Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

patnor1011

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Appears to be quite a range of CFR according to Johns Hopkins
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality



Seems to me to range between 1.2% and 9.8% rather than all at 3%.

Charlie is obsessed with that 3% number. Nothing will make him change his mind.
If someone is a believer there is no chance to reason with faith.

"They paint the world full of shadows...
and then tell their children to stay close to the light...

Their light. Their reasons, their judgments.

Because in the darkness, there be dragons.

But it isn't true. We can prove that it isn't true.
In the dark, there is discovery, there is a possibility.
There is freedom in the dark once someone has illuminated it."

(some day he will see the light he just needs to venture in the dark to find it)

Captain_Crash

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Back when thousands waiting on tests got cancelled, back when we wouldn’t test unless you had multiple symptoms, back when we only tested a fraction of what we do now and clearly missed god only knows how many asymptomatic cases...

It’s funny cause NPHET think they caught 2 of every 3 cases back in March and April and ruled out the possibility of multiples more having had the virus than we know of!

Obvs the only basis for this claim was a short study they completed during the summer, which discounted the HSE’s very own antibody tests (which showed 5% had it at the time). Along with also discounting WHO’s assessment regarding probable numbers come the end of the summer of 10% globally having had it!

But NPHET know all and are right and it’s not possible that they be wrong!

Allinall

road_high wrote: »

Does a question this stupid even need an answer? It would appear so- None of these Nphet jokers are charity workers (despite their endless virtue signalling and faux hero worship from the interminably braindead), all are in various high profile public medical and academic positions. All of which are extremely lucrative now underscored by new opportunities for research, medical stewardship and medical positions. Also the cosying up to political and media establishments is another advancement opportunity- you don't actually have to do anything tangible- just repeat the same crap over and over about "being careful" and lashing on more lockdowns- job done.
Nphet have achieved precisely nothing (apart from adding greatly to our national debt, stealing precious resources from down the road)- they're an extremely disruptive talk shop we would be very wise to disband immediately. But like all cults that takes times as they still have a rather large and devoted inexplicable following (for now).

How much are they being paid, and how much extra are they earning because of the pandemic?

You appear to know, so maybe share it here to back up your claims.

Clonmel1000

Just glancing through the vaccine thread and the main thread. It’s noticeable that some of the most pro lockdown people are now the ones who seem most reluctant to acknowledge the possible vaccine. I really don’t understand this surely the ones most “scared” by covid should be the ones welcoming a vaccine? For me once the vaccine comes on stream this “new normal” crap has to end.

Clonmel1000

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Just glancing through the vaccine thread and the main thread. It’s noticeable that some of the most pro lockdown people are now the ones who seem most reluctant to acknowledge the possible vaccine. I really don’t understand this surely the ones most “scared” by covid should be the ones welcoming a vaccine? For me once the vaccine comes on stream this “new normal” crap has to end.

I have noticed that as well and it certainly confirms to me that some people enjoyed lockdown for various reasons.

Perhaps some were earning more money or had the ability to save much more. Some people loved working at home. Some public servants had extremely reduced hours and full pay.

And of course, there was a whole cohort of posters that just want to see others suffer. The type that were delighted to see pubs closed. The people harping on about how we should be more cultured and dine out. Or criticising the young for daring to have a party.

There will be plenty of people unhappy that the vaccine is here. You can already see them hopeful about the mink situation. But normality will return in 2021.

No masks, no restrictions, no new normal. Just full pubs and celebrations.

We will have a huge recession to deal with. The pro restrictions will be surprised by that. They thought we’d just print free money and borrow high with no consequences.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have noticed that as well and it certainly confirms to me that some people enjoyed lockdown for various reasons.

Quite possibly true.

Perhaps some were earning more money or had the ability to save much more. Some people loved working at home. Some public servants had extremely reduced hours and full pay.

Definitely true for some, I'd imagine.

And of course, there was a whole cohort of posters that just want to see others suffer.

Nonsense. I haven't seen any posters that want to see people suffer.

The type that were delighted to see pubs closed. The people harping on about how we should be more cultured and dine out. Or criticising the young for daring to have a party.

There will be plenty of people unhappy that the vaccine is here. You can already see them hopeful about the mink situation. But normality will return in 2021.

No masks, no restrictions, no new normal. Just full pubs and celebrations.

I really hope so.

We will have a huge recession to deal with. The pro restrictions will be surprised by that. They thought we’d just print free money and borrow high with no consequences.

Possibly true for some. I wouldn't tar everyone with the same brush though. You're making a massive generalisation.

.

mikekerry

Deleted User wrote: »

I have noticed that as well and it certainly confirms to me that some people enjoyed lockdown for various reasons.

Perhaps some were earning more money or had the ability to save much more. Some people loved working at home. Some public servants had extremely reduced hours and full pay.

And of course, there was a whole cohort of posters that just want to see others suffer. The type that were delighted to see pubs closed. The people harping on about how we should be more cultured and dine out. Or criticising the young for daring to have a party.

There will be plenty of people unhappy that the vaccine is here. You can already see them hopeful about the mink situation. But normality will return in 2021.

No masks, no restrictions, no new normal. Just full pubs and celebrations.

We will have a huge recession to deal with. The pro restrictions will be surprised by that. They thought we’d just print free money and borrow high with no consequences.

Do you honestly think NPHET are going to tell us to stop wearing masks next year and drop restrictions.
I admire your optimism I really do.
They are ultra conservative and will keep these restrictions up for as long as they can.
I think It'll be a long, long time before pubs are fully opened again with no restrictions.

pjohnson

Penfailed wrote: »

.

There was an overlap earlier in the year between anti-vaxxers and anti-restrictions.

I wonder how many that complained about the restrictions will actually do whats required now to let things return to the old normal?

Penfailed

pjohnson wrote: »

There was an overlap earlier in the year between anti-vaxxers and anti-restrictions.

I wonder how many that complained about the restrictions will actually do whats required now to let things return to the old normal?

What's required?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have noticed that as well and it certainly confirms to me that some people enjoyed lockdown for various reasons.

Perhaps some were earning more money or had the ability to save much more. Some people loved working at home. Some public servants had extremely reduced hours and full pay.

And of course, there was a whole cohort of posters that just want to see others suffer. The type that were delighted to see pubs closed. The people harping on about how we should be more cultured and dine out. Or criticising the young for daring to have a party.

There will be plenty of people unhappy that the vaccine is here. You can already see them hopeful about the mink situation. But normality will return in 2021.

No masks, no restrictions, no new normal. Just full pubs and celebrations.

We will have a huge recession to deal with. The pro restrictions will be surprised by that. They thought we’d just print free money and borrow high with no consequences.

Yeah, let's be honest here: public servants on same pay/reduced hours, folk who were receiving a couple hundred a week and now on PUP etc aren't exactly going to be delighted at the thought of going back to normal.

Was reported yesterday that 1/4 of those on PUP are full-time students. 250pw (down from 350) and not having to do 10, 20, 30hrs in a bar or restaurant... again, I'm sure a lot would happily keep going as is.

However, as you say, there's no such thing as free money. There'll be a large bill to pay for all of this. PUP claimants, for example, are going to be taxed over a period of four years to repay a lot of that money. I'd be more concerned for the country as a whole. The more money borrowed, the more vulnerable/obedient we will be to the wishes of the institutions who loaned us that money.

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

There was an overlap earlier in the year between anti-vaxxers and anti-restrictions.

I wonder how many that complained about the restrictions will actually do whats required now to let things return to the old normal?

I don’t really blame people for not wanting a vaccine that has been put together so quickly for a disease that is not likely to pose any major threat to the majority.

But if it helps us move forward, I’ll take it for sure.

mikekerry

mikekerry wrote: »

Do you honestly think NPHET are going to tell us to stop wearing masks next year and drop restrictions.
I admire your optimism I really do.
They are ultra conservative and will keep these restrictions up for as long as they can.
I think It'll be a long, long time before pubs are fully opened again with no restrictions.

I think Ireland will be the last country in Europe to get back to normal.

And yes, NPHET will try to keep restrictions going.

But we’ll have to follow what the rest of the world are doing.

funnydoggy

What worries me is when we have a good chunk vaccinated, cases are super low and hospitals are low and, will we still are be told to wear masks / distance ourselves?

If so, will everyone still do it because NPHET says so even though at that point, COVID will no longer be an issue?

FintanMcluskey

funnydoggy wrote: »

What worries me is when we have a good chunk vaccinated, cases are super low and hospitals are low and, will we still are be told to wear masks / distance ourselves?

If so, will everyone still do it because NPHET says so even though at that point, COVID will no longer be an issue?

The moral compass is set to 0 Covid deaths.

Once the vaccine prevents all Covid deaths and prevents people with underlying conditions requiring ICU treatment life will be back to normal

Idbatterim

funnydoggy wrote: »

What worries me is when we have a good chunk vaccinated, cases are super low and hospitals are low and, will we still are be told to wear masks / distance ourselves?

If so, will everyone still do it because NPHET says so even though at that point, COVID will no longer be an issue?

Couldnt see it tolerated by the public, but it is ireland... the economic ramifactions wil be too great for even the worlds weakest and worst politicians to ignore

Asuming the comment above is one based on humour, Im lokimg forwatd to seeing the financial ramifications on the " lockdown is great" crowd

zf0wqv9oemuasj

funnydoggy wrote: »

What worries me is when we have a good chunk vaccinated, cases are super low and hospitals are low and, will we still are be told to wear masks / distance ourselves?

If so, will everyone still do it because NPHET says so even though at that point, COVID will no longer be an issue?

Hi, while the obvious positives from covid such as the acceleration in working from home that most people hope continues I would hope some other aspects also continue.

For one people going into work when sick which absolutely not allowed to happen during covid (coughs and colds and so on especially) needs to continue. People who go into work sick and infect their full office etc have always been a major issue over the years and I'd hope people are more aware of this now and stay at home when sick. I know it has always been encouraged in many businesses but most ignore it.

I would also personally see no issue with mask wearing continuing particularity in winter months along with sanitising in public places likes shops etc in order to prevent the spread of all illnesses. I really don't understand why people have an issue with masks, they are totally painless, no effort involved and so on yet some act like they are carrying a cross on their shoulders by having to wear one - they must have little challenges in life.

funnydoggy

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

I would also personally see no issue with mask wearing continuing particularity in winter months along with sanitising in public places likes shops etc in order to prevent the spread of all illnesses. I really don't understand why people have an issue with masks, they are totally painless, no effort involved etc yet some act like they are carrying a cross on their shoulders by having to wear one - they must have little challenges in life.

Oh I 100% don't have a problem with masks. Been wearing one when out since April and before lockdown, was the most adherent to masking up in work.

My comment was more of a 'when is it time to lower the guard somewhat, when the enemy is no longer much of a risk'.

paw patrol

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

:DThat made me laugh....

charlie14 wrote: »

"anyway sweden is grand"


Are you just back from the wilds of Outer Mongolia ?

Sweden`s numbers have been going through the roof and are still rising.

As of this morning , they've 92 people in ICU compared to our 40. They have over twice the population.

It's kinda equal (or not too far off) and they don't have the crap we have, lockdowns since march and media misery porn on steroids.


I think rumours of their demise are overrated at this stage.

In our favour we have done more tests than them but mild or asymptotic positives are meaningless . Only the actual sick matter.

Cyrus

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

People who go into work sick and infect their full office etc have always been a major issue over the years

I would also personally see no issue with mask wearing continuing particularity in winter months along with sanitising in public places likes shops etc in order to prevent the spread of all illnesses. I really don't understand why people have an issue with masks, they are totally painless, no effort involved and so on yet some act like they are carrying a cross on their shoulders by having to wear one - they must have little challenges in life.

do you have any source for your assertion that people have gone into work sick and infected the full office and that its a major issue? in my 18 years working in open plan offices i can safely say this has never happened.

as for mask wearing as something people do in the future, no thanks. I suppose youd rather people didnt embrace, shake hands, kiss aswell?

zf0wqv9oemuasj

Cyrus wrote: »

do you have any source for your assertion that people have gone into work sick and infected the full office and that its a major issue? in my 18 years working in open plan offices i can safely say this has never happened.

as for mask wearing as something people do in the future, no thanks. I suppose youd rather people didnt embrace, shake hands, kiss aswell?

Hi, so you never picked up something in work? Where else are you picking up things if not in work? Maybe your kids in school again kids should not be in school when sick.

No body should be in work coughing and spluttering, I’ve seen people told to stay at home or to home in some places I’ve worked as the company didn’t want others getting sick and personally I’ve often seen respiratory illnesses “going around” in offices I’ve worked due to people coming in when sick.

As for mask wearing I don’t think it will or should be mandatory but it should be encouraged especially if a person suspects they may have something and needs to go out and so on or during peak flu season for everyone in more enclosed places.

Cyrus

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

Hi, so you never picked up something in work? Where else are you picking up things if not in work? Maybe your kids in school again kids should not be in school when sick.

No body should be in work coughing and spluttering, I’ve seen people told to stay at home or to home in some places I’ve worked as the company didn’t want others getting sick and personally I’ve often seen respiratory illnesses “going around” in offices I’ve worked due to people coming in when sick.

As for mask wearing I don’t think it will or should be mandatory but it should be encouraged especially if a person suspects they may have something and needs to go out and so on or during peak flu season for everyone in more enclosed places.

you are rowing back now, your post said there was a major issue with people infecting their full office, i queried it.

personally id say i have taken maybe 5 sick days in 18 years so i havent picked up much clearly.

Mask wearing is not something that I see continuing.

It’s really weird and uncomfortable when you bump into a friend and you both have masks on... you can’t understand them and they can’t understand you. I certainly wouldn’t socialise anywhere a mask is needed.

They give me a vibe that we are in some kind of apocalypse when we really aren’t.

I hate not been able to see the expression on a person’s face, particularly when trying to communicate.

They are also extremely uncomfortable. Especially if you wear glasses and have to sacrifice your vision.

Perhaps most importantly though, I see no evidence that they actually do anything. Cases went down without masks and went up with them... Go figure

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

Mask wearing is not something that I see continuing.

It’s really weird and uncomfortable when you bump into a friend and you both have masks on... you can’t understand them and they can’t understand you. I certainly wouldn’t socialise anywhere a mask is needed.

They give me a vibe that we are in some kind of apocalypse when we really aren’t.

I hate not been able to see the expression on a person’s face, particularly when trying to communicate.

They are also extremely uncomfortable. Especially if you wear glasses and have to sacrifice your vision.

Perhaps most importantly though, I see no evidence that they actually do anything. Cases went down without masks and went up with them... Go figure

Like most of the Covid measures, they are based primarily on superstition and ignorance along with a good dollop of slavishly following what the man on the telly tells you to do.

A large chunk of the Irish population have shown themselves to be embarrassingly still in thrall to authority, with the high-priests of NPHET replacing the Catholic church. The current Irish Government are just as willing as De Valera's to hand over the country to an unelected bunch of zealots - we haven't really changed at all in the last 100 years and we people should be ashamed of this country and how it has behaved over the last 8 months.


Make no mistake, there will be a significant push-back from those comfortable with lockdown life, to return to normal.

Ginger n Lemon

facehugger99 wrote: »

Like most of the Covid measures, they are based primarily on superstition and ignorance along with a good dollop of slavishly following what the man on the telly tells you to do.

A large chunk of the Irish population have shown themselves to be embarrassingly still in thrall to authority, with the high-priests of NPHET replacing the Catholic church. The current Irish Government are just as willing as De Valera's to hand over the country to an unelected bunch of zealots - we haven't really changed at all in the last 100 years and we people should be ashamed of this country and how it has behaved over the last 8 months.


Make no mistake, there will be a significant push-back from those comfortable with lockdown life, to return to normal.

Great post. Just like one above too.

That in bold - I've heard Ro Ro mention "international evidence suggests" about a dozen times over summer, however frankly never going into detail as to what bloody continent (let alone country) is that international evidence is coming from.

The journalism in this country is quite pathetic, virgin news Zara King constantly asking Tony H "do you think there ll be a possibility of families coming together for Christmas?" Bizarre. You'd watch the news and get the impression that 1 guy calls the shots of what can and cant happen over xmas. :rolleyes:

charlie14

patnor1011 wrote: »

Charlie is obsessed with that 3% number. Nothing will make him change his mind.
If someone is a believer there is no chance to reason with faith.

"They paint the world full of shadows...
and then tell their children to stay close to the light...

Their light. Their reasons, their judgments.

Because in the darkness, there be dragons.

But it isn't true. We can prove that it isn't true.
In the dark, there is discovery, there is a possibility.
There is freedom in the dark once someone has illuminated it."

(some day he will see the light he just needs to venture in the dark to find it)

Very biblical, but you should realise that a belief in any creed is primarily based on blind faith with no verifiable facts to back up that belief.


I have been posting verifiable facts whereas you and others who question those facts are putting forward nothing other than suppositions based on nothing other than discredited modelling figures and their own beliefs.


So perhaps look into your own heart brother before casting stones at others who do not have your blind faith :pac::pac::pac:

Cyrus

charlie14 wrote: »

Very biblical, but you should realise that a belief in any creed is primarily based on blind faith with no verifiable facts to back up that belief.


I have been posting verifiable facts whereas you and others who question those facts are putting forward nothing other than suppositions based on nothing other than discredited modelling figures and their own beliefs.


So perhaps look into your own heart brother before casting stones at others who do not have your blind faith :pac::pac::pac:

4th time of asking, do you believe the total number of people with covid 19 in the state is equal to the number of people who have tested positive?

normanoffside

Some more stats that prove the health services are failing us again, yet the general public is being punished.

57% of patients with Covid in Hospital actually caught it inside the hospital
https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326455354042048513

It's rampant in nursing homes
https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326242600924352513

charlie14

paw patrol wrote: »

:DThat made me laugh....





As of this morning , they've 92 people in ICU compared to our 40. They have over twice the population.

It's kinda equal (or not too far off) and they don't have the crap we have, lockdowns since march and media misery porn on steroids.


I think rumours of their demise are overrated at this stage.


In our favour we have done more tests than them mild or asymptotic positives are meaningless . Only the actual sick matter.

Twice our population, doing less testing and they are recording 4,000 new cases daily and they are still two weeks behind the rest of Europe in rising cases.

The whole strategy of their Public Health Authority has been shown to have been a failure and they are now like Hitler sitting in his bunker issuing Contradictory edicts to none existing battalions with regional authorities that represent over 76% of the population now doing their own thing.
The first regional authority to leave the fold recently called for a total lockdown country wide.
Things are not going well there and their government quickly needs to side-line their health authority, grow a pair and take charge.

normanoffside

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326491538868891655

This is just a cover up

HPSE up to recently was publishing hospital acquired infection but stopped about 3 weeks ago

Ginger n Lemon

normanoffside wrote: »

Some more stats that prove the health services are failing us again, yet the general public is being punished.

57% of patients with Covid in Hospital actually caught it inside the hospital
https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326455354042048513

It's rampant in nursing homes
https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326242600924352513

These c*nts have been saying hospitalisations are increasing. Yeah they are increasing because covid spreads in the hospital, not because thousands are going to the hospital with covid issues having caught covid on the trip to barbers.

This is just so lame and dumb its unreal so many people still havent figured out what is actually taking place. Absolute scam.