Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

faceman

mickdw wrote: »

Im absolutely for mandatory quarantine for positive cases. This would be huge benefit in dropping current numbers.

Agreed

wrote:

The travel quarantine would be to prevent incoming new strains.

We have a legal requirement to be tested prior to arrival and if travelling from a red country you can get tested again in day 5 and if negative be free of isolation. Why the need for mandatory quarantine?

wrote:

The country is practically closed. Who really needs to be travelling in from brazil to ireland at the minute? Why let them in without quarantine?

Leo answered this question in the media already

wrote:

Ive seen the damage done in small rural towns this christmas. People came in from uk and stupidly walked straight into family, parents etc, had gathering and dined out and infected large groups. So when people are too stupid to comply, they must be made to comply or it will wipe out not only a generation but the ecomony also if let to continue. Surely a short harder lockdown is better than another 2 years of lockdown.

As have I. I spent Christmas in Tramore. It was U.K. tourists or Brazilian holidaymakers that were packing out the notorious Ritz pub or the local restaurants and bars. It would be nice to say it was, we could blame anyone else but ourselves. In reality it was Irish people losing the run of themselves and establishment owners stretching, bending and breaking rules to ensure everyone had a merry Christmas

Irish Gunner

saabsaab wrote: »

While they will be safe from covid it isn't certain that they couldn't still carry it.

Not sure...

Few people think so i don't know how it's going to pan out..

faceman

monkeybutter wrote: »

This is classic, I wasn't allowed travel to another county during the year, where's the freedom of movement problem there

International travel within the EU wasn’t banned. What reason had you to go to another county?

wrote:

They only just started asking for PCR tests and that was only from high risk countries

Travel only accounted for 0.2% of cases pre the introduction of mandatory PCR testing and that figure is only going to go further down. I’ve previously shared numerous studies on travel and covid over the past number of months and I’m not doing it again.
Meanwhile 2371 cases were diagnosed over a 24 hour period yesterday and not one of the those people are legally required to isolate. 1/3 of our cases are being acquired in hospitals despite a ban on hospital visitors.

wrote:

The problem is the people who travel, do you think people came home at xmass to self isolate, of course they didn't

While I suspect the majority didn’t isolate, but none of us can say for sure. Non adherence to guidelines isn’t exclusive to travel though and is a larger issue in other aspects of Ireland.

wrote:

You make them quarantine until they pass a proper test taken here, the turn around is about 2 to 3 days, they pay

They are already legally required to provide a negative pcr test. Anyone who doesn’t should be subject to confinement and charges. Exceptions are absolutely necessary on emergency, essential and compassionate grounds. The concept of confining a blanket quarantine on people against their is highly unethical, unworkable and a disaster waiting to happen. Anyone supporting it should move to a country that currently does it and stay there

If you really want a mandatory quarantine to work you need to include essential supply chains as part of it. Truck drivers, transport operators, politicians etc. Are you willing to interrupt food and good supplies into Ireland so? For how long? And all while confirmed cases aren’t legally required to isolate.

If you had to shake hands with one of two people and these are your choices, who would you select?

* Person A is a confirmed case of covid but is standing in front of you because they’re not required to isolate

* Person B has arrived from another EU country but has a certificate confirming they don’t have covid

wrote:

They didn't stop a load of Italians coming here for no other reason than to socialise

It is beyond a joke really

This is a moot and redundant point. That ship has sailed. Besides, the original strain in Ireland didn’t come from Italy so stopping Italians visiting wouldn’t have made a difference.

Travel isn’t the demonic presence that is being implied. Even the EU recognise that. There are controls that can and are being applied to travel which should have been applied months ago.

radiospan

faceman wrote: »

Travel only accounted for 0.2% pre-PCR travel

Think I missed your meaning, is this worded right?

faceman wrote: »

Travel isn’t the demonic presence that is being implied.

Agree completely. Could it be that some people's intuition is that open airports is like having leaky hole in a boat, and if only we can plug that, the virus would die out here? I had thought this myself before, but of course it makes no sense and is totally wrong intuition.

The people in the country (tens of thousands) who already have the virus are just as dangerous as someone hopping off a plane in Dublin. The only difference is there's more of them (people in the country already, I mean).

HBC08

I have to go to Australia later this year.
Looking into the details last night,have to stay in a hotel (a Travelodge) and be guarded 24/7,Will pay 3 grand for the privilege.
Imagine the howls of cival liberties being eroded if that was implemented here.

faceman

radiospan wrote: »

Think I missed your meaning, is this worded right?

Oops I fixed that

mickdw

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Same goes for Lorry drivers coming in through the seaports and cargo plane crews too, 14 days in a quarantine hotel right?

There are certainly better options than what we have.
Alot of trailer units are dropped at port, shunted onto and off ship and picked by driver on arrival.
If the percentage of truck freight doing this could be increased, it would help. Other essential truckers should really be getting tested daily. Look at how formula one managed testing and bubbles.
Cargo plane crews - stay on the plane if exiting the country sharpish. Aerlingus did this on china trips i believe. If hanging around for a week, well that needs to be quarantine at airport.

ShineOn7

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-facing-tough-covid-19-restrictions-for-first-six-months-of-2021-says-taoiseach-1.4466431

Ahead of a meeting of the Cabinet’s Covid sub-committee on Monday a range of options on tighter quarantine restrictions, including changes to the visa regime, were discussed by senior officials on Friday. But it is clear that a tightening of restrictions is on the way.


While there are continuing misgivings at senior level over the effectiveness and enforceability of a blanket mandatory quarantine, arrivals from South Africa and Brazil, as well as other South American countries, may nonetheless face a period of hotel quarantine if a full ban is not pursued.



Sources said this approach would allow the State to “test out” how such a system would work.


It is also expected that Garda enforcement of the ban on non-essential travel will be stepped up on routes to Dublin Airport.

They're having a "meeting on Monday"

No rush there Mehole. Just a pandemic going on. No panic at all

This does feel like their usual soft drop/leaking to the media though and some real changes are (fcuking finally!) coming

saabsaab

There isn't a certificate that you don't have Covid! You have tested negative - not the same thing.


Do we really want to import new and more deadly strains?

mickdw

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-facing-tough-covid-19-restrictions-for-first-six-months-of-2021-says-taoiseach-1.4466431




They're having a "meeting on Monday"

No rush there Mehole. Just a pandemic going on. No panic at all

This does feel like their usual soft drop/leaking to the media though and some real changes are (fcuking finally!) coming

Gov are having to play nice with uk to get something agreed across uk and ireland all because of the f*ucking north.
Everyone knows it has to be locked down but they know they cannot do it successfully without uk.
The people here arguing that its neither needed or possible are idiots. Senior politicians here also coming out with crap about free movement etc are just stalling for time but treating people like fools at the same time.

ShineOn7

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html

Passengers arriving into Ireland may be held in quarantine hotels for at least five days if they do not arrive witha negative Covid-19 test, Taoiseach Micheál Martin has revealed.


Speaking to the Irish Independent, Mr Martin said he is considering a number of quarantining options for international travellers as part of an attempt to stop the spread of the virus in Ireland.

The Taoiseach said he expected hotels, including the Citywest in Dublin, to be used as quarantine centres for people arriving in Ireland.
“You could be in quarantine until you get a test after five days that proves to be negative,” Mr ­­­­­Martin said.


It comes as UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned there was “some evidence” the UK strain of Covid, which accounts for 60pc of cases here, may also be up to 30pc more deadly.


Although the data is “uncertain”, the UK’s chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance suggested that for a man in his 60s, the risk of death with the new variant is 13 in 1,000 rather than 10 in 1,000.


Mr Martin said new quarantining regulations would “be close to sealing off the country”, a major policy shift but he insisted essential travel would be permitted.

I started this thread on the 18th of June



Finally some changes are coming

ShineOn7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html




I started this thread on the 18th of June



Finally some changes are coming

I travel and will continue to do so and am 100% supportive of this and always have been. Testing should always have been part of the approach, and people who rock up with no test shouldn’t be allowed in. It is a proportionate response that protects the country but does not freeze movement

faceman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html


I started this thread on the 18th of June



Finally some changes are coming

The nation thanks you for your service

ShineOn7

faceman wrote: »

The nation thanks you for your service

** takes a bow **

Still won’t be enough for Ryan and all the other zero covideers though

Rodin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I travel and will continue to do so and am 100% supportive of this and always have been. Testing should always have been part of the approach, and people who rock up with no test shouldn’t be allowed in. It is a proportionate response that protects the country but does not freeze movement

Fxxk proportionate responses.
They don't work and haven't worked.

tom1ie

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html


I started this thread on the 18th of June



Finally some changes are coming

So, if you go into quarantine for 5 days, is the PCR test taken on the 5th day? If negative are you free to go but if positive are you further quarantined?
Can a pcr show negative but you still have covid and only develop symptoms after day 6 etc.
Is that why Australia does 14 days quarantine?

normanoffside

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Indo are reporting it as a fact

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/passengers-without-negative-covid-test-to-be-quarantined-in-hotel-for-five-days-40001264.html


I started this thread on the 18th of June



Finally some changes are coming

But you are already required to have a Negative PCR test to arrive into Ireland. Airlines are enforcing this at checkin.

I saw an article yesterday and literally only a handful of passengers didn’t have a Negative test on arrival.

This is a non story again. Total optics.

tom1ie

normanoffside wrote: »

But you are already required to have a Negative PCR test to arrive into Ireland. Airlines are enforcing this at checkin.

I saw an article yesterday and literally only a handful of passengers didn’t have a Negative test on arrival.

This is a non story again. Total optics.

So the handful of passengers will now have to go into enforced quarantine. Good.
They could have covid.

normanoffside

tom1ie wrote: »

So the handful of passengers will now have to go into enforced quarantine. Good.
They could have covid.

Not disagreeing with that but it’s a very, very small part of the overall problem being completely overblown

Red Silurian

I'd almost go one step further and do it by county and then province, no point opening Kerry and keeping Dublin closed - unpopular I know

fm

normanoffside wrote: »

Not disagreeing with that but it’s a very, very small part of the overall problem being completely overblown

Completely overblown, it's a minor issue atm and will have little or no impact on figures, but the public are out for blood this week and need to be pleased. Pcr or rapid tests at least is more than enough and should have been in place last summer, a big failure by Nphet.

faceman

tom1ie wrote: »

So the handful of passengers will now have to go into enforced quarantine. Good.
They could have covid.

People really have the horn for this topic. We don’t stick close contacts and confirmed cases in quarantine.

I guarantee you in a few days the gardai will call off their checkpoints at the airport and it will emerge they turned away one or two, if any at all.

(Note I do agree with quarantine for passengers with no test though)

fm

So if you live within 5km of an airport you can go on holidays, a pr exercise by the guards today nothing else

ginoginelli

fm wrote: »

Completely overblown, it's a minor issue atm and will have little or no impact on figures, but the public are out for blood this week and need to be pleased. Pcr or rapid tests at least is more than enough and should have been in place last summer, a big failure by Nphet.

Hard to believe some people are so thick. Are you an anti masker too?

The overwhelming majority of all scientific communities are now advocating for it. It's the only way out of this thing.

fm

ginoginelli wrote: »

Hard to believe some people are so thick. Are you an anti masker too?

The overwhelming majority of all scientific communities are now advocating for it. It's the only way out of this thing.

The only way? Yeah right

fm

ginoginelli wrote: »

Hard to believe some people are so thick. Are you an anti masker too?

The overwhelming majority of all scientific communities are now advocating for it. It's the only way out of this thing.

So I believe testing at airports is a good thing and therefore I'm thick and an anti masker?

saabsaab

It's one of those rare times that the vast majority of the populace and the experts in the field are in agreement.

TheCitizen

Amazing that anyone ever voted against this. Quarantine anyone coming in and try to get that buffoon Johnson to do the same so it applies across both islands.

a_squirrelman

TheCitizen wrote: »

Amazing that anyone ever voted against this. Quarantine anyone coming in and try to get that buffoon Johnson to do the same so it applies across both islands.

Why quarantine anyone coming in? If they have their PCR test why quarantine them?
There are Irish people spreading it day in and day out. A result of your "meaningful" Christmas.

I'm away from Ireland 16 months. Being one of the responsible ones while idiots back home make me delay seeing my family once again.

If you're going to quarantine then quarantine every covid positive person, not just incoming traffic.