Is it just me or have SF vanished?

blanch152

Runaways wrote: »

You’re laughable.

Page one of google search has multiple stories of them rejecting the pay increase
Horses mouth
https://twitter.com/eobroin/status/1207652751842381824?s=21

Except you haven’t produced any independent evidence that there was a 7k increase twice a year.

In fact, you just showed that you were a sucker for SF publicity without question. No more, no less.

Runaways

blanch152 wrote: »

Well if you want to judge FG on what happened in the past, I am happy to judge SF on what Gerry Adams, Martin Ferris and Dessie Ellis did in the past.

By any measure of a reasonable person, SF come off worse in that comparison.

So the logical conclusion from the tweet you posted is that you will be voting FG next time out, since you are quoting someone who says Simon Harris is currently doing a good job.

As a Green voter I am disappointed that the logic of your posts points to you voting FG, but maybe you will consider giving the Greens a decent preference.

Yeah because salad and south facing windows and taxing the balls off everything that moves will get us get us outta this jam.
The greens are in cuckoo land as is anyone voting for them. Elements of The delusional d4 set no doubt

Stop using the world logical blanch. Fairly clear you don’t actually know what it means.

Blaze420

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It has woken up the management of the HSE...of that we can be sure.
Can FG keep them 'woke' is the question. Not on their past record they can't...but who knows.

No it’s a wake up to call to everyone else that maybe, just maybe, the HSE aren’t really the boogeyman here- maybe we really do have section of society who couldn’t give a **** what service bandwidth they use because they get it for free? I mean we’ve seen them out and about the last 2 weeks doing what they want, when they want, coughing on people etc etc. Not hard to add 2&2 here and see a bigger picture.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It has woken up the management of the HSE...of that we can be sure.
Can FG keep them 'woke' is the question. Not on their past record they can't...but who knows.

The senior management of the HSE knew the problem, the issue always lay with the lower levels of management, those which neither the politicians nor the likes of Tony Holohan could micromanage.

I have been saying that for quite some time.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It has woken up the management of the HSE...of that we can be sure.
Can FG keep them 'woke' is the question. Not on their past record they can't...but who knows.

Isn't it great they won't be in government next so.

FrancieBrady

Blaze420 wrote: »

No it’s a wake up to call to everyone else that maybe, just maybe, the HSE aren’t really the boogeyman here- maybe we really do have section of society who couldn’t give a **** what service bandwidth they use because they get it for free? I mean we’ve seen them out and about the last 2 weeks doing what they want, when they want, coughing on people etc etc. Not hard to add 2&2 here and see a bigger picture.

Ah right...the old 'it isn't the fault of the people responsible, it's somebody else's.'

Excellent, I'm sure there will be a few green party supporters and those who support nobody, bailing in behind you with the same excusing.

Sultan_of_Ping

Runaways wrote: »

You’re laughable.

Page one of google search has multiple stories of them rejecting the pay increase
Horses mouth
https://twitter.com/eobroin/status/1207652751842381824?s=21

Sorry, what?

Don't SF MPs take the full measure of the queen's shilling without sitting and representing their constituents in Westminster?

Also, it's questionable whether SF TDs earn their money - they are hardly meeting the requirements of Art 16.2 of the Constitution, if, as Des Mackin says....

“We don’t want a parliamentary party running the organisation,” the senior party officer said. “We want to stay a party of activists. It’s a totally different model. There’s nothing mysterious about it.”

Plus there's that whole statement pledging fealty to the SF ard comhairle their TDs had to sign - their TDs sound like they are more like party apparatchiks than people's deputies!

Runaways

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Sorry, what?

Don't SF MPs take the full measure of the queen's shilling without sitting and representing their constituents in Westminster?

Also, it's questionable whether SF TDs earn their money - they are hardly meeting the requirements of Art 16.2 of the Constitution, if, as Des Mackin says....

“We don’t want a parliamentary party running the organisation,” the senior party officer said. “We want to stay a party of activists. It’s a totally different model. There’s nothing mysterious about it.”

Plus there's that whole statement pledging fealty to the SF ard comhairle their TDs had to sign - their TDs sound like they are more like party apparatchiks than people's deputies!

SF do not take MP wages in Westminster no. And in my experience they do earn their money within their constituencies. Where they work. For their constituents.

all about the mane

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ah right...the old 'it isn't the fault of the people responsible, it's somebody else's.'

Sure haven't SF been hiding behind that MO for years up north

Bobeagleburger

Latest Red C poll. FG way up in the polls. SF up slightly. FF down slightly.

Independents down a lot. Not surprising. What do they bring at a time like this. Little or nothing.


Link

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/red-c-poll-response-to-emergency-boosts-support-for-fine-gael-c2f5be7e

Leroy42

This emergency, depending on how it results but on the current view, certainly changes the dynamic of any negotiations.

Straight after the election it was the general view that SF had left plenty of seats behind given the bite surge and thus SF would not be against another GE and by extension FG particularly but FF as well, would need to get an agreement in order to stave off even greater SF seats.

SF have gone very quiet. I take that in two ways. 1) they have nothing material to add. Overall FG are following the recommendations per the medical experts and whilst exact details (timing of press release, exact details of essential jobs etc) can be argued its largely irrelevant to the overall.

And 2) there is nothing to be gained from appearing to be political on such an issue.

So not really surprising that SF have gone quiet, unless they have something massive to add that would change things dramatically, there is little point.

J_1980

6 wrote: »

Latest Red C poll. FG way up in the polls. SF up slightly. FF down slightly.

Independents down a lot. Not surprising. What do they bring at a time like this. Little or nothing.


Link

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/red-c-poll-response-to-emergency-boosts-support-for-fine-gael-c2f5be7e

Doesn’t really change anything. 35% in Ireland are still hard left (SF, PBP, some independents). It’s just moving between parties of the same sort. FG was the biggest migration towards the Greens, that is now coming back.
It’s still the usual 65/35 split centre/centre right and hard left that you see all acriss northern europe. Only Southern Europe has a 50/50 split, and they’re paying a terrible price for their left wing follies right now


This little virus is doing more in exposing left wing failure than Maggie and Ronnie could ever do

Bobeagleburger

The election issues for people aren't top of the list anymore.

Housing crisis was number 1. There may not be a huge housing crisis after this. Rental properties popping up everywhere as air bnbs business has crashed.

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

SF do not take MP wages in Westminster no. And in my experience they do earn their money within their constituencies. Where they work. For their constituents.

How? Looking after someone who can’t talk to a tv license inspector?

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

You’re laughable.

Page one of google search has multiple stories of them rejecting the pay increase
Horses mouth
https://twitter.com/eobroin/status/1207652751842381824?s=21

A twitter account? That’s he best you could come up with?

The official SF announcement was my reference. Twitter is good for, well looking at a shower of idiots if so inclined

J_1980

6 wrote: »

The election issues for people aren't top of the list anymore.

Housing crisis was number 1. There may not be a huge housing crisis after this. Rental properties popping up everywhere as air bnbs business has crashed.

The popping up of properties is a bit exaggerated. Most AirBnb are city centre, high priced, high spec units. They’re likely getting snapped up by MNC staff (who are all still in jobs and likely to grow in numbers) at the lower prices. That will have some effect, but not much on 3bed semis in the fringes.

ThunbergsAreGo

J_1980 wrote: »

Doesn’t really change anything. 35% in Ireland are still hard left (SF, PBP, some independents). It’s just moving between parties of the same sort. FG was the biggest migration towards the Greens, that is now coming back.
It’s still the usual 65/35 split centre/centre right and hard left that you see all acriss northern europe. Only Southern Europe has a 50/50 split, and they’re paying a terrible price for their left wing follies right now


This little virus is doing more in exposing left wing failure than Maggie and Ronnie could ever do

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

Also all non government parties are pretty quiet these days. It's just more noticeable given how active/noisy SF were before.

J_1980

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

Everyone who wants to raise the dole by 25% in times of full employment and labor shortages is hard left.
Luckily for this virus, the hard left is over. The post-virus economy will be a fierce global competition for brain&talent&resources good for workers, bad for spongers

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

This little virus is doing more in exposing left wing failure than Maggie and Ronnie could ever do

Or is it showing what more conservative policies such as austerity does to global health care systems?

Shefwedfan

6 wrote: »

The election issues for people aren't top of the list anymore.

Housing crisis was number 1. There may not be a huge housing crisis after this. Rental properties popping up everywhere as air bnbs business has crashed.

I doubt it, the mighty SF part of the push for new regulation on the "rent a room" scheme which has f**ked that up, so expect people to get dumped out on the market because of those changes.,



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-rent-a-room-tenants-at-risk-of-eviction-1.4211120


Good tenants are looked after, s**t tenant are the only ones at risk. This is another move by SF to kill the landlord. Really shows they havent a f**king clue and people who voted for them should watch these gobs**ts

Bobeagleburger

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

PBP are Populist, and offer little. Imagine them in government? They'll fade away. That Galway candidate did them no favours either.

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Or is it showing what more conservative policies such as austerity does to global health care systems?

https://mobile.twitter.com/sensanders/status/957316808457015296?lang=en

Bernie Sanders
@SenSanders
Jan 27, 2018
We spend far more on health care than France does, yet somehow their health outcomes are much better and they provide health care to every man, woman, and child in their country.


How is the French healthcare system doing, huh??? They’re not even at boiling point and already rely on German help(private/public mixed system)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-france/german-hospitals-to-treat-some-coronavirus-patients-from-eastern-france-idUSKBN2180US


Left wing exposed as total bullsh*** and abject failure
Bernie, Corbyn and all their ilk exposed as snake oil salesmen hahaha hahhaha

Wanderer78

6 wrote:

PBP are Populist, and offer little. Imagine them in government? They'll fade away. That Galway candidate did them no favours either.

Pbp will probably never be in government, and possibly sf to

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

Left wing exposed as total bullsh*** and abject failure

How's America doing in all this?

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

How's America doing in all this?

A lot better. Has 4 times the ICU beds per capita than Europe. Death rate of below 2% instead of 5-10%
And the amazing capitalist machinery is just oiling up, wait for the 5min test results, giant military temporary hospitals like the Javits centre, the 2m tests per day and eventually the vaccine and cure. All will be brought by free market profit geared America. Don’t expect italy, france and spain to contribute anything.... they only ask for German money. Pablo has nothing left, so let’s pick Peter’s pocket just lol. Total failures of human beings, morally bankrupt.

You can bet every penny that all technological advancement regarding this disease will come out of capitalist countries.

Leroy42

You can't put in both the capitalist machine and giant military hospitals in one argument.

One is capitalism, the other socialism.

So really what you are saying is that capitalism needs to do more to help society whilst society needs to maintain itself large enough to deal with issues such as these.

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

A lot better. Has 4 times the ICU beds per capita than Europe. Death rate of below 2% instead of 5-10% And the amazing capitalist machinery is just oiling up, wait for the 5min test results, giant military temporary hospitals like the Javits centre, the 2m tests per day and eventually the vaccine and cure. All will be brought by free market profit geared America. Don’t expect italy, france and spain to contribute anything....

Ah it seems like you may have some issues with delusional thinking, this can be a serious problem, I would recommend some professional advice, just encase.

Capatalism certainly is an astonishing thing, it has truly transferred the world, for the better, but it has taken a very dark turn over the last few decades, it's lost its way, I suspect we ll be forced to change its course, hopefully it's not too late, hopefully not too many will die for this dark turn, the free market isn't exactly as free as you think, a lot of its activities are parasitic and predatory, living off us and slowly killing us all, including the wealthy. Be careful what you wish for!

Wanderer78

Leroy42 wrote:

One is capitalism, the other socialism.

And the American military machine is one of the largest socialist bodies on the planet, the irony

J_1980

Leroy42 wrote: »

You can't put in both the capitalist machine and giant military hospitals in one argument.

One is capitalism, the other socialism.

So really what you are saying is that capitalism needs to do more to help society whilst society needs to maintain itself large enough to deal with issues such as these.

You need a strong economy to fund a well equipped military (like the US does). France and Spain als have a military, probably horribly underfunded and defunct.

The economy is EVERYTHING. A strong response is only possible if you have genuine believe in the economy of your country (and the there will be a strong recovery).
Sanchez and Iglesias in Spain know they’re only good at stealing money from Peter to give to Paul, hence the total failure in response.

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

The economy is EVERYTHING. A strong response is only possible if you have genuine believe in the economy of your country (and the there will be a strong recovery). Sanchez and Iglesias in Spain know they’re only good at stealing money from Peter to give to Paul, hence the total failure in response.

Where do you think money comes from within the capatalist system?