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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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Leroy42

This emergency, depending on how it results but on the current view, certainly changes the dynamic of any negotiations.

Straight after the election it was the general view that SF had left plenty of seats behind given the bite surge and thus SF would not be against another GE and by extension FG particularly but FF as well, would need to get an agreement in order to stave off even greater SF seats.

SF have gone very quiet. I take that in two ways. 1) they have nothing material to add. Overall FG are following the recommendations per the medical experts and whilst exact details (timing of press release, exact details of essential jobs etc) can be argued its largely irrelevant to the overall.

And 2) there is nothing to be gained from appearing to be political on such an issue.

So not really surprising that SF have gone quiet, unless they have something massive to add that would change things dramatically, there is little point.

J_1980

6 wrote: »

Latest Red C poll. FG way up in the polls. SF up slightly. FF down slightly.

Independents down a lot. Not surprising. What do they bring at a time like this. Little or nothing.

Link

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/red-c-poll-response-to-emergency-boosts-support-for-fine-gael-c2f5be7e

Doesn’t really change anything. 35% in Ireland are still hard left (SF, PBP, some independents). It’s just moving between parties of the same sort. FG was the biggest migration towards the Greens, that is now coming back.
It’s still the usual 65/35 split centre/centre right and hard left that you see all acriss northern europe. Only Southern Europe has a 50/50 split, and they’re paying a terrible price for their left wing follies right now

This little virus is doing more in exposing left wing failure than Maggie and Ronnie could ever do

[Deleted User]

The election issues for people aren't top of the list anymore.

Housing crisis was number 1. There may not be a huge housing crisis after this. Rental properties popping up everywhere as air bnbs business has crashed.

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

SF do not take MP wages in Westminster no. And in my experience they do earn their money within their constituencies. Where they work. For their constituents.

How? Looking after someone who can’t talk to a tv license inspector?

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

You’re laughable.

Page one of google search has multiple stories of them rejecting the pay increase
Horses mouth
https://twitter.com/eobroin/status/1207652751842381824?s=21

A twitter account? That’s he best you could come up with?

The official SF announcement was my reference. Twitter is good for, well looking at a shower of idiots if so inclined

J_1980

6 wrote: »

The election issues for people aren't top of the list anymore.

Housing crisis was number 1. There may not be a huge housing crisis after this. Rental properties popping up everywhere as air bnbs business has crashed.

The popping up of properties is a bit exaggerated. Most AirBnb are city centre, high priced, high spec units. They’re likely getting snapped up by MNC staff (who are all still in jobs and likely to grow in numbers) at the lower prices. That will have some effect, but not much on 3bed semis in the fringes.

ThunbergsAreGo

J_1980 wrote: »

Doesn’t really change anything. 35% in Ireland are still hard left (SF, PBP, some independents). It’s just moving between parties of the same sort. FG was the biggest migration towards the Greens, that is now coming back.
It’s still the usual 65/35 split centre/centre right and hard left that you see all acriss northern europe. Only Southern Europe has a 50/50 split, and they’re paying a terrible price for their left wing follies right now

This little virus is doing more in exposing left wing failure than Maggie and Ronnie could ever do

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

Also all non government parties are pretty quiet these days. It's just more noticeable given how active/noisy SF were before.

J_1980

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

Everyone who wants to raise the dole by 25% in times of full employment and labor shortages is hard left.
Luckily for this virus, the hard left is over. The post-virus economy will be a fierce global competition for brain&talent&resources

good for workers, bad for spongers

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

This little virus is doing more in exposing left wing failure than Maggie and Ronnie could ever do

Or is it showing what more conservative policies such as austerity does to global health care systems?

Shefwedfan

6 wrote: »

The election issues for people aren't top of the list anymore.

Housing crisis was number 1. There may not be a huge housing crisis after this. Rental properties popping up everywhere as air bnbs business has crashed.

I doubt it, the mighty SF part of the push for new regulation on the "rent a room" scheme which has f**ked that up, so expect people to get dumped out on the market because of those changes.,

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-rent-a-room-tenants-at-risk-of-eviction-1.4211120

Good tenants are looked after, s**t tenant are the only ones at risk. This is another move by SF to kill the landlord. Really shows they havent a f**king clue and people who voted for them should watch these gobs**ts

[Deleted User]

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

PBP are Populist, and offer little. Imagine them in government? They'll fade away. That Galway candidate did them no favours either.

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Or is it showing what more conservative policies such as austerity does to global health care systems?

https://mobile.twitter.com/sensanders/status/957316808457015296?lang=en

Bernie Sanders
@SenSanders
Jan 27, 2018
We spend far more on health care than France does, yet somehow their health outcomes are much better and they provide health care to every man, woman, and child in their country.

How is the French healthcare system doing, huh??? They’re not even at boiling point and already rely on German help(private/public mixed system)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-france/german-hospitals-to-treat-some-coronavirus-patients-from-eastern-france-idUSKBN2180US

Left wing exposed as total bullsh*** and abject failure

Bernie, Corbyn and all their ilk exposed as snake oil salesmen hahaha

hahhaha

Wanderer78

6 wrote:

PBP are Populist, and offer little. Imagine them in government? They'll fade away. That Galway candidate did them no favours either.

Pbp will probably never be in government, and possibly sf to

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

Left wing exposed as total bullsh*** and abject failure

How's America doing in all this?

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

How's America doing in all this?

A lot better. Has 4 times the ICU beds per capita than Europe. Death rate of below 2% instead of 5-10%
And the amazing capitalist machinery is just oiling up, wait for the 5min test results, giant military temporary hospitals like the Javits centre, the 2m tests per day and eventually the vaccine and cure. All will be brought by free market profit geared America. Don’t expect italy, france and spain to contribute anything.... they only ask for German money. Pablo has nothing left, so let’s pick Peter’s pocket just lol. Total failures of human beings, morally bankrupt.

You can bet every penny that all technological advancement regarding this disease will come out of capitalist countries.

Leroy42

You can't put in both the capitalist machine and giant military hospitals in one argument.

One is capitalism, the other socialism.

So really what you are saying is that capitalism needs to do more to help society whilst society needs to maintain itself large enough to deal with issues such as these.

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

A lot better. Has 4 times the ICU beds per capita than Europe. Death rate of below 2% instead of 5-10% And the amazing capitalist machinery is just oiling up, wait for the 5min test results, giant military temporary hospitals like the Javits centre, the 2m tests per day and eventually the vaccine and cure. All will be brought by free market profit geared America. Donâ€™t expect italy, france and spain to contribute anything....

Ah it seems like you may have some issues with delusional thinking, this can be a serious problem, I would recommend some professional advice, just encase.

Capatalism certainly is an astonishing thing, it has truly transferred the world, for the better, but it has taken a very dark turn over the last few decades, it's lost its way, I suspect we ll be forced to change its course, hopefully it's not too late, hopefully not too many will die for this dark turn, the free market isn't exactly as free as you think, a lot of its activities are parasitic and predatory, living off us and slowly killing us all, including the wealthy. Be careful what you wish for!

Wanderer78

Leroy42 wrote:

One is capitalism, the other socialism.

And the American military machine is one of the largest socialist bodies on the planet, the irony

J_1980

Leroy42 wrote: »

You can't put in both the capitalist machine and giant military hospitals in one argument.

One is capitalism, the other socialism.

So really what you are saying is that capitalism needs to do more to help society whilst society needs to maintain itself large enough to deal with issues such as these.

You need a strong economy to fund a well equipped military (like the US does). France and Spain als have a military, probably horribly underfunded and defunct.

The economy is EVERYTHING. A strong response is only possible if you have genuine believe in the economy of your country (and the there will be a strong recovery).
Sanchez and Iglesias in Spain know they’re only good at stealing money from Peter to give to Paul, hence the total failure in response.

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

The economy is EVERYTHING. A strong response is only possible if you have genuine believe in the economy of your country (and the there will be a strong recovery). Sanchez and Iglesias in Spain know theyâ€™re only good at stealing money from Peter to give to Paul, hence the total failure in response.

Where do you think money comes from within the capatalist system?

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah it seems like you may have some issues with delusional thinking, this can be a serious problem, I would recommend some professional advice, just encase.

Capatalism certainly is an astonishing thing, it has truly transferred the world, for the better, but it has taken a very dark turn over the last few decades, it's lost its way, I suspect we ll be forced to change its course, hopefully it's not too late, hopefully not too many will die for this dark turn, the free market isn't exactly as free as you think, a lot of its activities are parasitic and predatory, living off us and slowly killing us all, including the wealthy. Be careful what you wish for!

I agree on the last bit. Corporatisms/cronyism is as evil as socialism. And America has it’s fair share of problems with that.
But in Ireland the sponger attitude is the much bigger issue.

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Where do you think money comes from within the capatalist system?

Money creation by banks/loans.
That only works if it is backed by productive assets though. Otherwise you end up like Argentina/Venezuela.

Leroy42

J_1980 wrote: »

You need a strong economy to fund a well equipped military (like the US does). France and Spain als have a military, probably horribly underfunded and defunct.

The economy is EVERYTHING. A strong response is only possible if you have genuine believe in the economy of your country (and the there will be a strong recovery).
Sanchez and Iglesias in Spain know they’re only good at stealing money from Peter to give to Paul, hence the total failure in response.

True, so we both agree that the point of capitalism is to enable the state to function. Unfortunately the last 30+ years has seen a shift to the position that the point of the state is to enable capitalism.

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

Money creation by banks/loans. That only works if it is backed by productive assets though. Otherwise you end up like Argentina/Venezuela.

So continual asset price inflation is good because......

J_1980

Leroy42 wrote: »

True, so we both agree that the point of capitalism is to enable the state to function. Unfortunately the last 30+ years has seen a shift to the position that the point of the state is to enable capitalism.

It should be free markets/capitalism first.
The state should just reign into any cronyism and should provide BASIC services that benefit everyone (basic unemployment insurance, basic healthcare etc). No free gaffs for a few, no xmas bonus and 850 a month for lifetime dolers.

Shefwedfan

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

Also all non government parties are pretty quiet these days. It's just more noticeable given how active/noisy SF were before.

SF have no ideas. All they are good at is standing back, let someone else do the work and then pop up on rte with some bulls**t interview saying that xyz done it wrong and should have done it this way

Thats the SF we know and love, aboslutely f**king useless at everything except throwing s**t after the work is done

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

I agree on the last bit. Corporatisms/cronyism is as evil as socialism. And America has itâ€™s fair share of problems with that. But in Ireland the sponger attitude is the much bigger issue.

Maybe the corporate/financial sectors are the real spongers in this?

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So continual asset price inflation is good because......

Its the only way to fund a welfare state.
No asset price inflation, no money supply increase.
There has never been a welfare state under the gold standard

Yes FDR started it under it, but it didn’t even last 30years (end of Bretton Woods).

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

It should be free markets/capitalism first. The state should just reign into any cronyism and should provide BASIC services that benefit everyone (basic unemployment insurance, basic healthcare etc). No free gaffs for a few, no xmas bonus and 850 a month for lifetime dolers.

Free gaffs? Define basic?

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Free gaffs? Define basic?

50 a week n rent of the dole (that is already free) is FREE. Anything below cost rental model is a joke and should be abolished. Capital costs + genuine maintenance of a property are easily 10k p.a.

Basic: a&e, all basic illness, but expect delays and mediocre service. Plus waiting times for non-urgent things.