Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Cyrus

charlie14 wrote: »

No problem.
As you do not appear to have even the basic understanding of mathematics, I would not know where to even begin attempting to educate you anyway.

charlie14

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Okay but why not compare with excess deaths in Ireland 16th March to June 7th?

Personally I have no problem comparing weekly or monthly deaths from previous averages to the months where there have been Covid-19 deaths, But that is not what the poster did when coming up with the -1.5%. Our first reported death was in March.
My post was to give a bit of perspective on a week by week basic on a country that did not use lockdown, from their first deaths in week 12 until week 23 compared to the previous weekly average and it tells a different story.

During all those weeks, and indeed some afterward, when comparing weekly averages from previous years with no Covid-19, to those same weeks this year when there were deaths from Covid-19, the percentage is not a minus.

charlie14

Cyrus wrote: »

Guesswork and maybe are not a branch of basic mathematics that I am aware of, but like that poster you too seem to believe in.
Very strange.

Cyrus

charlie14 wrote: »

Guesswork and maybe are not a branch of basic mathematics that I am aware of, but like that poster you too seem to believe in.
Very strange.

you prefer to stick doggedly to massive oversimpifications i see.

Stormyteacup

charlie14 wrote: »

Personally I have no problem comparing weekly or monthly deaths from previous averages to the months where there have been Covid-19 deaths, But that is not what the poster did when coming up with the -1.5%. Our first reported death was in March.
My post was to give a bit of perspective on a week by week basic on a country that did not use lockdown, from their first deaths in week 12 until week 23 compared to the previous weekly average and it tells a different story.

During all those weeks, and indeed some afterward, when comparing weekly averages from previous years with no Covid-19, to those same weeks this year when there were deaths from Covid-19, the percentage is not a minus.

So both countries had excess deaths during that period.

Why not post the country that didn’t use lockdown’s excess death figure from January until May? To compare like with like, it would be a more logical argument.

road_high

Allinall wrote: »

How much are they being paid, and how much extra are they earning because of the pandemic?

You appear to know, so maybe share it here to back up your claims.

I've no idea- but in the interests of transparency ALL this info should be publicly available detailing all these people's business and professional interests. Only then can we judge their supposed independence and bona fide. Money and personal business intertests tend to (very much) colour people's bias. Anything less is a smokescreen.

road_high

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Just glancing through the vaccine thread and the main thread. It’s noticeable that some of the most pro lockdown people are now the ones who seem most reluctant to acknowledge the possible vaccine. I really don’t understand this surely the ones most “scared” by covid should be the ones welcoming a vaccine? For me once the vaccine comes on stream this “new normal” crap has to end.

Sounds just like their High Priest Tony so. He's not very keen to hear about vaccines- he'd much prefer this "caution" to continue ala his dictats. The latest being banning Visors- apparently they're more useless than masks (no doubt we won't see any actual evidence bar some stupid coughing doodle).

moonage

Deleted User wrote: »

Mask wearing is not something that I see continuing.

It’s really weird and uncomfortable when you bump into a friend and you both have masks on... you can’t understand them and they can’t understand you. I certainly wouldn’t socialise anywhere a mask is needed.

They give me a vibe that we are in some kind of apocalypse when we really aren’t.

I hate not been able to see the expression on a person’s face, particularly when trying to communicate.

They are also extremely uncomfortable. Especially if you wear glasses and have to sacrifice your vision.

Perhaps most importantly though, I see no evidence that they actually do anything. Cases went down without masks and went up with them... Go figure

9th of June 2021.

That's the date that mandatory masks has been extended to in the legislation. Very depressing.

Not being able to see people's faces is very dehumanising.

Stormyteacup

road_high wrote: »

Sounds just like their High Priest Tony so. He's not very keen to hear about vaccines- he'd much prefer this "caution" to continue ala his dictats. The latest being banning Visors- apparently they're more useless than masks (no dount we won't see any actual evidence bar some stupid coughing doodle).

Why is a visor ban in Tony’s sights? Are other countries advising against them?

I don’t know too much about their supposed effectiveness compared to masks but even if it is much reduced, would it be comparable to wearing a mask incorrectly or using a poor-quality cloth face coverings? Or are they just reckoned to be useless generally?

MM today saying he hopes we can move to level 3 in December...

Ireland should really create a new 2 level plan.

Lockdown and heavy restrictions “opening”.

Hector Savage

moonage wrote: »

9th of June 2021.

That's the date that mandatory masks has been extended to in the legislation. Very depressing.

Not being able to see people's faces is very dehumanising.

For where ?
Are masks in Ireland mandatory ?

road_high

moonage wrote: »

9th of June 2021.

That's the date that mandatory masks has been extended to in the legislation. Very depressing.

Not being able to see people's faces is very dehumanising.

This whole farce is very dehumanising. I'm pretty sick and tired of listening to moralising idiots drone on about Covid 19 like as if it's been some kind of life's work they've been "battling" forever- all on full salaries with oppurtunities out of this.
I'm working away myself on full salary but I'm absolutely furious about what is being done to other people (supposed "lesser" beings like I've read numerous times as they may not have the tenacity to get a third level education)- I tell you one thing if the professional classes (like me) were all on €350 per week we would not be seing this carry on. It's deeply shameful

road_high

Deleted User wrote: »

MM today saying he hopes we can move to level 3 in December...

Ireland should really create a new 2 level plan.

Lockdown and heavy restrictions “opening”.

We should dump the lot in the bin where it belongs- let people that are healthy get on with their lives. The hypochondriacs and vulnerable can keep themselves locked away behind their couches.

road_high

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Why is a visor ban in Tony’s sights? Are other countries advising against them?

I don’t know too much about their supposed effectiveness compared to masks but even if it is much reduced, would it be comparable to wearing a mask incorrectly or using a poor-quality cloth face coverings? Or are they just reckoned to be useless generally?

I saw a headline today with his face bald head on it ****ting on about banning visors- i didn't bother reading any more as that's enough. The cult need a new pointless ruel to rally themselves- visors will be this weeks.

charlie14

Stormyteacup wrote: »

So both countries had excess deaths during that period.

Why not post the country that didn’t use lockdown’s excess death figure from January until May? To compare like with like, it would be a more logical argument.

Why would I post figures from January until May for excess deaths from Covid-19 for a country that did not have it`s first Covid-19 death until March 11.
What I posted shows the average daily deaths for 12 weeks with no Covid-19, compared to the corresponding daily deaths in 2020.
Do you somehow believe those daily increases had nothing to do with Covid-19 ?


As to deaths in both countries during the period of the first wave. Sweden, who have little in common with Ireland, on a per capita basis had over 40% more deaths from Covid-19.
Multiples of that when compared to their Scandinavian neighbours

Seweryn

Guys, I wouldn't worry about that -1.5% increase overall that some have commented on. Ireland is a small country and you can observe nearly 10 % difference between some years in death rates in the same period of the year. What I have shown is that this year is perfectly normal in terms of deaths in general and +/- a few % is within the norm.

But I am rather worried about the lies we have been told by our government, the media, etc. that most people can't see.
There is not much point for me to publish the calculations again, but when you deduct the claimed Cov. deaths between Jan and May from this year's numbers to compare it like for like with previous years, you can observe about 13 % drop in deaths. That doesn't make sense, obviously.

road_high

I wonder why this paper cannot get published? Could it the answer is it's politically correct to do so?
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/major-mask-study-rejected-multiple-journals-amid-rumors-it-shows-masks

Ginger n Lemon

road_high wrote: »

This whole farce is very dehumanising. I'm pretty sick and tired of listening to moralising idiots drone on about Covid 19 like as if it's been some kind of life's work they've been "battling" forever- all on full salaries with oppurtunities out of this.
I'm working away myself on full salary but I'm absolutely furious about what is being done to other people (supposed "lesser" beings like I've read numerous times as they may not have the tenacity to get a third level education)- I tell you one thing if the professional classes (like me) were all on €350 per week we would not be seing this carry on. It's deeply shameful

I am in identical shoes. With no commute etc. i actually get more money to spend than pre covid. I dont even pay mobile broadband like.. i am at home 95% of the week.

What does infuriate me is hearing that 45% of our youth are unemployed because of this deadly virus that has caused -1.5% mortality in first 5 months of this year in comparison to last year, as Fintan says covid is raising the dead. Young people should be out there working, acquiring skills and experience. not sitting at home drinking cans or eating dominos and binge netflix watching, we dont need next generation to become obese and depressed, cost of that will be worse than 10 covids.

charlie14

Cyrus wrote: »

you prefer to stick doggedly to massive oversimpifications i see.

Their is no need to be doggedly with verifiable facts. They are what they are.

CalamariFritti

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. Thanks for your concern, but while it will lead to a drop of accurate information contributions to that thread, I am of course, quite OK.

It is rather alarming though, considering the content of my helpful, I hope, contributions there to many posters, that some of the out and out misinformation and outlandish conspiracy theories and accuastions, not to mention personal attacks on members of the NPHET and the government, seem not only tolerated, but almost the norm!

Whether those accusations are accurate or not there is an easy way to counter them. More transparency.

Ginger n Lemon

road_high wrote: »

I wonder why this paper cannot get published? Could it the answer is it's politically correct to do so?
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/major-mask-study-rejected-multiple-journals-amid-rumors-it-shows-masks

masks are absolutely useless. over 90% of masks sold in the shops have "this mask does not protect against viruses" written on them.

We are living in some idiot world where the minute we stop doing something and cases rise the next day, idiots come out and say "ohhh cases are rising because we stopped doing X Y Z"

Funny enough the reverse does not happen. 10th of Aug onward cases started to increase. we also started doing something else on 10th of August. O well lets not question that particular measure. Cases started to rise because people got complacent, co incidentally 10th of August onward.

road_high

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am in identical shoes. With no commute etc. i actually get more money to spend than pre covid. I dont even pay mobile broadband like.. i am at home 95% of the week.

What does infuriate me is hearing that 45% of our youth are unemployed because of this deadly virus that has caused -1.5% mortality in first 5 months of this year in comparison to last year, as Fintan says covid is raising the dead. Young people should be out there working, acquiring skills and experience. not sitting at home drinking cans or eating dominos and binge netflix watching, we dont need next generation to become obese and depressed, cost of that will be worse than 10 covids.

Yea, I work from home anyhow so just less business travel for me which has it's advantages. Saved a bit too from the whole thing but conscious i need to spend a few bob and keep things going for other people too.

So agree about the netflix narrative...I'm not exactly a geriatric (only in my mid 30s) but we were raised as it being deeply shameful and lazy to be sitting at home doing nothing like this - now it seems to be de rigeur done thing. I fear the longer this goes on it's fostering a situation whereby you can do nothing/achieve nothing (see LC exams cancellation) and still be handed on a plate what you want without any of the hard work, risk and sacrifice needed in life.

Seweryn

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

masks are absolutely useless. over 90% of masks sold in the shops have "this mask does not protect against viruses" written on them.

And rightly so... The size of the virus (about 0.1 um) is much smaller than pores in a HEPA filter (0.3 um). So, how a piece of rag (with much larger pores) can stop it? It is like building a garden fence to stop mosquitos flying through...

Ashleigh1986

Did anyone hear the clown of a professer on a radio station today saying " we should be pushing Christmas out until the end of January and keep up the restrictions for the month of December ".....
Seriously I've heard some amount of bull**** regarding this virus but this clown took the gold medal .

MOH

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Did anyone hear the clown of a professer on a radio station today saying " we should be pushing Christmas out until the end of January and keep up the restrictions for the month of December ".....
Seriously I've heard some amount of bull**** regarding this virus but this clown took the gold medal .

Yeah, he's some genius. His argument boils down to if we open things up for Christmas, we'll be back in lockdown in January. So instead we should stay in lockdown for December, and delay Christmas to the end of January and all party then.

So.... instead of lowering restrictions in December, resulting possible lockdown in January, we should just continue with the actual lockdown until we get "cases down to single figures or zero". And this will be "much more profitable and pleasant for everyone in Ireland".
Never mind the fact that he then wants everyone to "delay Christmas until the end of January and have a real Christmas and a real party then" which would put us back in lockdown by the end of Feb anyway.

You can also tell he's an idiot because he's talking about zero-covid and citing Australia as an example to emulate. While ignoring the fact the we still have zero restrictions on incoming travel, and share a land border with a country we haven't managed to agree a common Covid policy with in the last 8 months, which won't get any easier since we're about 9 weeks away from a hard Brexit.

About the best thing you can say for Tony Holohan is that at least this lunatic isn't running the show.

bush

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Did anyone hear the clown of a professer on a radio station today saying " we should be pushing Christmas out until the end of January and keep up the restrictions for the month of December ".....
Seriously I've heard some amount of bull**** regarding this virus but this clown took the gold medal .

Jesus christ :pac:

Spanish Eyes

Tomas Ryan is dead right.

nofools

A quick browse here

We have heard all about how bald tony is, visors are flawless, masks are useless, the risen from the dead (that argument ignores the obvious in the most retarded fashion) and best of all is the genuine heartfelt concern about the youth playing too much playstation.

Doubling down on self deluded ignorance and a total disgrace.

The only thing I found credible were some fears around increased control around the unvaccinated. Still, that is a fear of what might happen in the face of what is happening for real right now being ignored.

Idbatterim

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Did anyone hear the clown of a professer on a radio station today saying " we should be pushing Christmas out until the end of January and keep up the restrictions for the month of December ".....
Seriously I've heard some amount of bull**** regarding this virus but this clown took the gold medal .

April fools is a few months away! Imagine a time when we wont have to listen to these insufferable baxtards anymore and its coming, their lives will have no meaning, its why they love the current situation...

nofools

road_high wrote: »

I saw a headline today with his face bald head on it ****ting on about banning visors- i didn't bother reading any more as that's enough. The cult need a new pointless ruel to rally themselves- visors will be this weeks.

You need to be in a cult yourself to talk like that