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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2020

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    #4442
    Spanish Johnny
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Spanish Johnny


    blackspot91 wrote: »
    How many times were they just beating an Ulster team in a semi final and that was it?

    Zero


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    #4443
    Robson99
    Registered Users Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Robson99


    blackspot91 wrote: »
    How many times were they just beating an Ulster team in a semi final and that was it?

    You need to do a bit more homework


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    #4444
    carq
    Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭carq


    blackspot91 wrote: »
    The free count was 19 10 in Waterford's favour.


    could and should have been more.
    What does that tell you about limericks approach / fouling tactics?
    Its a clear strategy.
    If that's the way we are all heading then wonderful, rucks fouls and then 'defensive reset' and start again.
    Exciting times for 2021

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/gaa-statistics-it-s-not-how-many-frees-limerick-concede-against-waterford-but-where-1.4432281


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    #4445
    Eoinbmw
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    blackspot91 wrote: »
    I had heard that he wanted to transfer to South Liberties when the family are originally from but certainly wasn't going to go to Na Piarsigh, makes no sense.
    Well Ger his father and Limerick senior hurling stallworth is an Old Christians and limerick city native?


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    #4446
    Billy Ocean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    blackspot91 wrote: »
    The free count was 19 10 in Waterford's favour.
    Because Limerick were very cynical


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    #4447
    raindodger
    Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭raindodger


    The template of this limerick team was forged with the intent of taking on the kings of hurling kilkenny.
    We had to get strong enough skilfull enough and mentally tough enough to do so.
    Then design a game plan to compete.
    With our old style (hit as far as you can we won 2 in about a 100 years and were source of much amusement to some of our opponents )
    Are we going to change ? No, but the game will evolve to beat us from our view hopefully not for along time
    We were the county of unlimited heartbreak so are going to enjoy this while we can


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    #4448
    somespud
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭somespud


    One reason the free count is so lopsided against Limerick is because of Limericks physicality and strength, they tend to ride out foul challenges by not going to ground and developing scoring chances whether advantage is or isn't played.


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    #4449
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Billy Ocean wrote: »
    Because Limerick were very cynical

    There was at least two straight reds Waterford could have been given for contact with the head, be grateful Horgan let so much go, it could have been an even bigger score :o


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    #4450
    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    Where is St Patrick's in Limerick?


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    #4451
    Eoinbmw
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    sasta le wrote: »
    Where is St Patrick's in Limerick?

    Rhebouge in the city


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    #4452
    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    Eoinbmw wrote: »
    Rhebouge in the city

    So say UL..so Monaleen is the senior club in the area?


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    #4453
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users Posts: 17,332 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And Galway are the last team to win back-to-back All-Ireland's outside of the top two.

    Yes, 87 and 88.


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    #4454
    Eoinbmw
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    sasta le wrote: »
    So say UL..so Monaleen is the senior club in the area?

    At the moment they would be the nearest Senior, Claughan would be the nearest Club after that and Old Christians from there!
    All one time senior hurling clubs but all struggling the last while!


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    #4455
    WicklaBlaa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭WicklaBlaa


    Article in the Examiner today:

    "GAA propose penalties for cynical fouls that deny goal-scoring opportunities.

    The trial rule, based on evidence in this year’s competitions, will be one of eight recommendations presented to Central Council tomorrow...

    It will see the infringing player sin-binned for 10 minutes. The black card will remain in football but a yellow card sin bin will only apply in hurling when a goal-scoring chance has been prevented by one of the listed cynical fouls".

    Hopefully it will pass and will stop some of the cynical fouling we have witnessed this year, particularly when teams are chasing goals.


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    #4456
    formerlyET
    Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    WicklaBlaa wrote: »
    Article in the Examiner today:

    "GAA propose penalties for cynical fouls that deny goal-scoring opportunities.

    The trial rule, based on evidence in this year’s competitions, will be one of eight recommendations presented to Central Council tomorrow...

    It will see the infringing player sin-binned for 10 minutes. The black card will remain in football but a yellow card sin bin will only apply in hurling when a goal-scoring chance has been prevented by one of the listed cynical fouls".

    Hopefully it will pass and will stop some of the cynical fouling we have witnessed this year, particularly when teams are chasing goals.

    That's only one part of it. What about all the dragging and pulling down of wing backs and midfielders that stops teams breaking through the lines to set up attacks. A lot of goal opportunities come from that. I'd love to see where most of these frees are given away. Because teams are trying to get teams to go short and then foul them in the wing back areas to stop the flow of their game - and it's just stopping the game developing, and it becomes a free contest. It's taking off the cuff play out of the game.


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    #4457
    BloodyBill
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    sasta le wrote: »
    So say UL..so Monaleen is the senior club in the area?

    There's no parish rule so he could go to whomever he liked. I dont see him leaving St Patricks . Ger senior stayed with Old Christians all the way through and they weren't up to much either


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    #4458
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    There's no parish rule so he could go to whomever he liked. I dont see him leaving St Patricks . Ger senior stayed with Old Christians all the way through and they weren't up to much either


    And its not like playing for Pats has held him back


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    #4459
    conor05
    Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭conor05


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    And its not like playing for Pats has held him back

    And realistically how much training would he do with St.Pats.

    He is basically full-time with Limerick now in a high performance environment.

    His level is not going to drop off by playing a few championship matches with St. Pats


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    #4460
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭threeball


    WicklaBlaa wrote: »
    Article in the Examiner today:

    "GAA propose penalties for cynical fouls that deny goal-scoring opportunities.

    The trial rule, based on evidence in this year’s competitions, will be one of eight recommendations presented to Central Council tomorrow...

    It will see the infringing player sin-binned for 10 minutes. The black card will remain in football but a yellow card sin bin will only apply in hurling when a goal-scoring chance has been prevented by one of the listed cynical fouls".

    Hopefully it will pass and will stop some of the cynical fouling we have witnessed this year, particularly when teams are chasing goals.

    They need to advance cynical fouls further back the field up to the edge of the D and sin bin the player too.


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    #4461
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    conor05 wrote: »
    And realistically how much training would he do with St.Pats.

    He is basically full-time with Limerick now in a high performance environment.

    His level is not going to drop off by playing a few championship matches with St. Pats


    This was the real genius behind the academy. Finding and bringing on Limericks best players regardless of them being with a lower tier club or from out in Kildimo or some other non hurling area


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    #4462
    [Deleted User]
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    This was the real genius behind the academy. Finding and bringing on Limericks best players regardless of them being with a lower tier club or from out in Kildimo or some other non hurling area

    Don't let the good folks of Kildimo hear you saying they are from a non-hurling area.


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    #4463
    Girly Gal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    WicklaBlaa wrote: »
    Article in the Examiner today:

    "GAA propose penalties for cynical fouls that deny goal-scoring opportunities.

    The trial rule, based on evidence in this year’s competitions, will be one of eight recommendations presented to Central Council tomorrow...

    It will see the infringing player sin-binned for 10 minutes. The black card will remain in football but a yellow card sin bin will only apply in hurling when a goal-scoring chance has been prevented by one of the listed cynical fouls".

    Hopefully it will pass and will stop some of the cynical fouling we have witnessed this year, particularly when teams are chasing goals.

    It should apply all over the pitch not just for a goal scoring opportunity, there's plenty of cynical fouling going on out the field


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    #4464
    blackspot91
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭blackspot91


    Robson99 wrote: »
    You need to do a bit more homework

    I asked a question, didn't make a statement.. I was doing my homework here! :D


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    #4465
    blackspot91
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭blackspot91


    Robson99 wrote: »
    You need to do a bit more homework

    Just looked into it.. 1900 Galway v Antrim all Ireland final.. Now!!


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    #4466
    benji79
    Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    The confusion could be what is a genuine goal scoring opportunity. Different refs could interpret that in their own personal way. It needs to be really well defined


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    #4467
    Girly Gal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    blackspot91 wrote: »
    Just looked into it.. 1900 Galway v Antrim all Ireland final.. Now!!

    That was the football semi final, not hurling


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    #4468
    formerlyET
    Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭formerlyET


    Girly Gal wrote: »
    That was the football semi final, not hurling

    Homework is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtGNywkxw2U&ab_channel=NBJDCZZstyle1


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    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    threeball wrote: »
    They need to advance cynical fouls further back the field up to the edge of the D and sin bin the player too.

    It ll be a shambles, any time a forward turns his man and runs and is then stopped by a foul they ll give a penalty . Way too broad of a rule . A ref can interpret anything he wants if it gets past. A sin bin and a penalty is too harsh aswell. 1 or the other not both..


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    #4470
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭threeball


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    It ll be a shambles, any time a forward turns his man and runs and is then stopped by a foul they ll give a penalty . Way too broad of a rule . A ref can interpret anything he wants if it gets past. A sin bin and a penalty is too harsh aswell. 1 or the other not both..

    Its not too harsh for goal scoring opportunities and for out the field it would be a free from the edge of the D not a penalty. The cynicism has to be stopped. It completely destroyed this years games. There was lads get pulled down all over the shop. That and constanty pulling the catching arm then releasing and pulling again. Its gone as bad as the football if not worse due to there being no punishment whatsoever.
    Refs can interpret any rule whatever way they wish, its always been the way with all rules, doesn't matter whether its steps or pulling across a lads back. Its always down to a refs interpretation.


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    #4471
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    It ll be a shambles, any time a forward turns his man and runs and is then stopped by a foul they ll give a penalty . Way too broad of a rule . A ref can interpret anything he wants if it gets past. A sin bin and a penalty is too harsh aswell. 1 or the other not both..

    It's ample punishment not too harsh at all. Been that way in soccer for years. Foul preventing a clear goalscoring chance is an automatic red card. The players know the score, they still do it the odd time but they know the punishment for doing so. Severe punishment and consistent application of the rule won't be long knocking this ****e out of the game.


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