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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

ShineOn7

Otherwise all of the restrictions were for nothing

UK, the Americas and Sweden shouldn't be allowed into Ireland till they get their omnishambles together

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radiospan

faceman wrote: »

Travel only accounted for 0.2% pre-PCR travel

Think I missed your meaning, is this worded right?

faceman wrote: »

Travel isn’t the demonic presence that is being implied.

Agree completely. Could it be that some people's intuition is that open airports is like having leaky hole in a boat, and if only we can plug that, the virus would die out here? I had thought this myself before, but of course it makes no sense and is totally wrong intuition.

The people in the country (tens of thousands) who already have the virus are just as dangerous as someone hopping off a plane in Dublin. The only difference is there's more of them (people in the country already, I mean).

HBC08

I have to go to Australia later this year.
Looking into the details last night,have to stay in a hotel (a Travelodge) and be guarded 24/7,Will pay 3 grand for the privilege.
Imagine the howls of cival liberties being eroded if that was implemented here.

faceman

radiospan wrote: »

Think I missed your meaning, is this worded right?

Oops I fixed that

mickdw

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Same goes for Lorry drivers coming in through the seaports and cargo plane crews too, 14 days in a quarantine hotel right?

There are certainly better options than what we have.
Alot of trailer units are dropped at port, shunted onto and off ship and picked by driver on arrival.
If the percentage of truck freight doing this could be increased, it would help. Other essential truckers should really be getting tested daily. Look at how formula one managed testing and bubbles.
Cargo plane crews - stay on the plane if exiting the country sharpish. Aerlingus did this on china trips i believe. If hanging around for a week, well that needs to be quarantine at airport.

ShineOn7

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-facing-tough-covid-19-restrictions-for-first-six-months-of-2021-says-taoiseach-1.4466431

Ahead of a meeting of the Cabinet’s Covid sub-committee on Monday a range of options on tighter quarantine restrictions, including changes to the visa regime, were discussed by senior officials on Friday. But it is clear that a tightening of restrictions is on the way.

While there are continuing misgivings at senior level over the effectiveness and enforceability of a blanket mandatory quarantine, arrivals from South Africa and Brazil, as well as other South American countries, may nonetheless face a period of hotel quarantine if a full ban is not pursued.

Sources said this approach would allow the State to “test out” how such a system would work.

It is also expected that Garda enforcement of the ban on non-essential travel will be stepped up on routes to Dublin Airport.

They're having a "meeting on Monday"

No rush there Mehole. Just a pandemic going on. No panic at all

This does feel like their usual soft drop/leaking to the media though and some real changes are (fcuking finally!) coming

saabsaab

There isn't a certificate that you don't have Covid! You have tested negative - not the same thing.

Do we really want to import new and more deadly strains?

mickdw

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-facing-tough-covid-19-restrictions-for-first-six-months-of-2021-says-taoiseach-1.4466431

They're having a "meeting on Monday"

No rush there Mehole. Just a pandemic going on. No panic at all

This does feel like their usual soft drop/leaking to the media though and some real changes are (fcuking finally!) coming

Gov are having to play nice with uk to get something agreed across uk and ireland all because of the f*ucking north.
Everyone knows it has to be locked down but they know they cannot do it successfully without uk.
The people here arguing that its neither needed or possible are idiots. Senior politicians here also coming out with crap about free movement etc are just stalling for time but treating people like fools at the same time.

ShineOn7

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html

Passengers arriving into Ireland may be held in quarantine hotels for at least five days if they do not arrive witha negative Covid-19 test, Taoiseach Micheál Martin has revealed.

Speaking to the Irish Independent, Mr Martin said he is considering a number of quarantining options for international travellers as part of an attempt to stop the spread of the virus in Ireland.

The Taoiseach said he expected hotels, including the Citywest in Dublin, to be used as quarantine centres for people arriving in Ireland.
“You could be in quarantine until you get a test after five days that proves to be negative,” Mr Martin said.

It comes as UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned there was “some evidence” the UK strain of Covid, which accounts for 60pc of cases here, may also be up to 30pc more deadly.

Although the data is “uncertain”, the UK’s chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance suggested that for a man in his 60s, the risk of death with the new variant is 13 in 1,000 rather than 10 in 1,000.

Mr Martin said new quarantining regulations would “be close to sealing off the country”, a major policy shift but he insisted essential travel would be permitted.

I started this thread on the 18th of June

Finally some changes are coming

[Deleted User]

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html

I started this thread on the 18th of June

Finally some changes are coming

I travel and will continue to do so and am 100% supportive of this and always have been. Testing should always have been part of the approach, and people who rock up with no test shouldn’t be allowed in. It is a proportionate response that protects the country but does not freeze movement

faceman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html

I started this thread on the 18th of June

Finally some changes are coming

The nation thanks you for your service

ShineOn7

faceman wrote: »

The nation thanks you for your service

** takes a bow **

[Deleted User]

Still won’t be enough for Ryan and all the other zero covideers though

Rodin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I travel and will continue to do so and am 100% supportive of this and always have been. Testing should always have been part of the approach, and people who rock up with no test shouldn’t be allowed in. It is a proportionate response that protects the country but does not freeze movement

Fxxk proportionate responses.
They don't work and haven't worked.

tom1ie

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html

I started this thread on the 18th of June

Finally some changes are coming

So, if you go into quarantine for 5 days, is the PCR test taken on the 5th day? If negative are you free to go but if positive are you further quarantined?
Can a pcr show negative but you still have covid and only develop symptoms after day 6 etc.
Is that why Australia does 14 days quarantine?

normanoffside

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html

I started this thread on the 18th of June

Finally some changes are coming

But you are already required to have a Negative PCR test to arrive into Ireland. Airlines are enforcing this at checkin.

I saw an article yesterday and literally only a handful of passengers didn’t have a Negative test on arrival.

This is a non story again. Total optics.

tom1ie

normanoffside wrote: »

But you are already required to have a Negative PCR test to arrive into Ireland. Airlines are enforcing this at checkin.

I saw an article yesterday and literally only a handful of passengers didn’t have a Negative test on arrival.

This is a non story again. Total optics.

So the handful of passengers will now have to go into enforced quarantine. Good.
They could have covid.

normanoffside

tom1ie wrote: »

So the handful of passengers will now have to go into enforced quarantine. Good.
They could have covid.

Not disagreeing with that but it’s a very, very small part of the overall problem being completely overblown

Red Silurian

I'd almost go one step further and do it by county and then province, no point opening Kerry and keeping Dublin closed - unpopular I know

normanoffside wrote: »

Not disagreeing with that but it’s a very, very small part of the overall problem being completely overblown

Completely overblown, it's a minor issue atm and will have little or no impact on figures, but the public are out for blood this week and need to be pleased. Pcr or rapid tests at least is more than enough and should have been in place last summer, a big failure by Nphet.

faceman

tom1ie wrote: »

So the handful of passengers will now have to go into enforced quarantine. Good.
They could have covid.

People really have the horn for this topic. We don’t stick close contacts and confirmed cases in quarantine.

I guarantee you in a few days the gardai will call off their checkpoints at the airport and it will emerge they turned away one or two, if any at all.

(Note I do agree with quarantine for passengers with no test though)

So if you live within 5km of an airport you can go on holidays, a pr exercise by the guards today nothing else

ginoginelli

fm wrote: »

Completely overblown, it's a minor issue atm and will have little or no impact on figures, but the public are out for blood this week and need to be pleased. Pcr or rapid tests at least is more than enough and should have been in place last summer, a big failure by Nphet.

Hard to believe some people are so thick. Are you an anti masker too?

The overwhelming majority of all scientific communities are now advocating for it. It's the only way out of this thing.

ginoginelli wrote: »

Hard to believe some people are so thick. Are you an anti masker too?

The overwhelming majority of all scientific communities are now advocating for it. It's the only way out of this thing.

The only way? Yeah right

ginoginelli wrote: »

Hard to believe some people are so thick. Are you an anti masker too?

The overwhelming majority of all scientific communities are now advocating for it. It's the only way out of this thing.

So I believe testing at airports is a good thing and therefore I'm thick and an anti masker?

saabsaab

It's one of those rare times that the vast majority of the populace and the experts in the field are in agreement.

TheCitizen

Amazing that anyone ever voted against this. Quarantine anyone coming in and try to get that buffoon Johnson to do the same so it applies across both islands.

a_squirrelman

TheCitizen wrote: »

Amazing that anyone ever voted against this. Quarantine anyone coming in and try to get that buffoon Johnson to do the same so it applies across both islands.

Why quarantine anyone coming in? If they have their PCR test why quarantine them?
There are Irish people spreading it day in and day out. A result of your "meaningful" Christmas.

I'm away from Ireland 16 months. Being one of the responsible ones while idiots back home make me delay seeing my family once again.

If you're going to quarantine then quarantine every covid positive person, not just incoming traffic.

tom1ie

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Why quarantine anyone coming in? If they have their PCR test why quarantine them?
There are Irish people spreading it day in and day out. A result of your "meaningful" Christmas.

I'm away from Ireland 16 months. Being one of the responsible ones while idiots back home make me delay seeing my family once again.

If you're going to quarantine then quarantine every covid positive person, not just incoming traffic.

Well people should be acting like they have covid at the minute and isolate where they can.

TheCitizen

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Why quarantine anyone coming in? If they have their PCR test why quarantine them?
There are Irish people spreading it day in and day out. A result of your "meaningful" Christmas.

I'm away from Ireland 16 months. Being one of the responsible ones while idiots back home make me delay seeing my family once again.

If you're going to quarantine then quarantine every covid positive person, not just incoming traffic.

We had it down in Ireland. It came back because it was brought in. Irish people mostly returning for Christmas, the stupid fools should have stayed where they were.

CJhaughey

Looks like most of EU is starting to move towards total travel bans even intra-EU.
What is the bet that our shambolic government will be last to the party and move towards the ban gradually, while wringing their collective hands and muttering about disproportionality and two island problems etc.
FFS! this is a global problem and aside from the damage caused already to lives and livelihoods it can potentially go on and on ad infinitum as the new variants mutate and render the vaccines less effective.

Don't forget we went from one of the best to the worst in the world all because we had a *meaningful christmas*.
Thanks very much Taoiseach for all the deaths and misery that that piece of stupidity caused.

If you were in NPHET right now it must feel like being Dr Fauci under Trump, this virus doesn't obey political feelings or gut feelings.
Having the country locked down is not sustainable forever, a travel ban and mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks like NZ have done is the only way we will move away from this present cycle.