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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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    #1742
    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    Why quarantine anyone coming in? If they have their PCR test why quarantine them?
    There are Irish people spreading it day in and day out. A result of your "meaningful" Christmas.

    I'm away from Ireland 16 months. Being one of the responsible ones while idiots back home make me delay seeing my family once again.

    If you're going to quarantine then quarantine every covid positive person, not just incoming traffic.

    Well people should be acting like they have covid at the minute and isolate where they can.


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    #1743
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,318 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    Why quarantine anyone coming in? If they have their PCR test why quarantine them?
    There are Irish people spreading it day in and day out. A result of your "meaningful" Christmas.

    I'm away from Ireland 16 months. Being one of the responsible ones while idiots back home make me delay seeing my family once again.

    If you're going to quarantine then quarantine every covid positive person, not just incoming traffic.

    We had it down in Ireland. It came back because it was brought in. Irish people mostly returning for Christmas, the stupid fools should have stayed where they were.


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    #1744
    CJhaughey
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    Looks like most of EU is starting to move towards total travel bans even intra-EU.
    What is the bet that our shambolic government will be last to the party and move towards the ban gradually, while wringing their collective hands and muttering about disproportionality and two island problems etc.
    FFS! this is a global problem and aside from the damage caused already to lives and livelihoods it can potentially go on and on ad infinitum as the new variants mutate and render the vaccines less effective.

    Don't forget we went from one of the best to the worst in the world all because we had a *meaningful christmas*.
    Thanks very much Taoiseach for all the deaths and misery that that piece of stupidity caused.

    If you were in NPHET right now it must feel like being Dr Fauci under Trump, this virus doesn't obey political feelings or gut feelings.
    Having the country locked down is not sustainable forever, a travel ban and mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks like NZ have done is the only way we will move away from this present cycle.


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    #1745
    a_squirrelman
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    We had it down in Ireland. It came back because it was brought in. Irish people mostly returning for Christmas, the stupid fools should have stayed where they were.

    No. It was Irish people already in Ireland having their meaningful Christmas. Most people did stay away.
    Take ownership for the lovely Christmas ye all had. Stop looking to clear your consciences by blaming something that wasn't responsible.


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    #1746
    UDAWINNER
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    Should be two weeks quarantine like in some countries and at their own expense.
    People should not travelling at this time and tourists should not be welcomed either during this period. But micheal and his cohorts won't have the balls to do it.


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    #1747
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,318 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    No. It was Irish people already in Ireland having their meaningful Christmas. Most people did stay away.
    Take ownership for the lovely Christmas ye all had. Stop looking to clear your consciences by blaming something that wasn't responsible.

    It was both and I’m not looking to clear conscience, but it’s the UK strain that is taking over now. Fairly obvious where that came from


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    #1748
    Cerveza
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    It was both and I’m not looking to clear conscience, but it’s the UK strain that is taking over now. Fairly obvious where that came from

    All the house parties and the Mary’s downing Lidl wine in each other’s houses didn’t spread it all.


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    #1749
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,318 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    Should be two weeks quarantine like in some countries and at their own expense.
    People should not travelling at this time and tourists should not be welcomed either during this period. But micheal and his cohorts won't have the balls to do it.

    Better do it now. Then get that eejit Johnson to do the same so The North does likewise


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    #1750
    ginoginelli
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    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Looks like most of EU is starting to move towards total travel bans even intra-EU.
    What is the bet that our shambolic government will be last to the party and move towards the ban gradually, while wringing their collective hands and muttering about disproportionality and two island problems etc.
    FFS! this is a global problem and aside from the damage caused already to lives and livelihoods it can potentially go on and on ad infinitum as the new variants mutate and render the vaccines less effective.

    Don't forget we went from one of the best to the worst in the world all because we had a *meaningful christmas*.
    Thanks very much Taoiseach for all the deaths and misery that that piece of stupidity caused.

    If you were in NPHET right now it must feel like being Dr Fauci under Trump, this virus doesn't obey political feelings or gut feelings.
    Having the country locked down is not sustainable forever, a travel ban and mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks like NZ have done is the only way we will move away from this present cycle.


    Well summed up. The frustration of the public is palpable now.

    90 percent in a recent poll want hotel quaranting. It's being recommended by nphet too.

    Those ****ers in the dail better get their act together and implement this asap.


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    #1751
    faceman
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    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Looks like most of EU is starting to move towards total travel bans even intra-EU.

    Not true

    https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/22/eu-travel-bans-bloc-leaders-agree-to-keep-borders-open-for-now


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    #1752
    [Deleted User]
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    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Looks like most of EU is starting to move towards total travel bans even intra-EU.
    What is the bet that our shambolic government will be last to the party and move towards the ban gradually, while wringing their collective hands and muttering about disproportionality and two island problems etc.
    FFS! this is a global problem and aside from the damage caused already to lives and livelihoods it can potentially go on and on ad infinitum as the new variants mutate and render the vaccines less effective.

    Don't forget we went from one of the best to the worst in the world all because we had a *meaningful christmas*.
    Thanks very much Taoiseach for all the deaths and misery that that piece of stupidity caused.

    If you were in NPHET right now it must feel like being Dr Fauci under Trump, this virus doesn't obey political feelings or gut feelings.
    Having the country locked down is not sustainable forever, a travel ban and mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks like NZ have done is the only way we will move away from this present cycle.

    Think you’ll find that EU leaders are desperate to do the exact opposite of what you are suggesting. They want to keep borders open, and implement a rigorous PCR testing regime for all internal borders. Exactly what Ireland and the UK have now done


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    #1753
    CJhaughey
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    faceman wrote: »
    Not true

    https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/22/eu-travel-bans-bloc-leaders-agree-to-keep-borders-open-for-now

    Your link states: For Now...
    I said Moving towards...
    Not a lot of daylight between those two terms IMHO.
    Look at Denmark, I accept this is not a ban but in real terms its as stringent as New Zealands travel requirements.


    COVID-19 Status
    Travel to Denmark from Ireland

    Information about restrictions on passengers entering Denmark from green, orange, red and grey regions under the new EU Recommendation (‘traffic lights’ system) which applies to EU / EEA countries is available here: https://coronasmitte.dk/en/entry-into-denmark

    Denmark’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has now classed every country in the world as ‘red’ and advises against all travel, not just non-essential travel. In order to enter Denmark, all passengers regardless of nationality or purpose will need to show proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken within 24 hours of entry. This requirement comes into effect at 17:00 on 9 January. This test does not need to be a PCR test and can be a rapid test. In addition those wishing to enter Denmark will still need to prove that they have a worthy purpose, details of what constitutes a worthy purpose and requirements for the test are listed here: https://coronasmitte.dk/en/entry-into-denmark/persons-resident-in-banned-countries.

    Requirements for restricting movements on arrival are detailed in the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs website: https://um.dk/en/travel-and-residence/coronavirus-covid-19/. Those entering Denmark will need to isolate for 10 days upon arrival, this period can be shortened by a negative test taken a minimum of four days after entry. There are certain exemptions to the self-isolation requirement depending on the reason for entry.
    https://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/denmark/


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    #1754
    tom1ie
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    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    No. It was Irish people already in Ireland having their meaningful Christmas. Most people did stay away.
    Take ownership for the lovely Christmas ye all had. Stop looking to clear your consciences by blaming something that wasn't responsible.

    It was a mixture of both.
    People went mad and they should take the blame for that. There should have been no Christmas visits.
    However plenty of people came home to visit from other hotspots and infected family and friends.
    We are all paying for this selfishness now.
    Therefore a three pronged attack is what is finally happening:
    Vaccinations
    Enforced quarantine for people coming into the country.
    Enforced restrictions for residents.


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    #1755
    a_squirrelman
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    tom1ie wrote: »
    It was a mixture of both.
    People went mad and they should take the blame for that. There should have been no Christmas visits.
    However plenty of people came home to visit from other hotspots and infected family and friends.
    We are all paying for this selfishness now.
    Therefore a three pronged attack is what is finally happening:
    Vaccinations
    Enforced quarantine for people coming into the country.
    Enforced restrictions for residents.

    I was listening to RTE Radio 1 interviewing those coming in before Christmas, almost all of those interviewed said they had self isolated before travelling.
    Sounds more responsible than selfish to me.
    But for sure some of those that arrived weren't careful before travelling, no more than the countless selfish people having gaf parties.


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    #1756
    tom1ie
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    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    I was listening to RTE Radio 1 interviewing those coming in before Christmas, almost all of those interviewed said they had self isolated before travelling.
    Sounds more responsible than selfish to me.
    But for sure some of those that arrived weren't careful before travelling, no more than the countless selfish people having gaf parties.

    Do you honestly think they’d tell rte they hadn’t isolated?
    Don’t be so naive!


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    #1757
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,723 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    I was listening to RTE Radio 1 interviewing those coming in before Christmas, almost all of those interviewed said they had self isolated before travelling.
    Sounds more responsible than selfish to me.
    But for sure some of those that arrived weren't careful before travelling, no more than the countless selfish people having gaf parties.

    If they were responsible they wouldn't have travelled. As loads of people who didn't travel.

    Because there was a pandemic. Even if they isolated before they travelled you can't isolate while you are travelling.


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    #1758
    a_squirrelman
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    If they were responsible they wouldn't have travelled. As loads of people who didn't travel.

    Because there was a pandemic. Even if they isolated before they travelled you can't isolate while you are travelling.

    No, things aren't black and white. Some people who travelled home took precautions and were careful.
    I wasn't comfortable with it so didn't make the trip. But yeah, feel free to blame those who travelled. Nothing to do with the lovely Christmas ye had.


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    #1759
    a_squirrelman
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    tom1ie wrote: »
    Do you honestly think they’d tell rte they hadn’t isolated?
    Don’t be so naive!

    One girl was in full PPE from London to Dublin and was gonna isolate before meeting her elderly parents.
    A dope of a man was flying in in the morning to spend the day with friends before f-ing back to London on an evening flight.
    So yeah, Rte shared a variety of stories.


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    #1760
    gozunda
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    faceman wrote: »
    All this focus on travel is such crap.

    1/3 of cases acquired at present occur in hospitals. Why no discussion about that?

    Confirmed covid cases in Ireland are under no obligation to isolate. Why no discussion about that?

    Not quite.

    A "third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus"* whilst in hospital.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/


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    #1761
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,723 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    No, things aren't black and white. Some people who travelled home took precautions and were careful.
    I wasn't comfortable with it so didn't make the trip. But yeah, feel free to blame those who travelled. Nothing to do with the lovely Christmas ye had.

    I'm not blaming anyone. Didn't say anything about anyones lovely Christmas.

    Just making the blindingly obvious point that more responsible people didn't travel. Doesn't matter if they took precautions they choose to take a risk by travelling.

    If they were more concerned about the spread they would not have travelled.


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    #1762
    caveat emptor
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    About time 5km was treated as 5km. Wonder how many will actually be fined for non essential travel. Fairly severe if turned back as you get a fine and the cost of rescheduling /cancelling the flight.

    https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1352938773458378752?s=20


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    #1763
    fm
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    I'm not blaming anyone. Didn't say anything about anyones lovely Christmas.

    Just making the blindingly obvious point that more responsible people didn't travel. Doesn't matter if they took precautions they choose to take a risk by travelling.

    If they were more concerned about the spread they would not have travelled.

    Same so could be said about people working or college students say in dublin and going home to their parents for Christmas in galway or wherever and getting a test before hand. We're they as irresponsible also?, it's the same


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    #1764
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,723 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    About time 5km was treated as 5km. Wonder how many will actually be fined for non essential travel. Fairly severe if turned back as you get a fine and the cost of rescheduling /cancelling the flight.

    https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1352938773458378752?s=20

    Delighted they are finally doing something about this.


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    #1765
    faceman
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    About time 5km was treated as 5km. Wonder how many will actually be fined for non essential travel. Fairly severe if turned back as you get a fine and the cost of rescheduling /cancelling the flight.

    https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1352938773458378752?s=20

    Theres no legal mandate to say you can't travel internationally. Ireland has signed up to the EU traffic light system. Therefore Im not sure on what grounds the Gardai cant prevent people travelling to the airport.

    Also isn't people's gripe the incoming travellers? Shouldn't they be on the other side of the road? :P


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    #1766
    faceman
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Not quite.

    A "third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus"* whilst in hospital.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

    Yeah thats what I meant. I cant reveal where but I know first hand of a hospital that was mixing covid and non-covid patients on wards.


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    #1767
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,619 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    About time 5km was treated as 5km. Wonder how many will actually be fined for non essential travel. Fairly severe if turned back as you get a fine and the cost of rescheduling /cancelling the flight.

    That's just for PR, won't stop anyone leaving the country and won't stop anyone arriving....

    Wasn't a single checkpoint anywhere near the airport all 2020 when it may have made sense back in March/April...


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    #1768
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Delighted they are finally doing something about this.

    Doing what exactly? Just a PR exercise


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    #1769
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    People going to airports (to fly out) is a distraction.
    If countries are foolish enough to let them in without ensuring proper precautions are in place that is their problem. Ireland's responsibility around air travel in relation to coronavirus control is people coming into the state, including Irish people returning from spring breaks in Belgrade and the like! :pac:
    CJhaughey wrote: »
    If you were in NPHET right now it must feel like being Dr Fauci under Trump, this virus doesn't obey political feelings or gut feelings.

    Ah its not that bad, the US leadership/politicians have been in a class of their own
    Any political/policy errors here have also been made in other European countries and were more (IMO) a case of not taking the whole situation seriously enough in hindsight rather than trying to deny (or cherry pick) evidence/science etc to fit beliefs and political ideology


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    #1770
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,274 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    One flight into Ireland sparked 59 Covid cases in six HSE regions - study
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213163.html


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    #1771
    Harry Palmr
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    Israel to ban all commercial passenger flights for two weeks. Then review.


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