority up there on the high ground