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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2020
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terryrogers wrote: »If this was brought in then the likes of Davy Glennon would end up getting 2 or 3 lads black carded per game! There's already a problem with players trying to get lads sent off and it can be very hard to detect, look at Noel McGrath in the Limerick game trying to get Gearoid Hegarty sent off, in real time that looked like a strike to the hand by Hegarty and stonewall yellow card but only the slo-mo replay revealed that McGrath feigned it. The likes of Jamie Barron & Shane O'Donnell are experts at ducking in under the defenders hurley arm and would easily get 1 lad sent off per game. Your suggestion would incentivise gamesmanship to no end.
A tad disingenuous to suggest that teams who are starved of success are the ones who want to win at all costs. I posted recently about the article in the link below which shows how Tipperary benefited last year from exploiting these "loopholes". Would be interesting to see the same stats done up for this year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40069547.html%3ftype=amp
So, you'd rather base rules on things that haven't really happened yet (lads getting one to two players sent off in every game - it happens every now and again - every four or five games) rather than the actual cynical fouling of dragging down players in on goal and fouling in the wing back positions to prevent open play? The thing that has been happening multiple times a game, almost play after play, every game this year.
Right, you use an example that points out that fouling works as evidence?
It proves my point - something has to be done about fouling and cynical play.
I pointed out a few brief examples of many teams in my previous post - I can't go through them all - and i also said the game has been going this way a long time and that Limerick are the latest extreme example of it. It would be interesting to see those stats this year. But stats are stats - the eye test is the eye test.
On an obviously completely separate point, but it's an interesting analogy to cynical fouling in games and trying to win an argument, you know the way some people sign into burner accounts and try to make an issue about two opposing counties rather than the point being made, that's great isn't it? Posters that have very few posts over say years - and the magic of their point, gets another poster to comment directly afterwards. A poster who hasn't managed to get a decent point across but always tries to point out irrelevant issues with a particular county rather than argue the actual argument and point? That's almost like cynical hurling, isn't it? Kind of interesting, I thought.
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formerlyET wrote: »So, you'd rather base rules on things that haven't really happened yet (lads getting one to two players sent off in every game - it happens every now and again - every four or five games) rather than the actual cynical fouling of dragging down players in on goal and fouling in the wing back positions to prevent open play? The thing that has been happening multiple times a game, almost play after play, every game this year.
Right, you use an example that points out that fouling works as evidence?
It proves my point - something has to be done about fouling and cynical play.
I pointed out a few brief examples of many teams in my previous post - I can't go through them all - and i also said the game has been going this way a long time and that Limerick are the latest extreme example of it. It would be interesting to see those stats this year. But stats are stats - the eye test is the eye test.
On an obviously completely separate point, but it's an interesting analogy to cynical fouling in games and trying to win an argument, you know the way some people sign into burner accounts and try to make an issue about two opposing counties rather than the point being made, that's great isn't it? Posters that have very few posts over say years - and the magic of their point, gets another poster to comment directly afterwards. A poster who hasn't managed to get a decent point across but always tries to point out irrelevant issues with a particular county rather than argue the actual argument and point? That's almost like cynical hurling, isn't it? Kind of interesting, I thought.
Oh I agree that something should be done about cynical play but brandishing red/black cards willy nilly is not the answer. Strategic diving will be coached and lads will be dropping like flies. This would be by far the greater of the two evils IMO. There are rules there already that can combat cynical play, if used effectively. But unfortunately it's getting harder and harder every year for one ref to keep up with the game.
Shane Stapleton made an interesting suggestion that a penalty should be awarded for professional fouls, even ones out the field. Not a bad idea but still open to abuse by playing for frees. I'd still rather see an unjust penalty awarded against me though than an unjust red card.0 -
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