Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Rockerfellers, Rothschilds, International banks (IMF) etc.. World Elites, NWO; whatever people call them nowadays.

Bill Gates is heavily involved...

...and there we have it. Covid conspiracy thread thataway >>>

Seweryn

Penfailed wrote: »

Anyone with half an ounce of wit would know that the visors weren't worth a shíte.

But that is the point. There are tons of shi-te are being shuffled through the media and people believe it.

nofools

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

I didn't vote for politicians to implement severe curtailments to my daily life. I didn't elect them to construct a NPHET response team which has no economic or social arguments represented at their meetings. It is not in our interests to have these two bodies working together they way they have been in the response to covid. I think it is telling that the main leaders are older men who are lifelong public servants, very much indicative of a toxic type of person in Irish society.

It is very clear that the most toxic type of person to irish society exists in this thread talking anti science lies until they are blue in the face.

Nailed their flag to the mast in the summer and went down a rabbit hole that can never be returned from.

Open your minds a bit and face the situation.

nofools

nofools wrote: »

I am angry that people lack the intellect or self control or honesty or morality to not fall for conspiracy theories and the sort of ignorance that goes on here yes.

Any honest politician or businessman will tell you the following:
- always follow the money
- never let a crisis go to waste

nofools wrote: »

I have been locked down because of it, it is a very fair reaction.

You're partially locking yourself down. Why don't you do what a lot of other people are doing and get on with your life? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. You're wasting your time trying to convince others to fall in line. They're not buying the bs anymore. The dogs on the street know they're being lied to at this stage.

nofools

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

If it's so virulent that a medical mask is needed then it is not so impossible to believe most people have had covid already and rather than waiting for a vaccine, antibody testing should be rolled out to try and figure out how many people might have actually been infected already.

It is a question worth asking but random sampling of populations isn't showing that conclusion.

Miles off any notion of herd immunity (or being fatalistically endemic).

AssetBacked2

nofools wrote: »

It is very clear that the most toxic type of person to irish society exists in this thread talking anti science lies until they are blue in the face.

Nailed their flag to the mast in the summer and went down a rabbit hole that can never be returned from.

Open your minds a bit and face the situation.

Anti science lies?

Covid is an over 65s virus and the data clearly shows this. Do you disagree with this or not?

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

That will be a test of who the anti-science snake oil salesman actually is.

AssetBacked2

nofools wrote: »

It is a question worth asking but random sampling of populations isn't showing that conclusion.

Miles off any notion of herd immunity (or being fatalistically endemic).

Herd immunity? Why is that necessary?

Covid isn't the only thing out there and the effort involved to focus on covid until that is achieved would destroy the economy. It is quite clear that the biggest risk factor to covid is by being at the average life expectancy and having certain clinical underlying conditions. It is also certain that the vast, vast majority of young people (under 45s) barely register any symptoms worth shutting down society for.

normanoffside

I see there are now new Hospital outbreaks.

https://www.thejournal.ie/university-hospital-limerick-2-5263517-Nov2020/

That will bump up the Covid hospital numbers even more and Tony will use the Hospitalised 'with covid' stats to blame the public for the spread, recommending no easing of restrictions again.

Around in a merry go round we go, public get blamed and punished for Health service failings, NPHET sell it to the press as the public being to blame and restrictions must be kept on ordinary people.
The press lap it up sell it to the public as Tony says and the majority of the sheeple just suck it up.

I am really getting sick of this farce at this stage.

Penfailed

Seweryn wrote: »

Really? On what grounds?

Face masks have been proven to do harm but not proven to do good. Forcing citizens to wear them is a form of oppression. Support for mask wearing comes from individuals promoting face masks for political rather than health reasons. There is now considerable support for masks to be worn out of doors and even in the home. There is absolutely no scientific reason for this.

Scientific papers show clearly that masks are ineffective in preventing the movement of infective organisms. They also reduce oxygen levels and expose wearers to increased levels of carbon dioxide.

Wearing a mask for long periods could cause pulmonary fibrosis. Loose fibres are seen on all types of masks and may be inhaled causing serious lung damage.

Masks should be changed every four hours and old masks should be disposed of safely. If cloth masks are worn, they should be washed at high temperatures twice a day. Disposable masks should be discarded after one use. (Masks thrown down in the street are a serious health hazard.)

Evidence proving the danger and ineffectiveness of masks has been banned, blocked or deleted. Discussion and debate about the value of face masks is suppressed.

Mandatory face masks in schools are a major threat to child development.

Face masks are a wonderful breeding ground for bacteria and fungi.

Dentists have reported that mask wearing causes gum disease and dental cavities. The dentists say that face coverings lead to mouth dryness and an increase in the build-up of bacteria.

Some face masks may have pores five thousand times larger than virus particles. No mask material have pores smaller than the virus.

Masks should never be touched once in place. If a mask is touched it must be replaced immediately.

No one should wear a mask while exercising. There have been several reports of masked children dying while exercising. There is evidence showing that mask wearing reduces blood oxygen levels even when the wearer is standing still. Individuals who exercise are likely to sweat. Masks then become damp more quickly and the damp promotes the growth of microorganisms.

There is a risk that viruses may accumulate in the fabric of a mask – thereby increasing the amount of the virus being inhaled.

Some of the carbon dioxide exhaled with each breath is trapped behind the mask.

A mask can reduce blood oxygenation by up to 20% – leading to a possible loss of consciousness.

Masks are being used as a conditioning tool to make us more compliant.

The fact that the rules about mask wearing vary from place to place proves that there is no science behind the advice to wear masks. So, for example, why should the Cov. spread from person to person in a shop but not in an office?

There were no mask requirements in Sweden, and the mortality rate there remained below a bad flu season. The average age of Swedish citizens who died of Cov. was over 80 years.

Mask wearers are encouraged to demonise non-mask wearers (even if they are disabled in some way). This is part of the psychological warfare battle being fought.

There have been suggestions from various authorities that mask wearing and social distancing will need to be permanent. Imagine that...

Masks collect fungi, bacteria and viruses and because of the moist air exhaled they are an excellent breeding ground.

The reduction in blood oxygen and the increase in carbon dioxide, resulting from mask wearing, might cause a strain on the heart and kidneys.

Mask wearers are more likely to develop infection than non-mask wearers. This may be due to the fact that masks reduce blood oxygen levels and adversely affect natural immunity. It is likely that anyone who wears a face mask for long periods will have a damaged immune system – and be more susceptible to infection. Hypoxia for example can inhibit immune cells used to fight viral infections. Wearing a mask may make the wearer more likely to develop an infection – and if an infection develops it is likely to be worse.

Masks can cause hypercapnia (increased carbon dioxide). Symptoms of hypercapnia include drowsiness, dizziness and fatigue.

Although they have not been tested extensively, visors are probably just as useless as masks but they may be less dangerous to wearers.

Mask wearing is likely to do no good but a great deal of harm. The available evidence shows clearly that masks do not work but do have the potential to cause a variety of health and (importantly) psychological problems.

How much of that misinformation posted ^^^ was copied and pasted from a Facebook post?

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

...and there we have it. Covid conspiracy thread thataway >>>

You cut off the rest of the message... The RNA Pfizer/BioNTech was literally all over the news yesterday. They confirmed it would be at least two doses. ID2020 is up online a while. If you've had your eyes open to the news yesterday, and then did a simple Google search in relation to it's funding, you'd see what I said is true.

MelbourneMan

Seweryn wrote: »

Really? On what grounds?

Face masks have been proven to do harm but not proven to do good. Forcing citizens to wear them is a form of oppression. Support for mask wearing comes from individuals promoting face masks for political rather than health reasons.

Hello. You will find comprehensive authoritative detail in the link below which will explain the error in your frankly dangerous misunderstanding of the clear benefit of wearing masks.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

nofools

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Anti science lies?

Covid is an over 65s virus and the data clearly shows this. Do you disagree with this or not?

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

That will be a test of who the anti-science snake oil salesman actually is.

Before we play this game, do you acknowledge all the deaths in Europe this week and last?

Paints a picture of what can happen if you keep fighting it.

nofools

normanoffside wrote: »

I see there are now new Hospital outbreaks.

https://www.thejournal.ie/university-hospital-limerick-2-5263517-Nov2020/

That will bump up the Covid hospital numbers even more and Tony will use the Hospitalised 'with covid' stats to blame the public for the spread, recommending no easing of restrictions again.

Around in a merry go round we go, public get blamed and punished for Health service failings, NPHET sell it to the press as the public being to blame and restrictions must be kept on ordinary people.
The press lap it up sell it to the public as Tony says and the majority of the sheeple just suck it up.

I am really getting sick of this farce at this stage.

Where did you think the outbreaks came from?

end of the road

road_high wrote: »

I wonder why this paper cannot get published? Could it the answer is it's politically correct to do so?
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/major-mask-study-rejected-multiple-journals-amid-rumors-it-shows-masks

this information is already known and has been pointed out a plenty.
it's only those who are against mask wearing who keep mentioning them stopping covid, everyone else is already aware that it doesn't happen and are aware of the actual reasons that they need to wear them.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

masks are absolutely useless. over 90% of masks sold in the shops have "this mask does not protect against viruses" written on them.

We are living in some idiot world where the minute we stop doing something and cases rise the next day, idiots come out and say "ohhh cases are rising because we stopped doing X Y Z"

Funny enough the reverse does not happen. 10th of Aug onward cases started to increase. we also started doing something else on 10th of August. O well lets not question that particular measure. Cases started to rise because people got complacent, co incidentally 10th of August onward.

well of course they say that they don't protect against viruses, because they don't and it has never been claimed that they do.
the reason for masks isn't to stop you from getting covid or protect against it, it is to lessen the chance of someone giving it to someone else if they have it and are unaware, by lessening the droplets that get into the air when one coughs or sneezes.

Seweryn

Penfailed wrote: »

How much of that misinformation posted ^^^ was copied and pasted from a Facebook post?

None.

Does it matter though?

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You cut off the rest of the message... The RNA Pfizer/BioNTech was literally all over the news yesterday. They confirmed it would be at least two doses. ID2020 is up online a while. If you've had your eyes open to the news yesterday, and then did a simple Google search in relation to it's funding, you'd see what I said is true.

You're saying that it's why we've been locked down though. It doesn't make sense. Do you think Covid was invented in a lab and they already had a vaccine and were waiting for just the right moment to announce it?

3xh

normanoffside wrote: »

I see there are now new Hospital outbreaks.

https://www.thejournal.ie/university-hospital-limerick-2-5263517-Nov2020/

That will bump up the Covid hospital numbers even more and Tony will use the Hospitalised 'with covid' stats to blame the public for the spread, recommending no easing of restrictions again.

Around in a merry go round we go, public get blamed and punished for Health service failings, NPHET sell it to the press as the public being to blame and restrictions must be kept on ordinary people.
The press lap it up sell it to the public as Tony says and the majority of the sheeple just suck it up.

I am really getting sick of this farce at this stage.

You’d swear there was a NPHET review due soon into whether we continue Level 5 for the full six weeks or relax them after four.......

Edited to say; I skimmed over your own post! I see you said the same!

nofools

end of the road wrote: »

this information is already known and has been pointed out a plenty.
it's only those who are against mask wearing who keep mentioning them stopping covid, everyone else is already aware that it doesn't happen and are aware of the actual reasons that they need to wear them.





well of course they say that they don't protect against viruses, because they don't and it has never been claimed that they do.
the reason for masks isn't to stop you from getting covid or protect against it, it is to lessen the chance of someone giving it to someone else if they have it and are unaware, by lessening the droplets that get into the air when one coughs or sneezes.

Any form of aerosol filtration is beneficial and adds up collectively even if imperfect.

There is a good degree of personal protection.

Side note...i hate how we over define the problem with strict definitions when there is more to it..."masks are to protect other" or lockdowns are "to prevent the HSE from getting overrun"

It just confuses and distracts and gives stupid excuses to people looking for them.

Penfailed

Seweryn wrote: »

None.

Does it matter though?

Yeah it matters. If it wasn't Facebook, it was somewhere else. If it wasn't somewhere else and you actually typed it all out off the top of your head, you'd really need to fact check yerself. There's so much bullshíte in there. "Wearing masks gives you pulmonary fibrosis"...laughable.

nofools

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. You will find comprehensive authoritative detail in the link below which will explain the error in your frankly dangerous misunderstanding of the clear benefit of wearing masks.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

I wish you would be less polite.

3xh

I might’ve missed this but was Danica Freezing Brow banned or what? Haven’t heard from him in a while.

nofools

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah it matters. If it wasn't Facebook, it was somewhere else. If it wasn't somewhere else and you actually typed it all out off the top of your head, you'd really need to fact check yerself. There's so much bullshíte in there. "Wearing masks gives you pulmonary fibrosis"...laughable.

And the same fools are trying to tell us that our very real fears around a once in a lifetime event are just paranoia and RTE mind control.

I don't know anyone who has died from wearing a mask yet...but any day now.

Seweryn

Penfailed wrote: »

There's so much bullshíte in there. "Wearing masks gives you pulmonary fibrosis".

Gives? I never said that.

Penfailed

3xh wrote: »

I might’ve missed this but was Danica Freezing Brow banned or what? Haven’t heard from him in a while.

Yes. I couldn't remember but checked back. 'Banned' under his username.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

You're saying that it's why we've been locked down though. It doesn't make sense. Do you think Covid was invented in a lab and they already had a vaccine and were waiting for just the right moment to announce it?

Amazingly, they just happened to announce the vaccine the day after Biden was elected :pac: It's coincidence after coincidence with this whole scam. I'm not going into the whole coincidental/convenient timeline again. Have done it numerous times elsewhere.

The lockdown is being dragged out unnecessarily to make people desperate enough to accept the measures that were planned in the first place. We'd never of accepted mandatory vaccines and increased tracking measures back in March. But March 2021... enough people just might.

We'll see how it plays out.

Penfailed

Seweryn wrote: »

Gives? I never said that.

Okay, "could cause". Have you any evidence to back up that wishy-washy claim?

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Amazingly, they just happened to announce the vaccine the day after Biden was elected :pac: It's coincidence after coincidence with this whole scam. I'm not going into the whole coincidental/convenient timeline again. Have done it numerous times elsewhere.

We'll see how it plays out.

Yeah...like I said to you previously, Covid conspiracy thread thataway >>>

bucketybuck

3xh wrote: »

I might’ve missed this but was Danica Freezing Brow banned or what? Haven’t heard from him in a while.

I think you have.

3xh

bucketybuck wrote: »

I think you have.

Haha! Yes, indeed. That’s why I asked! There’s one recent poster who reminds me of him.

Hector Savage

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am in identical shoes. With no commute etc. i actually get more money to spend than pre covid. I dont even pay mobile broadband like.. i am at home 95% of the week.

What does infuriate me is hearing that 45% of our youth are unemployed because of this deadly virus that has caused -1.5% mortality in first 5 months of this year in comparison to last year, as Fintan says covid is raising the dead. Young people should be out there working, acquiring skills and experience. not sitting at home drinking cans or eating dominos and binge netflix watching, we dont need next generation to become obese and depressed, cost of that will be worse than 10 covids.

Same, I have saved a lot more than usual as I dont pay transport to work, dont eat out etc - some of my colleagues are loving it (they dont want to go back to office ever ...) really pisses me off that some people have this attitude , don't care that retail and entertainment workers are screwed ..