General Election 2020 - See MOD note in First Post

Jamie2k9

Damien Tiernan saying a first time GE candidate for Waterford will be announced tomorrow and will throw the consistency wide open.

Reported to be Matt Shanahan.


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kayaksurfbum

Is there a list of confirmed candidates anywhere? If anyone has confirmed!

jimbojazz

I have it on good authority it’s Howdo, being backed by the O’Meara’s

Max Powers

jimbojazz wrote: »

I have it on good authority it’s Howdo, being backed by the O’Meara’s

I'd prefer if it was howdo to the other fella...will Waterford learn lesson from last time that these independents are useless

hardybuck

Saturday Feb 8th. Delighted that they're not closing the schools again.

Dunmoreroader

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Damien Tiernan saying a first time GE candidate for Waterford will be announced tomorrow and will throw the consistency wide open.

Reported to be Matt Shanahan.

The 'consistency' has been mostly sh1te for years. The constituency on the other hand could do with being thrown wide open. :rolleyes:

Captain Red Beard

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

Is there a list of confirmed candidates anywhere? If anyone has confirmed!

I'd like to know this too.

Harry Palmr

I genuinely cannot envisage why I should cast a vote for any of those who are likely to be standing at this point.

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I genuinely cannot envisage why I should cast a vote for any of those who are likely to be standing at this point.

I've gone through this phase myself, voting can be extremely frustrating, but I now accept the importance of it, and why we should continue to vote, throw something on the ballot paper

I suspect we'll see an official confirmed list of candidates in the coming days.

Meanwhile this gives a good indication - https://adriankavanaghelections.org/2017/04/19/candidates-for-the-next-2017-2021-general-election-by-constituency/.

It's updated those that have confirmed but is not a complete, definitive, list.

PTH2009

Can you vote abroad online etc???

I'm away in Germany the day of the election

hardybuck

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

Is there a list of confirmed candidates anywhere? If anyone has confirmed!

Candidates will start announcing their intentions today.

John Halligan hasn't confirmed he's running yet for example.

Wanderer78

hardybuck wrote:

John Halligan hasn't confirmed he's running yet for example.

Rumour has it, hes retiring

Gardner

Heard Matt Shanahan on DT show this morning. car crash stuff. Said it here when Eddie Mulligan ran as an independent that he would join FF within a year and Matt Shanahan confirmed in the interview that he canvassed for Paudie Coffey in the last election and would join FF if the deal was right...... says a lot about the individual himself on those statements alone.

Gael23

I hope Mary Butler gets sent packing

PTH2009

False promises with a high pay packet for all those cronies

hardybuck

Gardner wrote: »

Heard Matt Shanahan on DT show this morning. car crash stuff. Said it here when Eddie Mulligan ran as an independent that he would join FF within a year and Matt Shanahan confirmed in the interview that he canvassed for Paudie Coffey in the last election and would join FF if the deal was right...... says a lot about the individual himself on those statements alone.

Canvassed for FG but would be open to joining FF!?

From what I've listened to and observed from Shanahan I think he'd struggle pretty badly as a TD - however there are plenty like him.

Imagine going from a fine representative like Mary Roche to Matt Shanahan...

Quigs Snr

Gardner wrote: »

Heard Matt Shanahan on DT show this morning. car crash stuff. Said it here when Eddie Mulligan ran as an independent that he would join FF within a year and Matt Shanahan confirmed in the interview that he canvassed for Paudie Coffey in the last election and would join FF if the deal was right...... says a lot about the individual himself on those statements alone.

.. well this i would respect to some degree in that if your goal is to get elected on the basis of a local issue that you would get into bed with anyone who would help you achieve that goal.

Of course its awful.. parish pump and all that, but whatever if thats what the people want... at least they know what they are getting.

.... unlike the peoples champion, Halligan who is likely going to retire now that he has the pension pot he has craved for so long. Too bad. Had high hopes for him for a little while. He wouldnt stand a chance of reelection though.

hardybuck

Quigs Snr wrote: »

.. well this i would respect to some degree in that if your goal is to get elected on the basis of a local issue that you would get into bed with anyone who would help you achieve that goal.

Of course its awful.. parish pump and all that, but whatever if thats what the people want... at least they know what they are getting.

.... unlike the peoples champion, Halligan who is likely going to retire now that he has the pension pot he has craved for so long. Too bad. Had high hopes for him for a little while. He wouldnt stand a chance of reelection though.

It's the same sort of stuff the Healy Rae family do in Kerry. Jackie supported FF administrations for years and got stuff that his area wouldn't and probably shouldn't have got in normal circumstances.

I would prefer a scenario where a skilled public representative advocated for their area and achieved results via appropriate channels, rather than propping up a Government that will throw them a few crumbs to buy their support.

I disagree that Halligan wouldn't stand a chance of re-election - definitely in the mix for a seat.

Dr. Baltar

Not looking like a geat line-up to choose from, is it?

Max Powers

hardybuck wrote: »

It's the same sort of stuff the Healy Rae family do in Kerry. Jackie supported FF administrations for years and got stuff that his area wouldn't and probably shouldn't have got in normal circumstances.

I would prefer a scenario where a skilled public representative advocated for their area and achieved results via appropriate channels, rather than propping up a Government that will throw them a few crumbs to buy their support.

I disagree that Halligan wouldn't stand a chance of re-election - definitely in the mix for a seat.

I'd prefer that scenario of a skilled person too but its not happening is it, youre either in the tent or not, thats Ireland, Irish politics, trading favours, etc. Disagree with halligan, I think the writing about not accomplishing anything is clearly on the wall. Yes, you could say that about all 4 but deasy and culinane werent in the tent, butler unlikely to do anything as her first time and halligan was neither in or out, nowhere.maybe butler could do something second time around if FF are biggest party but I wouldnt have much confidence with what I saw. Cullnane to be fair, provided decent opposition, easy enough job though.

Harry Palmr

I've decided, I'll vote for the <snip>! Seriously though David Cullinane is the only one who seems fairly competent and focused on issues that I'd consider just. Environment, public sector spending, private exploitation of the job seekers programme etc.

Stopitwillya

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I've decided, I'll vote for the <snip>! Seriously though David Cullinane is the only one who seems fairly competent and focused on issues that I'd consider just. Environment, public sector spending, private exploitation of the job seekers programme etc.

Could you list out his achievements.

Harry Palmr

In opposition? Always tricky that. All I can say is that he seems to know his way round the Public Accounts Committ-ee. Doing well on that seems to be a good way into higher things but SF will need to somehow end up being more needed than not post election. I expect FF/FG will stitch things up between themselves again with no room for a genuine coalition with SF, Labour or whoever.

Stopitwillya

Harry Palmr wrote: »

In opposition? Always tricky that. All I can say is that he seems to know his way round the Public Accounts Committ-ee. Doing well on that seems to be a good way into higher things but SF will need to somehow end up being more needed than not post election. I expect FF/FG will stitch things up between themselves again with no room for a genuine coalition with SF, Labour or whoever.

Same. Think he is the best politician we have but also think Sinn Fein will always be just opposition. So unfortunately while being a good talker he will never really achieve any real results for Waterford in the way Martin Cullen (motorway and ring road) and Paudie Coffey (North Quays zoneing and Walsh Park) have achieved.

DLS_75

Harry Palmr wrote: »

In opposition? Always tricky that. All I can say is that he seems to know his way round the Public Accounts Committ-ee. Doing well on that seems to be a good way into higher things but SF will need to somehow end up being more needed than not post election. I expect FF/FG will stitch things up between themselves again with no room for a genuine coalition with SF, Labour or whoever.

We know what we’ll get from him, which is a lot of giving out.

I was a Matt fan but his behaviour this week has put me right off him.

Stopitwillya

DLS_75 wrote: »

We know what we’ll get from him, which is a lot of giving out.

I was a Matt fan but his behaviour this week has put me right off him.

It suits Sinn Fein to give out. Look at what happened when they had to make tough decisions on the budget locally. They just opposed everything but couldn't even suggest a solution.

Matt could be effective if the main parties need numbers to form a government. Having said that halligan was in that position and failed to deliver.

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote:

In opposition? Always tricky that. All I can say is that he seems to know his way round the Public Accounts Committ-ee. Doing well on that seems to be a good way into higher things but SF will need to somehow end up being more needed than not post election. I expect FF/FG will stitch things up between themselves again with no room for a genuine coalition with SF, Labour or whoever.

I suspect you could be right about ff and fg stitching things again, another confidence and supply wouldn't surprise me, these two have effectively locked out any alternatives

JohnC.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Rumour has it, hes retiring

Confirmed Halligan is retiring now.

Max Powers

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Matt could be effective if the main parties need numbers to form a government. Having said that halligan was in that position and failed to deliver.

Not a hope in hell of that happening, there are loads of independents in the ff/fg gene pool already far easier to deal with and history and small parties too which would be much preferable to some unknown loud mouth like shanahan. I find it crazy that this even considered, if you were Martin or leo, likes of him are the last people, that is, nowhere, not on their radar, nobodies, irratic, useless. Added to that as you say yourself, look at what halligan did for us even when he had some iota of responsibility.....sweet F A.

BBM77

JohnC. wrote: »

Confirmed Halligan is retiring now.

Think he feels that there is a high chance that he would lose his seat if he ran. And he is correct.

Wanderer78

BBM77 wrote: »

Think he feels that there is a high chance that he would lose his seat if he ran. And he is correct.

yea id say he wouldnt have a hope of being reelected, probably time for him to go anyway, we really do need new blood in government

Max Powers

Harry Palmr wrote: »

In opposition? Always tricky that. All I can say is that he seems to know his way round the Public Accounts Committ-ee. Doing well on that seems to be a good way into higher things but SF will need to somehow end up being more needed than not post election. I expect FF/FG will stitch things up between themselves again with no room for a genuine coalition with SF, Labour or whoever.

I admire your ethics Harry voting on the likes of the environment, public spending, worker welfare etc, however you are wise enough to know that none of that transfers into jobs and investment in Waterford which is what I vote on: the likelihood of a TD being able to secure jobs and investment near and into the future for Waterford.
I agree those issues you said are important but with only 4 TDs and a local economy crying out for a fair share of the pie I'm supporting the potential delivery for Waterford. You said it yourself, it's more than likely ff/fg or whatever the poles say, Waterford needs a voice in that boat, or both boats to be sure. Sure I'd love to see real change, it is simply not on the cards though, most people vote like I do, delivery for my county is number 1.

BBM77

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yea id say he wouldnt have a hope of being reelected, probably time for him to go anyway, we really do need new blood in government

Yes, he lost a lot of credibility when he stayed in government after 24 hour cardiac care was not being returned.

azimuth17

I listened to Matt Shanahan's interview with Damien Tiernan last night on WLR play back. He came across as articulate and knowledgeable. I think he will have appeal and do well now that John Halligan has retired and created an independent space. Its a very crowded field. I think Eddie Mulligan will outpoll Mary Butler in the city. David Cullinane will do well, but I also expect a strong challenge from the Green Party representative O'Cathasaigh.

Gael23

Is John Cummins in with a shot?

Gardner

DLS_75 wrote: »

We know what we’ll get from him, which is a lot of giving out.

I was a Matt fan but his behaviour this week has put me right off him.

well **** me

Gardner

BBM77 wrote: »

Yes, he lost a lot of credibility when he stayed in government after 24 hour cardiac care was not being returned.

and what if he did pull out at the time? what would have happened? what would have it achieved? sweet **** all because Deasy would have being our sole government representative as the government wouldn't have folded.

Would we have a second cath lab being built (planning approved this week and tenders i believe have already been received from all Contractors with work due to commence within the next 2 to 3 months). As we are all sick and tired of saying you can't have 24/7 without 2 cath labs.

What about the Airport? All CPO's have been completed and planning is to be lodged next week with Construction to commence within months.

There is a lot of short sightedness going about on social media about what he has done and what he hasn't done. id say 99% of what he has done over his 30 years in politics has gone unnoticed. Best of luck to him, he has represented the people of Waterford and the South East and his governmental department with the best of his ability and endeavour. We are losing a politician that put his own personal safety on the line when fighting for human rights in recent referendums. it is stark contrast to Matt Shanahan who likes to call himself a health equality campaigner yet he voted against the health equality of woman.

hardybuck

Gael23 wrote: »

Is John Cummins in with a shot?

Potentially due to geography, but a weaker candidate than Coffey IMO.

hardybuck

BBM77 wrote: »

Yes, he lost a lot of credibility when he stayed in government after 24 hour cardiac care was not being returned.

I think this mindset needs to be challenged. A small fish politician can come up to Dublin and bang tables all he or she likes, but empty vessels make the most noise, and that's the easy stuff. Plenty of them in the Dáil.

A much more difficult job is to remain in Government when you have to win some and lose some.

BBM77

hardybuck wrote: »

I think this mindset needs to be challenged. A small fish politician can come up to Dublin and bang tables all he or she likes, but empty vessels make the most noise, and that's the easy stuff. Plenty of them in the Dáil.

A much more difficult job is to remain in Government when you have to win some and lose some.

John Halligan went into government on the basis of 24 hour cardiac care was to be returned and he could not support a government that did not do that, his words not mine.

Crusty Blaa

Gael23 wrote: »

Is John Cummins in with a shot?

Could be a dark horse although I think the majority of the city votes will go to Cullinane & Mulligan, Depends on how the likes of Tramore, Dunmore etc vote. I think any FG vote from Kilmeaden onwards goes to Geoghegan.

Gael23

Crusty Blaa wrote: »

Could be a dark horse although I think the majority of the city votes will go to Cullinane & Mulligan, Depends on how the likes of Tramore, Dunmore etc vote. I think any FG vote from Kilmeaden onwards goes to Geoghegan.

The real challenge is the Deasy vote, it’s not all a Fine Gael vote so Geoghan can’t count on it. My hope is that Eddie Mulligan will split the FF vote and cost Butler her seat

hardybuck

BBM77 wrote: »

John Halligan went into government on the basis of 24 hour cardiac care was to be returned and he could not support a government that did not do that, his works not mine.

Ok John. Thanks for articulating your 'demands'. However, it won't be possible at this time. The door is over there if you want to take it, hope you enjoy the back benches. However, if you want to stay in the room we might be able to work with you on other projects...

Crusty Blaa

Gael23 wrote: »

The real challenge is the Deasy vote, it’s not all a Fine Gael vote so Geoghan can’t count on it.

True and that's where Pratt could come into the running due to the geography. Apart from the 2016 election (Conway), Labour has always polled well in Waterford especially with transfers.

BBM77

hardybuck wrote: »

Ok John. Thanks for articulating your 'demands'. However, it won't be possible at this time. The door is over there if you want to take it, hope you enjoy the back benches. However, if you want to stay in the room we might be able to work with you on other projects...

I can only judge someone on their statements and actions. John Halligan’s actions did not match his statements. It was the 24 hour cardiac care issue that was the basis of his decision to enter government not other projects. If you say that you cannot support a government that will not return 24 hour cardiac care and it is not returned, that damages your credibility as far as I am concerned.

Gael23

Would have liked to see him run and get crucified

hardybuck

Changing topic slightly, while challenges in Waterford definitely remain, I think the city and county have made huge strides in recent years.

There is definitely a risk of a future recession in the near future, but there are some important projects nearing commencement. Shovels going into the ground in Walsh Park, the airport and North Quays this year alone hopefully.

While people have a right to be angry at what happened, and ambitious about what happens next, but the place is a hell of a lot better than the really grim times experienced over the last 10-12 years.

Dum_Dum

hardybuck wrote: »

Changing topic slightly, while challenges in Waterford definitely remain, I think the city and county have made huge strides in recent years.

There is definitely a risk of a future recession in the near future, but there are some important projects nearing commencement. Shovels going into the ground in Walsh Park, the airport and North Quays this year alone hopefully.

While people have a right to be angry at what happened, and ambitious about what happens next, but the place is a hell of a lot better than the really grim times experienced over the last 10-12 years.

With me: no cranes = no votes - it's a simple as that.