Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Datacore

Who actually drives policies here? Airlines?! Seems we just keep taking extremely lax approaches to border bio security.

The rules need to apply to everyone entering from high risk locations, regardless of nationality, including our own citizens. It’s nothing to do with nationality. It’s just about viruses.

Quarantine safely and then enter without any risk. Surely providing safe facilities would be much, much cheaper than chasing down outbreaks in the community.

It doesn’t need to close the borders, just for the duration of this keep the virus out while doing our best to facilitate travel where needed.

faceman

Datacore wrote: »

Who actually drives policies here? Airlines?! Seems we just keep taking extremely lax approaches to border bio security.

The rules need to apply to everyone entering from high risk locations, regardless of nationality, including our own citizens. It’s nothing to do with nationality. It’s just about viruses.

Quarantine safely and then enter without any risk. Surely providing safe facilities would be much, much cheaper than chasing down outbreaks in the community.

It doesn’t need to close the borders, just for the duration of this keep the virus out while doing our best to facilitate travel where needed.

Daily cases for Ireland 20th July 2020: 6

Air travel was open with no passenger locator form or pcr testing....

faceman

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The Brazilian strain variant is worse than the UK or Chinese variant, spreads faster more lethal apparently, we on lockdown but not coming from another country with high cases and deaths

None of the new variants are more lethal. They are more contagious

ShineOn7

Will the Irish "government" finally get their shít together because their bosses in the EU insist on it?

Let's fcuking hope so

Mandatory travel quarantine should be introduced by Ireland, experts urge

EU countries ‘moving to same conclusions’ on need to introduce measure

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/mandatory-travel-quarantine-should-be-introduced-by-ireland-experts-urge-1.4464184?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fmandatory-travel-quarantine-should-be-introduced-by-ireland-experts-urge-1.4464184



Edit:

I've just seen the first expert mentioned (or "expert" in this case) is Anthony Staines

Oh well!

ShineOn7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Will the Irish "government" finally get their shít together because their bosses in the EU insist on it?

Let's fcuking hope so




https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/mandatory-travel-quarantine-should-be-introduced-by-ireland-experts-urge-1.4464184?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fmandatory-travel-quarantine-should-be-introduced-by-ireland-experts-urge-1.4464184

But EU countries can already do this, no? France banned UK travel in its entirety around Christmas. I think Merkel is trying to get a coordinated approach from the whole EU as I don’t see one EU country doing it on their own long term. Don’t know that Spain, Italy and Greece would go for it.....certainly not beyond Easter....they will be desperate to start getting tourists in

The UK Times reported that there is an EU meeting tomorrow to discuss proposed measures. Merkel seems to be in a bit of a panic.....the German wave looks like it’s a few weeks behind the UK, which is now clearly declining

JP Liz V1

faceman wrote: »

None of the new variants are more lethal. They are more contagious

I think that's what I meant worded wrong

faceman

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think that's what I meant worded wrong

Bold

saabsaab

faceman wrote: »

Daily cases for Ireland 20th July 2020: 6

Air travel was open with no passenger locator form or pcr testing....

Yes but look at the figures 6 weeks or so later!

political analyst

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0121/1191199-mandatory-quarantine/

Varadkar said the 3 main reasons for opposing mandatory quarantine were that it is "disproportionate", because positive Covid-19 cases within the State were not quarantined; the EU's stringent rules on the freedom of movement; and the fact that Ireland cannot control its border, i.e. with Northern Ireland, in the same way that other island states can.

Why won't the European Commission let EU member states suspend freedom of movement so that national governments can quarantine people who arrive by flight?

munchkin_utd

Why on earth would Ireland want to stop people coming IN ???

Surely its the other way round. Ireland is riddled wth covid, and lots of the UK variant too, so really Ireland should be sealed off from Europe and not the other way round ????

btw, theres an EU heads of government meeting tonight on Covid and this may be the result, seeing as people LEAVING ireland are a danger, not people arriving into the island.

a_squirrelman

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0121/1191199-mandatory-quarantine/

Varadkar said the 3 main reasons for opposing mandatory quarantine were that it is "disproportionate", because positive Covid-19 cases within the State were not quarantined; the EU's stringent rules on the freedom of movement; and the fact that Ireland cannot control its border, i.e. with Northern Ireland, in the same way that other island states can.

Why won't the European Commission let EU member states suspend freedom of movement so that national governments can quarantine people who arrive by flight?

Countries can temporarily stop the freedom of movement into their countries, if there is a national emergency. Slovakia did it back at the start of the pandemic and people coming in were thrown into state accommodation for 14 days.

Edit: Those without residency weren't allowed in. Slovak citizens and those with residency were thrown in the state facilities.

whisky_galore

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0121/1191199-mandatory-quarantine/

Varadkar said the 3 main reasons for opposing mandatory quarantine were that it is "disproportionate", because positive Covid-19 cases within the State were not quarantined; the EU's stringent rules on the freedom of movement; and the fact that Ireland cannot control its border, i.e. with Northern Ireland, in the same way that other island states can.

Why won't the European Commission let EU member states suspend freedom of movement so that national governments can quarantine people who arrive by flight?

Smell of learned helplessness off this. It would mean getting up off our holes and doing something.

We hum, haw and procrastinate about multinationals and their favourable tax breaks when tackled. We're all loved up about the EU only when it suits.

gozunda

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Countries can temporarily stop the freedom of movement into their countries, if there is a national emergency. Slovakia did it back at the start of the pandemic and people coming in were thrown into state accommodation for 14 days.

Edit: Those without residency weren't allowed in. Slovak citizens and those with residency were thrown in the state facilities.

As above the "the EU's stringent rules on the freedom of movement" largely depends on who's doing the closing.

One of the main movers and shakers in the EU - had no such problems back in March when it closed it borders with France, Austria and Switzerland except for commercial traffic. At the same time we were being told it wouldn't be possible here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51905129

ShineOn7

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1352582586867068929

faceman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1352582586867068929

All this focus on travel is such crap.

1/3 of cases acquired at present occur in hospitals. Why no discussion about that?

Confirmed covid cases in Ireland are under no obligation to isolate. Why no discussion about that?

Amirani

faceman wrote: »

All this focus on travel is such crap.

1/3 of cases acquired at present occur in hospitals. Why no discussion about that?

People have to go to hospital, it's not something they're really doing for the fun of it.

Given our hospital buildings are not built with single occupancy negative pressure rooms, then there's not much we can do about stopping transmission in hospitals.

mickdw

faceman wrote: »

All this focus on travel is such crap.

1/3 of cases acquired at present occur in hospitals. Why no discussion about that?

Confirmed covid cases in Ireland are under no obligation to isolate. Why no discussion about that?

The danger is bringing in dangerous variants.
Whats the point in fighting here when a deadly strain can be in on the next plane.
Australia do it right. No concession given to international tennis players either. 14 day airport hotel stay at your own cost or else dont get off the plane.

whisky_galore

faceman wrote: »

All this focus on travel is such crap.

1/3 of cases acquired at present occur in hospitals. Why no discussion about that?

Confirmed covid cases in Ireland are under no obligation to isolate. Why no discussion about that?

All those cases in Belmullet after Xmas must be down to space aliens so.

faceman

mickdw wrote: »

The danger is bringing in dangerous variants.
Whats the point in fighting here when a deadly strain can be in on the next plane.
Australia do it right. No concession given to international tennis players either. 14 day airport hotel stay at your own cost or else dont get off the plane.

PCR testing is legally required prior to arrival. Add testing on arrival for high risk countries and you're covering a high probability of catching anyone.

Australia, screw that, anyone with family, connections or work commitments outside of the country have not been permitted to see those people up to now, nor will they be permitted in the foreseeable

As we know from studies done in China, extreme approaches bring problems through circumnavigation fo the rules and lying to contact tracing/testing teams. Australia doesn’t have to worry about this given it’s geography

Suggesting 14 day mandatory hotel stays at the cost of a travelling Irish citizen is a major human rights, civil liberties and privacy issue

But despite this, 2371 people were diagnosed with covid-19 in Ireland in the last 24 hours and not one of them is legal required to self isolate.

What’s your justification for pushing the travel issue but not insisting on mandatory quarantine for confirmed cases?

Mr. Karate

faceman wrote: »

All this focus on travel is such crap.

1/3 of cases acquired at present occur in hospitals. Why no discussion about that?

Confirmed covid cases in Ireland are under no obligation to isolate. Why no discussion about that?

And cast St. Tony in a negative light? Burn this heretic.

Tenzor07

mickdw wrote: »

The danger is bringing in dangerous variants.
Whats the point in fighting here when a deadly strain can be in on the next plane.
Australia do it right. No concession given to international tennis players either. 14 day airport hotel stay at your own cost or else dont get off the plane.

Same goes for Lorry drivers coming in through the seaports and cargo plane crews too, 14 days in a quarantine hotel right?

FFS, Ireland is never going to put its residents or citizens into hotel quarantine. I wish that we could just put that to bed. Neither is the UK or any of the EU.

Travel will be made more difficult for sure. Testing, possibly both ends, tighter monitoring of self isolation, maybe short term bans on non-residents coming in to each country (until maybe May when Spain, Greece and Italy will want some tourists). All those things will substantially dissuade travelling, and reduce the risk from those who do travel.

FWIW, if the EU closes its internal borders to non-residents of each country, there are plenty of other places to go once it gets a bit warmer. In that situation I’ll likely head to somewhere like Belgrade (if you’ve never been, you have to go) or Sarajevo. They’re open, with a negative PCR test and though there is a curfew in the evening, the days are as normal

tom1ie

[Deleted User] wrote: »

FFS, Ireland is never going to put its residents or citizens into hotel quarantine. I wish that we could just put that to bed. Neither is the UK or any of the EU.

In your opinion.
Doesn’t mean your opinion is correct.

Gradius

I know of quite a few cases where people are taking the absolute mickey. Flying in and out of Brazil and Spain.

And what happens when they get back? Nothing. "Please isolate, or else nothing will happen".

Meanwhile people are getting fined for driving outside 5km??

fly_agaric

Deleted User wrote: »

I’ll likely head to ... Belgrade (if you’ve never been, you have to go) or Sarajevo. They’re open

Ah Sarajevo in Pox Time for the holliers! This thread never disappoints.

mickdw

faceman wrote: »

PCR testing is legally required prior to arrival. Add testing on arrival for high risk countries and you're covering a high probability of catching anyone.

Australia, screw that, anyone with family, connections or work commitments outside of the country have not been permitted to see those people up to now, nor will they be permitted in the foreseeable

As we know from studies done in China, extreme approaches bring problems through circumnavigation fo the rules and lying to contact tracing/testing teams. Australia doesn’t have to worry about this given it’s geography

Suggesting 14 day mandatory hotel stays at the cost of a travelling Irish citizen is a major human rights, civil liberties and privacy issue

But despite this, 2371 people were diagnosed with covid-19 in Ireland in the last 24 hours and not one of them is legal required to self isolate.

What’s your justification for pushing the travel issue but not insisting on mandatory quarantine for confirmed cases?

Im absolutely for mandatory quarantine for positive cases. This would be huge benefit in dropping current numbers.
The travel quarantine would be to prevent incoming new strains.
The country is practically closed. Who really needs to be travelling in from brazil to ireland at the minute? Why let them in without quarantine?

Ive seen the damage done in small rural towns this christmas. People came in from uk and stupidly walked straight into family, parents etc, had gathering and dined out and infected large groups. So when people are too stupid to comply, they must be made to comply or it will wipe out not only a generation but the ecomony also if let to continue. Surely a short harder lockdown is better than another 2 years of lockdown.

fly_agaric

faceman wrote: »

Confirmed covid cases in Ireland are under no obligation to isolate. Why no discussion about that?

You're right there, even if it is not actually the topic of the thread which could be why it is not being discussed here as you wish.

Somehow, I think you and others that post in opposition to travel restrictions would be screaming blue murder if the government by a miracle grew the stones to do that.

I can't see such people accepting themselves, family or perhaps people who work for them being compelled to isolate.

It'd be "I'll sue" this and "my rights" that and "no one can tell my workers not to come to work except me" etc etc I'd say.

Irish Gunner

What about people in UK who will have the vaccination will they be allowed in?

Take it they will need cert

Few people I know who are getting vaccinated, both doses, thinking of coming to Ireland

saabsaab

Irish Gunner wrote: »

What about people in UK who will have the vaccination will they be allowed in?

Take it they will need cert

Few people I know who are getting vaccinated, both doses, thinking of coming to Ireland

While they will be safe from covid it isn't certain that they couldn't still carry it.

monkeybutter

faceman wrote: »

PCR testing is legally required prior to arrival. Add testing on arrival for high risk countries and you're covering a high probability of catching anyone.

Australia, screw that, anyone with family, connections or work commitments outside of the country have not been permitted to see those people up to now, nor will they be permitted in the foreseeable

As we know from studies done in China, extreme approaches bring problems through circumnavigation fo the rules and lying to contact tracing/testing teams. Australia doesn’t have to worry about this given it’s geography

Suggesting 14 day mandatory hotel stays at the cost of a travelling Irish citizen is a major human rights, civil liberties and privacy issue

But despite this, 2371 people were diagnosed with covid-19 in Ireland in the last 24 hours and not one of them is legal required to self isolate.

What’s your justification for pushing the travel issue but not insisting on mandatory quarantine for confirmed cases?

This is classic, I wasn't allowed travel to another county during the year, where's the freedom of movement problem there

They only just started asking for PCR tests and that was only from high risk countries

The problem is the people who travel, do you think people came home at xmass to self isolate, of course they didn't

You make them quarantine until they pass a proper test taken here, the turn around is about 2 to 3 days, they pay

They didn't stop a load of Italians coming here for no other reason than to socialise

It is beyond a joke really