Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

liamog · 23-02-2021 4:15pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'm just popping this here because its the closest relevant thread.

Fingal CoCo have closed St Catherine's Park in Lucan/Leixlip to all cars until further notice, at the request of Gardaí apparently. Pedestrian and cycle access only for the time being.

I think its a bit OTT myself, I was there on Sunday myself for an hour and it was getting busy as I left, but people were being patient and considerate.

There's a bit of an issue with access due to the works going on along the entrance lane, but parking has been fine each lunchtime when I take the dog out. Did they give a reason why, because it certainly doesn't feel like a move warranted by the levels of cars travelling there.

Larbre34 · 23-02-2021 4:47pm

liamog wrote: »

There's a bit of an issue with access due to the works going on along the entrance lane, but parking has been fine each lunchtime when I take the dog out. Did they give a reason why, because it certainly doesn't feel like a move warranted by the levels of cars travelling there.

The weather was very nice on Sunday and certainly by the time I was leaving there were queues from the Laraghcon side waiting to access. There was still space in the western car park at the time. I assume that only got worse later on and so AGS have limited it to walking access only now.

liamog · 23-02-2021 4:53pm

Cars were ok yesterday, so maybe it was jump a temp ban

Larbre34 · 23-02-2021 5:23pm

liamog wrote: »

Cars were ok yesterday, so maybe it was jump a temp ban

Ah ok, maybe just for the day, I could have read the tweet wrong. Good so.

Seth Brundle · 24-02-2021 10:03am

I haven't seen anything saying that this is no longer the case...

https://twitter.com/Fingalcoco/status/1363475088071393283?s=19

Larbre34 · 24-02-2021 8:58pm

Went for a run in SCP about 4.30 this afternoon, cars were being admitted as normal.

Must just have been when it got a busy on Sunday.

liamog · 24-02-2021 9:11pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I haven't seen anything saying that this is no longer the case...

The tweet was Sunday, there have been no restrictions since Monday. They must of just forgot to issue the further notice

Phil.x · 24-02-2021 9:26pm

I'd say it was due to the installation of the footpath entering the park, was there monday and the temporary traffic lights were out of sync causing a bit of a tailback.

raheny red · 24-02-2021 9:53pm

The Garda issued the same request for Newbridge House at the weekend.

KGLady · 26-02-2021 7:48pm

https://twitter.com/phoenixparkopw/status/1365240246594662400

OPW asking for people not to drive to the park this weekend. I'd like to see some mention of what measures are under consideration to assist traffic flow. It's frustrating that we are limited to 5km but the two largest outdoor recreational spaces within that range of D15 are becoming gridlocked at the weekends, and as a result inaccessible to users beyond a certain cohort.

raheny red · 26-02-2021 9:16pm

https://twitter.com/Fingalcoco/status/1365258719207059460?s=19

Larbre34 · 27-02-2021 1:49am

KGLady wrote: »

https://twitter.com/phoenixparkopw/status/1365240246594662400

OPW asking for people not to drive to the park this weekend. I'd like to see some mention of what measures are under consideration to assist traffic flow.

They aren't going to assist traffic in a situation that they are keen to deter in the first place. They'd rather you get stuck and don't come back the next day. And as Fingal said, if its full, you're not getting in.

beauf · 27-02-2021 2:49am

What they usually do is let traffic chaos build up, a good 2hr queue of a car jam trying to get out of the park. Which then backs up into the surrounding areas, causing gridlock all over.

But you are local you'll know this and avoid it on busy/sunny days.

Maybe they'll have a traffic plan in place for once.

27-02-2021 4:14pm

beauf wrote: »

What they usually do is let traffic chaos build up, a good 2hr queue of a car jam trying to get out of the park. Which then backs up into the surrounding areas, causing gridlock all over.

But you are local you'll know this and avoid it on busy/sunny days.

Maybe they'll have a traffic plan in place for once.

Letting traffic chaos build up is probably the best way of deterring traffic in the future. A streamline and efficient traffic management system would have the unintended consequences of encouraging people to drive

beauf · 27-02-2021 4:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Letting traffic chaos build up is probably the best way of deterring traffic in the future. A streamline and efficient traffic management system would have the unintended consequences of encouraging people to drive

Well you could just just close the gates or have counter like they have in car parks to limit the numbers.

Causing chaos that backups outside the park is a sloppy and least efficient of doing it.

Larbre34 · 27-02-2021 6:48pm

It's just gonna be this way until more leisure options reopen as lockdown lifts.

Worse things happen at sea.

beauf · 27-02-2021 7:11pm

True..

As it happened I ended up in the park and there were no issues at all.

Larbre34 · 27-02-2021 8:02pm

beauf wrote: »

True..

As it happened I ended up in the park and there were no issues at all.

Went early this morning myself, it was beautiful there. Very lucky to have that within 5k

raheny red · 28-02-2021 3:43pm

raheny red wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Fingalcoco/status/1365258719207059460?s=19

Catherine's Park car park closed.

beauf · 28-02-2021 3:49pm

Is that not from a few days ago

Dr_Colossus · 28-02-2021 4:51pm

Drove by today and traffic not too bad except through Castleknock village on the way back which is down to the Lidl junction rather than Phoenix Park.
Cars parked in the cycle lane all the way up to traffic lights on White's Road so no enforcement of anything there. Blackhorse Avenue looked bad with cars parked all along the road there also but at least there was Garda presence inside the Castleknock Gates of the Phoenix Park but not sure if it was a checkpoint and they were fining and returning people to home.

liamog · 28-02-2021 7:17pm

St Catherine's was restricting car park access again today, we cycled down.

I told ya · 09-03-2021 1:45pm

Got a flyer in the door from a local politican.

Apparently, the Knockmaroon gate is to be effectively closed. Access to the car park only via the gate and no exit from the park for other traffic.

Also, Upper Glen Road to be closed to through traffic. So through traffic entering the Chapleizod Gate can only go to Chesterfield Ave.

Ashtown Gate, entry only.

Cabra Gate, buses only.

North Road to be closed at The Hole in the Wall.

So only one vehicle exit (Castleknock) between Islandbridge Gate right around to NCR Gate.

Will really compound the traffic problems in Chapleizod village, Castleknock and Blackhorse Ave.

beauf · 09-03-2021 2:47pm

Like I said ages ago.

They don't learn from past experiences. So they have to keep repeating the same thing over. Best leave them to it.

BlazingSaddler · 09-03-2021 3:27pm

Closing the Knockmaroon gate would be a disaster for Mount Sackville. The school car park is tiny and many people use the side gate in the Park, collection and drop off times would be carnage

Weepsie · 09-03-2021 3:30pm

If you choose to pay 4.5 k to send your kid to school you don't get to use the park as a collection and drop off point.

Should be looking to the school to provide transport solutions and opportunities.

Stark · 09-03-2021 3:46pm

Knockmaroon gate isn't being fully closed anyway, there's still access to Knockmaroon car park. You just don't get to enter at Knockmaroon and go for a drive round the Park.

09-03-2021 4:00pm

Stark wrote: »

Knockmaroon gate isn't being fully closed anyway, there's still access to Knockmaroon car park. You just don't get to enter at Knockmaroon and go for a drive round the Park.

How it should be with all the gates IMO. And leave the Av as the man thoroughfare.

The military road, with its bollards stopping through traffic, is a pleasure - full of walkers and cyclists. In contrast, upper Glen road is just a sh1tshow on a sunny weekend with people firing through that route to avoid the avenue

liamog · 09-03-2021 4:04pm

I'd be happy enough if they closed off Ordnance Survey Road between the OS entrance and the 4 way junction with Knockmaroon Rd, Furze Rd and Upper Glen

09-03-2021 4:55pm

liamog wrote: »

I'd be happy enough if they closed off Ordnance Survey Road between the OS entrance and the 4 way junction with Knockmaroon Rd, Furze Rd and Upper Glen

agreed. all you need is a couple of bollards to completely stop the through traffic, like was done years ago on military road. Access for park users is unaffected, but the rat run is closed off

Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

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