Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

pjohnson

weldoninhio wrote: »

Young people aren’t doing any economic damage. Our government is doing all the damage

The government have clearly shown when case numbers rise the level of restrictions will increase to match.

If these youths are to be celebrated for doing their part to keep numbers up then its only logical that ye also celebrate the consequences of their actions.


See its that old chestnut again "actions have consequences". The young people have their fun, everyone in the county gets the consequence as a result. If you celebrate the behaviour then accept the consequence.

polesheep

average_runner wrote: »

The mess we are in now, is down to the people of our country and only us.
We can help stop the spreading of the virus and if we lead by example we can avoid these restrictions and open up fully.


People keep saying the young need to get on with their lives, i agree but there won't be anything to get on with unless we get out of this mess and behaving the way we are won't solve this.



Right now instead of working together we working against each other.

It's interesting to see the change in some posters comments. Now that the youth of the country has decided that it's time to move on I have noticed a subtle change in the rhetoric from online posters and those in authority, from demanding to appealing.

facehugger99

It's been clear for months that the Government are too cowardly to lead us out of this mess.

Widespread flouting of the 'restrictions' by young people is the only thing that will work.

I think we are starting to see more and more of this and I'm hopeful it will continue and escalate.

average_runner

weldoninhio wrote: »

No rise??? Where are you getting your figures from?? This will be interesting,

Considering it takes up to six months to get a verdict on suicide, we are still in Sept. Virus is only here around 6 months



Sadly i went through it

Captain_Crash

pjohnson wrote: »

Then stop complaining about the economy. The young are having their fun regardless of the economic damage they cause so thats something to be thankfull for?

The economic damage has been caused by the government... if anything, the young getting on with life is helping the economy not damaging it!

average_runner

polesheep wrote: »

It's interesting to see the change in some posters comments. Now that the youth of the country has decided that it's time to move on I have noticed a subtle change in the rhetoric from online posters and those in authority, from demanding to appealing.

I couldn't care less what the youth do, Covid has allowed me to get on with a higher quality of life.


I fear for other people though.

polesheep

pjohnson wrote: »

Then stop complaining about the economy. The young are having their fun regardless of the economic damage they cause so thats something to be thankfull for?

The young are tomorrow's economy. Remember that when you are collecting your pension.

robbiezero

average_runner wrote: »

Keep dreaming mate. We are only in lockdown because we can't behave.


We can't follow guidelines like the Swedes, sure you are having house parties, not doing that in Sweden

So all countries with rising cases are due to people misbehaving?
Apart from the Swedes.

What misbehaving are meat factory workers doing? Or health care workers?

We are in lock-down because our health service is a pile of ****. Cases were always going to rise with restrictions eased and schools back

pjohnson

Captain_Crash wrote: »

The economic damage has been caused by the government... if anything, the young getting on with life is helping the economy not damaging it!

Really so the pubs and restaurants in Dublin are currently booming? Thats news to me. Really goes against the narrative of the supposed economic ruin that is so prevalent in this thread.

robbiezero

average_runner wrote: »

I couldn't care less what the youth do, Covid has allowed me to get on with a higher quality of life.


I fear for other people though.

And there you have it. Another selfish one who is making out like a bandit with lockdown.

bucketybuck

average_runner wrote: »

So far there is no rise in number of suicide death in 2020 compare to 2019.

What evidence are you basing that on?

pjohnson

polesheep wrote: »

The young are tomorrow's economy. Remember that when you are collecting your pension.

Then great. Why are complaining about the relics of the old economy then? The youth are leading us to a new economy.

pjohnson

bucketybuck wrote: »

What evidence are you basing that on?

Samaritans released a statement denying the scaremongering that there is a current rise in suicides.

average_runner

robbiezero wrote: »

So all countries with rising cases are due to people misbehaving?
Apart from the Swedes.

What misbehaving are meat factory workers doing? Or health care workers?

We are in lock-down because our health service is a pile of ****. Cases were always going to rise with restrictions eased and schools back

All the cases we have are not made up from meat factories or health care workers. Now if we all isolate when in contact, cases would drop.


Cases were rising before kids when back to school.


Other countries are rising, but alot at a lower rate that Ireland when you compare populations.


So why are we rising at a quicker rate than Hungary are now where there is no social distancing or lockdown ?

polesheep

average_runner wrote: »

Hospital treatments are back on, but if the cases keep rising they will stop, so that is one reason for us to halt the spread.



Suicide also happens when love ones die, incase you haven't noticed. So far there is no rise in number of suicide death in 2020 compare to 2019.



Its our job to look after the vunlerable and our job to look after the elderly. They deserved that considering most of them work their hearts out to get us to college, to get us an education, given us an easier up bringing than they had.


Its our turn to look after them, they looked after us long enough.

Doesn't mean lockdown but it also doesn't mean we behave like we don't care which we are right now

And if some people behave as if they don't care is that not a result of restricting them until they were forced to that point? We could have handled this so much better if it had been admitted from the start that the old and vulnerable would have to be treated differently from everyone else. Treated as best as possible, but differently nonetheless. Instead it had to be the same treatment for all. For how long did you expect young people to go along with that?

weldoninhio

average_runner wrote: »

Keep dreaming mate. We are only in lockdown because we can't behave.


We can't follow guidelines like the Swedes, sure you are having house parties, not doing that in Sweden

Of course we can’t, sure we’re Irish. You really seem to hate the Irish. Serious chip on your shoulder.

I’ll continue to have house parties. As will thousands of students around the country, as will thousands of thirty-something’s around the country, as will thousands of fifty-somethings around the country.

We can see that the emperor has no clothes on. We aren’t under our beds thinking the virus is going to get us. We know “the next two weeks” aren’t “crucial”. We are getting on with life, and each week that passes, more and more people are getting onboard with this. Soon, thankfully, you and the rest of the chicken littles and mask zealots will be in the tiny minority. Will be interesting to see what cause you take up once the religious fervour of Covid has worn off.

pjohnson

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course we can’t, sure we’re Irish. You really seem to hate the Irish. Serious chip on your shoulder.

I’ll continue to have house parties. As will thousands of students around the country, as will thousands of thirty-something’s around the country, as will thousands of fifty-somethings around the country.

We can see that the emperor has no clothes on. We aren’t under our beds thinking the virus is going to get us. We know “the next two weeks” aren’t “crucial”. We are getting on with life, and each week that passes, more and more people are getting onboard with this. Soon, thankfully, you and the rest of the chicken littles and mask zealots will be in the tiny minority. Will be interesting to see what cause you take up once the religious fervour of Covid has worn off.

Then enjoy that certain businesses wont be able to open, you will cause businesses to collapse.


Maybe when the rates and mortgage breaks stop, people may have to grow up and focus on more than house parties.

average_runner

robbiezero wrote: »

And there you have it. Another selfish one who is making out like a bandit with lockdown.

Selfish is people who don't care about the old etc.


Lockdown is wrong but not caring about the people that looked after is pure selfish

polesheep

average_runner wrote: »

I couldn't care less what the youth do, Covid has allowed me to get on with a higher quality of life.


I fear for other people though.

Those two sentences in bold are not compatible. As for Covid bringing you a higher quality of life, no offence, but I think you really need to do some deep thinking about where your life is at.

Zebra3

average_runner wrote: »

Doesn't mean lockdown but it also doesn't mean we behave like we don't care which we are right now

Speak for yourself.

weldoninhio

average_runner wrote: »

Considering it takes up to six months to get a verdict on suicide, we are still in Sept. Virus is only here around 6 months



Sadly i went through it

No figures have been released whatsoever for suicide deaths for 2020. None.

You’re talking nonsense. They’ve even suppressed the self harm database that used to be online and up to date.

Please refrain from making up “facts”. It adds nothing to the conversation

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I really should stop listening to the radio in the morning.

- next 2 weeks are critical
- more counties being threatened with lockdown
- rolling restrictions for at least the next 6 months (with notifications from the Indo and IT to reinforce it)
- selective statistics from hospitals
- another interview with the small number of people who suffer after effects of infection
- businesses under threat

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^^^ This!

I think this is the last resort when the Government and NPHT know they are losing the battle, especially with younger people. TWICE yesterday Covid survivors were pulled out of their recuperation to be interviewed live on TV for everyone to see. One was a woman of 33 who cant run 5 times a week like she used to, and that man I think was in his 40's. This is fear mongering of the highest order.
People also get this sick from flu every single year, they are left with long lasting effects like brain fog and muscle weakness. There are SO few of these people yet RTE and Newstalk find them and drag them out to make examples of them.

When people are terminally ill from cancer they also can't walk, they also get breathless, they also die (the above Covid people will eventually recover).

I was at Yoga yesterday and my teacher was upset. She said her brother has been diagnosed with terminal cancer this week, he got his symptoms in March and was afraid to go to the doctor

prunudo

I see the us vs them attitude is alive and well, exactly what the government want, deflect from the neglect of the health service. At the start they tried to blame the young children for spreading this, don't bring kids to the supermarket etc. Now they've switched it to blaming the young adults, using the 'they're old enough to know better' tactic.
But how could you blame them for getting on with their lives, we've been told for months that by and large it only effects older and frail people.
And let's not forget, we are being told we are at a very critical point because of 18 people in icu with covid. 18 people out of population of 5m. Around this time every year we're told there's a crisis in the health sector, difference this year is management can control the population to make sure they don't look bad.

funnydoggy

Deleted User wrote: »

I was at Yoga yesterday and my teacher was upset. She said her brother has been diagnosed with terminal cancer this week, he got his symptoms in March and was afraid to go to the doctor

Oh chríst above that's so sad. Have had one or two scares like that and always was afraid but eventually did go to the doctor. That's a nightmare

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

She said her brother has been diagnosed with terminal cancer this week, he got his symptoms in March and was afraid to go to the doctor

And thats the governments fault?


Unfortunately men often dont get check ups often enough for years before covid.

FintanMcluskey

Isnt it bizzare whats happening.

People are referring to youths out and about, their life was on hold for 6 months plus and with no end in sight they have taken it on themselves to start living again.

Doesnt suit some seemingly, didnt realise some of us were born at 60 years of age

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

^^^ This!

I think this is the last resort when the Government and NPHT know they are losing the battle, especially with younger people. TWICE yesterday Covid survivors were pulled out of their recuperation to be interviewed live on TV for everyone to see. One was a woman of 33 who cant run 5 times a week like she used to, and that man I think was in his 40's. This is fear mongering of the highest order.
People also get this sick from flu every single year, they are left with long lasting effects like brain fog and muscle weakness. There are SO few of these people yet RTE and Newstalk find them and drag them out to make examples of them.

When people are terminally ill from cancer they also can't walk, they also get breathless, they also die (the above Covid people will eventually recover).

I was at Yoga yesterday and my teacher was upset. She said her brother has been diagnosed with terminal cancer this week, he got his symptoms in March and was afraid to go to the doctor

Ah thats terrible.

Im sure some sociopath will blame that guy for not diagnosing himself while cancer screening was stopped.

FintanMcluskey

pjohnson wrote: »

And thats the governments fault?


Unfortunately men often dont get check ups often enough for years before covid.

P thats is disgusting.

You know full well cancer screening was halted.

I cant believe the attitude of blaming the victim

weldoninhio

pjohnson wrote: »

Then enjoy that certain businesses wont be able to open, you will cause businesses to collapse.


Maybe when the rates and mortgage breaks stop, people may have to grow up and focus on more than house parties.

Eventually people are going to open up. There are currently no laws forcing anyone to keep closed.
Most pub licenses are renewed this month. If I own a pub that’s going under I’d be reopening as soon as I have my shiny new licence, and I’d be packed. Might as well make some money before my business is destroyed by our incompetent government. Are they going to ban all pubs? Force them all to close? Get the army in to enforce closures??

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

And thats the governments fault?


Unfortunately men often dont get check ups often enough for years before covid.

its not the Government's fault that this man got cancer. But the Governments message from DAY 1 in March was stay at home, don't go to the doctor, GP's were on air saying DON'T come to the surgery, ring us instead, don't turn up in A&E !!
In March this man's symptoms were persistent back ache and a burning feeling in his stomach. That's it. It could have been a dozen different things. If you are being told every single day on every bloody Ad break "Don't go to the doctor, ring instead , we are in the middle of a Pandemic" etc etc, then you wont go!
He treated himself with Gaviscon.

He finally went in July as soon as things opened up in hospitals, got scanned, got the news it was cancer. At that stage they thought it was treatable. Scans this week said it has spread everywhere. Too late. This is not directly the Government's fault and you are being pedantic if that is your only argument! But if there was no Covid, no Government messages to STAY AT HOME in March, this man would not be terminallly ill now.