The trashing of our parks and beaches

Quandary

downtheroad wrote: »

Posted last week about challenging a young adult who did this outside a shop standing within 5 metres of a bin. Him and his mates thought I was the bad guy. All you get is grief. These people don't care. As much as it pains me to ignore it I don't think I'll bother in future because I'll be unlucky to call out somebody who will physically retaliate.

I witnessed this happen to a lad on O'Connell St a few years ago. He saw some young scrote throw his rubbish on the ground beside one of the bus stops and said "would ya not throw it in the bin ?" Scumbag and his mates verbally abused him, and kicked him as he was climbing up onto the bus.

These degenerates (and thats what people who behave like this are) only understand the stick. The carrot is being firmly fcuked back at us.

PhilOssophy

Had a thought this morning out in my (freshly thrashed) park.
Why don't we have bottle banks at several park entrances. Yes they are bulky and clunky but surely with a bit of will and effort, we can add many more of these. If we have to add 15c to every glass bottle to fund their collection, what about it.
The saddest part of all was the mess around the skateboard park - these kids have surely been educated not to litter, or so you'd think.
Oh and the Weetabix box and many others floating in the lake, perfect for all the pretty new ducklings to be introduced to living in a lake in Ireland.

Mimon

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I would object strongly to having to pay to use a toilet. We're not that badly off as a country that we cannot provide the most basic of services.

Agree generally but if it payed for keeping them manned 24/7 to keep them clean and keep drug addicts out it would be worth it.

Paul Griffen

Jizique wrote: »

Just proves we are a dirty, filthy race - if you bring it with you, take it away.
Sickening aspect of our society.

This is true.
But why aren't there bins in place or bottle banks at the entrance as mentioned earlier. Bins that are there fill up and aren't emptied
I couldn't get a bin for dog waste near a walking path because the council said it cant service it. So why shouldn't this be a local government issue?

This is why we have councils and pay tax, considering the tax we pay in this country it seems we should not expect any services outside health and transport which are also half arsed.

I'll walk as far as needed to put my rubbish in a bin but if its full I'm leaving it beside it, why blame me for not bringing it home and not the slacking bin collectors.

Mimon

Quandary wrote: »

I witnessed this happen to a lad on O'Connell St a few years ago. He saw some young scrote throw his rubbish on the ground beside one of the bus stops and said "would ya not throw it in the bin ?" Scumbag and his mates verbally abused him, and kicked him as he was climbing up onto the bus.

These degenerates (and thats what people who behave like this are) only understand the stick. The carrot is being firmly fcuked back at us.

I've been aggressively called a scumbag for challenging in similar circumstances in Dublin. Would still do it. Need to make the social pressure so strong that some of them at least will cop on.

Also had a rough character on a bike circling me because I challenged him for throwing a wrapper on the ground as he cycled past me. He must have thought I could do him some damage when he sized me up as he circled three times and went off without saying anything.

Fires in the dunes on Dollymount.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNzc-YInXhW/?hl=en

Ger Roe

Paul Griffen wrote: »

This is true.
But why aren't there bins in place or bottle banks at the entrance as mentioned earlier. Bins that are there fill up and aren't emptied
I couldn't get a bin for dog waste near a walking path because the council said it cant service it. So why shouldn't this be a local government issue?

This is why we have councils and pay tax, considering the tax we pay in this country it seems we should not expect any services outside health and transport which are also half arsed.

I'll walk as far as needed to put my rubbish in a bin but if its full I'm leaving it beside it, why blame me for not bringing it home and not the slacking bin collectors.

Because it's your rubbish. There will always be circumstances where even if bins are provided everywhere they might be full. That does not give anyone a valid reason to transfer the responsibility of managing their own rubbish, to someone else.

Personally, I wouldn't make a bad situation worse by placing additional rubbish beside, or near a full bin. But that's because of the way I was brought up, to have some personal responsibility and respect for our environment. The crusade for additional bins to be provided and emptied by text alert on a 24hr basis when max capacity is reached, can wait until I bring my own rubbish home first.

Paul Griffen

Ger Roe wrote: »

Because it's your rubbish. There will always be circumstances where even if bins are provided everywhere they might be full. That does not give anyone a valid reason to transfer the responsibility of managing their own rubbish, to someone else.

Personally, I wouldn't make a bad situation worse by placing additional rubbish beside, or near a full bin. But that's because of the way I was brought up, to have some personal responsibility and respect for our environment. The crusade for additional bins to be provided and emptied by text alert on a 24hr basis when max capacity is reached, can wait until I bring my own rubbish home first.

What about the responsibility of bin management, have we so many hot days without warning this cant be managed. Do-gooders like you will have us paying for services then doing it ourselves. No thanks.

I was brought up to call out issues and not be afraid to point out wrong doing, ill keep putting local bin collectors under pressure to do the job they are paid for why you carry other peoples sh!t to the bin for them.

Fair play to you though, its just not my way of working.

Ger Roe

Ger Roe wrote: »

Because it's your rubbish. There will always be circumstances where even if bins are provided everywhere they might be full. That does not give anyone a valid reason to transfer the responsibility of managing their own rubbish, to someone else.

Personally, I wouldn't make a bad situation worse by placing additional rubbish beside, or near a full bin. But that's because of the way I was brought up, to have some personal responsibility and respect for our environment. The crusade for additional bins to be provided and emptied by text alert on a 24hr basis when max capacity is reached, can wait until I bring my own rubbish home first.

Bins are good for accommodating people who when they see one they use it, and when they don’t see one they simply throw it on the ground or a bush or wherever. The problem with bins is it encourages dumping of household rubbish. It’s therefore up to the council to enforce laws and investigate when that’s occurring. We can try remove bins in Ireland when we learn to leave no trace. At the moment we are a few generations off that.

Ger Roe

Paul Griffen wrote: »

What about the responsibility of bin management, have we so many hot days without warning this cant be managed. Do-gooders like you will have us paying for services then doing it ourselves. No thanks.

I was brought up to call out issues and not be afraid to point out wrong doing, ill keep putting local bin collectors under pressure to do the job they are paid for why you carry other peoples sh!t to the bin for them.

Fair play to you though, its just not my way of working.

You have made some personal assumptions about my character and behaviour there that are not correct.

I'm not so much of 'do gooder' more of a 'do the right thinger'.' You would have no idea about the amount of campaigning I do and have done on various issues that I have interests in, but whatever my arguments, I stand by the principle of not making things worse in the meantime.

By the way, I have never carried other peoples sh!t to the bin for them. Only my own, and only if the bin can take it.

malinheader

Paul Griffen wrote: »

What about the responsibility of bin management, have we so many hot days without warning this cant be managed. Do-gooders like you will have us paying for services then doing it ourselves. No thanks.

I was brought up to call out issues and not be afraid to point out wrong doing, ill keep putting local bin collectors under pressure to do the job they are paid for why you carry other peoples sh!t to the bin for them.

Fair play to you though, its just not my way of working.

Nice to hear from someone who we have been calling out in this thread.
I pay my taxes too but certainly wouldn't leave my siht behind me even if the bins were full.
I'm no do gooder as mentioned but do have pride in where I live and visit and I do partake in clean ups in my area. Something I feel would be beneath you.

Paul Griffen

Ger Roe wrote: »

You have made some personal assumptions about my character and behaviour

I'm not so much of 'do gooder' more of a 'do the right thinger'.' You would have no idea about the amount of campaigning I do and have done on various issues that I have interests in, .

By the way, I have never carried other peoples sh!t to the bin for them. Only my own, and only if the bin can take it.

Yes I have, that's right.

Campaigning for your own insert's is a vanity project, id much rather solve an issue like this where local councils expect us to do its role so kids and family's can enjoy the area.

Also, please don't put your sh!t in the bin, try use your home bathroom before leaving or a public toilet.
- and I thought having to tell people to use a bin was a shame on our society.

Paul Griffen

malinheader wrote: »

Nice to hear from someone who we have been calling out in this thread.
I pay my taxes too but certainly wouldn't leave my siht behind me even if the bins were full.
I'm no do gooder as mentioned but do have pride in where I live and visit and I do partake in clean ups in my area. Something I feel would be beneath you.

It was my constant arranging of groups for years with no improvement that finally made we think 'hang on, if we do this constantly then it will become expected"

So took it further and saw how the budgets are 'managed'. Lets just say it has improved dramatically since I asked the right people, I never got one answer but there was a big improvement implemented.

Rubbish picking is beneath me yes, but only when others are paid to do it and choosing not to.
I've sorted loads of fly tipping problems (on public grounds) if that counts - probably doesn't to you because I didn't physically carry it myself. Instead of that I financed its removal and made sure the guilty party knew better than to do it again ANYWHERE.

malinheader

Paul Griffen wrote: »

It was my constant arranging of groups for years with no improvement that finally made we think 'hang on, if we do this constantly then it will become expected"

So took it further and saw how the budgets are 'managed'. Lets just say it has improved dramatically since I asked the right people, I never got one answer but there was a big improvement implemented.

Rubbish picking is beneath me yes, but only when others are paid to do it and choosing not to.
I've sorted loads of fly tipping problems (on public grounds) if that counts - probably doesn't to you because I didn't physically carry it myself. Instead of that I financed its removal and made sure the guilty party knew better than to do it again ANYWHERE.

After all you say you have done and highlighting the massive problem of fly tipping, do you not think that your admission to dumping rubbish beside a full bin contradicts all of this.

Strumms

If I bring drinks say a sandwich/snacks/ drinks to the park....my rubbish, my responsibility.

I think, “ok I’m going to need to dispose of the rubbish, so I will take a small plastic bag...

Therefore whatever rubbish I accumulate is not being, as it is now almost daily in our park, left on benches that people want / need to sit on, left thrown on the pitch which people want to utilize for sport..

Paul Griffen

malinheader wrote: »

After all you say you have done and highlighting the massive problem of fly tipping, do you not think that your admission to dumping rubbish beside a full bin contradicts all of this.

Nope, with this, you're making the problem mine and not those responsible for emptying or upgrading the bins as required.
The more we step in the more councils will take the same attitude as the fly tippers, 'somebody else will deal with it'

I prefer to eliminate the issue at source for a fast resolution. In this case its not the people on the beach's fault the bins are overflowing or few and far between.

Let it get bad and let it make the media then see how quickly we get large mobile bins with plenty of room that can be tip emptied.
What is it with Irish people accepting such poor service.

eleventh

It should have been predicted with lockdowns that this would happen; people buying takeouts from cafes, off-licences etc doubling the amount of rubbish, bins need to be emptied twice as often and new bins installed.
It's not just parks, bins on the street overflow, beer cans left beside them. Masks walked into the ground. Disgusting. Broken glass around the place as well.
You'd think there was no government.

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eleventh wrote: »

It should have been predicted with lockdowns that this would happen; people buying takeouts from cafes, off-licences etc doubling the amount of rubbish, bins need to be emptied twice as often and new bins installed.
It's not just parks, bins on the street overflow, beer cans left beside them. Masks walked into the ground. Disgusting. Broken glass around the place as well.
You'd think there was no government.

Some logic to blame the government for people throwing their masks, glass and beer cans on the ground.

Antares35

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I would object strongly to having to pay to use a toilet. We're not that badly off as a country that we cannot provide the most basic of services.

I think the payment is more a deterrent factor for people who would otherwise leave it in an unusable state for everyone else, and I would support it for that reason.

Antares35

Ger Roe wrote: »

Because it's your rubbish. There will always be circumstances where even if bins are provided everywhere they might be full. That does not give anyone a valid reason to transfer the responsibility of managing their own rubbish, to someone else.

Personally, I wouldn't make a bad situation worse by placing additional rubbish beside, or near a full bin. But that's because of the way I was brought up, to have some personal responsibility and respect for our environment. The crusade for additional bins to be provided and emptied by text alert on a 24hr basis when max capacity is reached, can wait until I bring my own rubbish home first.

I made this point before but I think it's worth raising again. Do the people who argue that it's ok to leave their rubbish on the ground when the bin is full, go home and scrape their dinner and leave their kids sh*tty nappy on the kitchen floor because someone forgot to change the bin? It's the same logic, the only difference being that they will happily litter in a public place but won't do it in their own home.

eleventh

Bradley Rough Shepherd wrote: »

Some logic to blame the government for people throwing their masks, glass and beer cans on the ground.

Who is responsible for bins overflowing? If there are cans beside a bin, someone wanted to use the bin.

Masks are another story. They could be thrown there or dropped by accident. When a government is promoting masks they should include in that the litter side of it. That's the society we live in. I don't agree with it, but when they have that policy, part of which is instilling fear in people around not wearing a mask, it's short-sighted not to consider that they will be dropped or discarded around the place.
I'd say most of the time they are dropped accidentally when someone goes to change it, or to talk on the phone or something.

Thelonious Monk

This thread is proof that the place will always be a littered kip. Do you people think if you're hiking around Glendalough or somewhere you can just throw your rubbish on the ground because you can't see a bin? Bizarre attitudes on display.

Strumms

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

This thread is proof that the place will always be a littered kip. Do you people think if you're hiking around Glendalough or somewhere you can just throw your rubbish on the ground because you can't see a bin? Bizarre attitudes on display.

Totally...

Imagine on the roads “ I didn’t see a speed limit sign so I should be therefore allowed to go whatever speed I wish “

“ I didn’t see a sign to tell me to give way to traffic from the right so I’m taking right of way at every junction “

2021, where personal responsibility is almost frowned upon.

Pawwed Rig

I think that there is a genuinely a portion of the population that believes the government should clean up after them

malinheader

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

This thread is proof that the place will always be a littered kip. Do you people think if you're hiking around Glendalough or somewhere you can just throw your rubbish on the ground because you can't see a bin? Bizarre attitudes on display.

Bizarre is right, But more sadly an attitude of a large portion of our visitors to parks, beaches and scenic spots.

Mimon

Due to a decent proportion of people living being messy fks we also lose out on things. In San Francisco would have barbeque areas in parks with barbeques, benches etc. You just had to book a spot. Never seen one piece of rubbish left behind

Can you imagine it here? Parks would be knee deep in barbeque rubbish after one week and the council would have to stop it.

costacorta

Think we need a tax on plastic bottles , takeaway coffee cups and all wrappers for takeaway food and put it in to a find that is used only for clean ups etc.

Strumms

Mimon wrote: »

Due to a decent proportion of people living being messy fks we also lose out on things. In San Francisco would have barbeque areas in parks with barbeques, benches etc. You just had to book a spot. Never seen one piece of rubbish left behind

Can you imagine it here? Parks would be knee deep in barbeque rubbish after one week and the council would have to stop it.

When we as kids were brought up the mountains by our parents for picnics, nobody was allowed to get back into the car until every piece of leftover food, every wrapper, every bottle, every napkin was accounted for.

Why ? Because of the environmental issues but because when we arrived at the picnic area, it was clean and we could enjoy it from the get go, without having to tidy up other people’s shït, look at other peoples shît so we extend that same courtesy to other people and our environment....

Now that’s seemingly a foreign concept... instead... “ well there is no bin so that cancels my responsibility to the environment and fellow citizens “

It’s against the law to litter or leave rubbish in a public place. Bin or not it’s your rubbish. Be responsible.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/environmental_protection/litter_law.html

eleventh

costacorta wrote: »

Think we need a tax on plastic bottles , takeaway coffee cups and all wrappers for takeaway food and put it in to a find that is used only for clean ups etc.

Incentivize businesses to use paper or refills might make more sense.

As lockdowns/restrictions continue, people who don't already will have to make it their business to take a bag with them to dispose of rubbish from food, drinks they buy when they socialize outside.
A lot of people probably expecting bins to be available in a place they've been before. They go to the bin, it's full, realise they've no bag with them to put the stuff.

Then there are those who are complete litter louts who don't care at all. Those should be fined immediately and dealt with by the law. Again, this is something the government has always ignored and continues to do so even now when it's more obvious than ever it's an issue.

They're quick enough to bring in fines for something like breaking the 5km, while people who are a real threat and damaging to the environment get away with no policing at all.

No matter how many people are responsible and careful about rubbish, there will always be a minority who will be litter louts. It is the government's responsibility to police that.

PhilOssophy

Mimon wrote: »

Due to a decent proportion of people living being messy fks we also lose out on things. In San Francisco would have barbeque areas in parks with barbeques, benches etc. You just had to book a spot. Never seen one piece of rubbish left behind

Can you imagine it here? Parks would be knee deep in barbeque rubbish after one week and the council would have to stop it.

Or in Australia, those coin operated ones in the parks. They are always left ABSOLUTELY SPOTLESS.

Here, I bet you'd have to clean it before you use it, and some people would clean it afterwards, but as usual there would be a cohort who would think "the council should provide somebody to clean it for me after I use it".

I guess these countries just have a "this is everybody's park, I will leave it as I would like to get it" attitude. Not playing the victim of some awful problem such as bringing what you bring into the park, home with you.

The other funny one I've noticed of late is the amount of "Bags for life" which are left beside the bin. So you've paid a euro for this re-usable bag and left it beside the bin - getting that much lifted in your green bin would probably cost 20c.