VW ID.4

cannco253 · 12-05-2021 11:40pm

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I think we all got stonewalled or just told to piss off by VW, doesn't look like Irish customers will be getting the same offer

I might give it another go tomorrow, if I can summon the patience to deal with VW customer service

My case is still open with VW. Latest update is that it’s been considered a level 3 case (whatever they means) with VW Germany in contact with VW Ireland asking them why the rates advertised are different. They are waiting for VW Ireland to reply as at Monday.

I’m sure they are fed up of me pushing for a decent answer on this, but I’ll keep going until somebody tells me what has happened.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-05-2021 7:47am

forumdedum wrote: »

In the family version with heat-reflecting and acoustic glass what are the pros and cons of this? Thanks

Basically it's double glazed glass in the front windows, so will reduce road noise and heat losses

There's also a heat reflective layer which should reduce the amount the car heats up in hot weather, so you don't need to use the AC as much

Main disadvantage is the cost

Personally I wish car manufacturers would put some more effort into insulation. With EVs in particular if you reduced the heat losses in winter you wouldn't lose a big chunk of your range

forumdedum · 13-05-2021 9:11am

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Basically it's double glazed glass in the front windows, so will reduce road noise and heat losses

There's also a heat reflective layer which should reduce the amount the car heats up in hot weather, so you don't need to use the AC as much

Main disadvantage is the cost

Personally I wish car manufacturers would put some more effort into insulation. With EVs in particular if you reduced the heat losses in winter you wouldn't lose a big chunk of your range

Thanks for that. I was wondering if it would stop some sunlight heat coming into the car.

eagerv · 13-05-2021 1:00pm

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Funnily enough I tend to see more Burger kings when I'm doing long journeys. I think that might be because Applegreen seem to be along most of the motorways I've used in the past few years and they tend to have burger king

I agree the food isn't great, it's what you'd call functional food. Easy to eat but not going to leave a lasting impression. Okay for the odd time but I think my soul would be crushed if I was eating it regularly

Some of the motorway services have delis that serve carvery style dinner, they're a lot better than fast food IMO

I think if I was regularly doing long journeys I'd get into the habit of bringing a packed lunch. Might even see if I can put an inverter in the car so I can heat something up in a microwave

I told myself the same thing, but hasn't happened yet..:)
Must say though, I enjoyed my Wrap-of-the-day and coffee at Kilcullen yesterday. And only stopped there for a convenient P break..

Chuppa Siopa · 13-05-2021 1:53pm

I'm very close to pulling the trigger on the Id4. Does anybody think that they are going to match the 0% PCP that is now on the Id3 any time soon?

the_amazing_raisin · 13-05-2021 2:08pm

Chuppa Siopa wrote: »

I'm very close to pulling the trigger on the Id4. Does anybody think that they are going to match the 0% PCP that is now on the Id3 any time soon?

I honestly don't think they will, the ID.4 is selling like crazy across all of Europe and production is maxed out by all account

They could offer a reduced rate on the higher spec trims since those have a higher profit margin built in anyway

Having said that, I could be wrong

Are you in a position that you can wait a while or are you under time pressure? If you can wait a few weeks then it might be worthwhile, there could be stock cars going up for sale from people who backed out of their purchase

fits · 13-05-2021 2:19pm

Chuppa Siopa wrote: »

I'm very close to pulling the trigger on the Id4. Does anybody think that they are going to match the 0% PCP that is now on the Id3 any time soon?

If they do between now and car arriving you should be able to avail of it anyway. But I doubt they will as it’s selling very well.

Chuppa Siopa · 13-05-2021 3:07pm

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I honestly don't think they will, the ID.4 is selling like crazy across all of Europe and production is maxed out by all account

They could offer a reduced rate on the higher spec trims since those have a higher profit margin built in anyway

Having said that, I could be wrong

Are you in a position that you can wait a while or are you under time pressure? If you can wait a few weeks then it might be worthwhile, there could be stock cars going up for sale from people who backed out of their purchase

Yeah, that is my thought as well. Was just hoping :rolleyes:

the_amazing_raisin · 13-05-2021 3:19pm

And 1st Max owner got updates on their cars? I'm being told it'll arrive next week now

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in the ocean at this rate

pad199207 · 13-05-2021 3:36pm

Chuppa Siopa wrote: »

I'm very close to pulling the trigger on the Id4. Does anybody think that they are going to match the 0% PCP that is now on the Id3 any time soon?

Same as myself. I think tonight will be when it will decided after picking colour. Its between Blue or the Moonstone Grey.

Friend who works in VW says the Blue is the most popular and looks the best.

Padraig Mor · 13-05-2021 4:15pm

pad199207 wrote: »

Same as myself. I think tonight will be when it will decided after picking colour. Its between Blue or the Moonstone Grey.

Friend who works in VW says the Blue is the most popular and looks the best.

Blue is best of the launch colours I think (and I'm saying that as someone with a Manganese Grey ID4). There's a couple of new colours now with the series models. Moonstone Grey is one - it's flat paint though I think? Other is silver - looks white in brochure but may be nicer in the flesh.

colm_c · 13-05-2021 6:38pm

Anyone know how to change the setting that says winter tyres? I am assuming it should be all season or summer?

Cannot find any option to change it in the menu.

pad199207 · 13-05-2021 6:46pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Blue is best of the launch colours I think (and I'm saying that as someone with a Manganese Grey ID4). There's a couple of new colours now with the series models. Moonstone Grey is one - it's flat paint though I think? Other is silver - looks white in brochure but may be nicer in the flesh.

How do you find the manganese grey?

Black_Knight · 13-05-2021 7:22pm

pad199207 wrote: »

How do you find the manganese grey?

I've seen him drive by. I think it's the second best colour available behind blue dusk.

Robotfarmer · 13-05-2021 8:44pm

The last few times I was in Cashel, I had to wait to get my car charged.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-05-2021 8:55pm

Robotfarmer wrote: »

The last few times I was in Cashel, I had to wait to get my car charged.

ICEd or being used by EVs? Hopefully the latter, it'd be good to see them being used

Robotfarmer · 13-05-2021 9:09pm

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

ICEd or being used by EVs? Hopefully the latter, it'd be good to see them being used

Used by Ev's. We need more stations. If Ev's double next year which is expected, we could have to wait for 3 or 4 cars to charge before us.

Black_Knight · 13-05-2021 9:12pm

Robotfarmer wrote: »

Used by Ev's. We need more stations. If Ev's double next year which is expected, we could have to wait for 3 or 4 cars to charge before us.

I think in all my limited charging at Cashel, ionity has only once ever had 1 other car there when I was there.

innrain · 13-05-2021 9:27pm

Robotfarmer wrote: »

The last few times I was in Cashel, I had to wait to get my car charged.

Were you trying to use Ionity or just the ecars?

pad199207 · 13-05-2021 9:43pm

I see VW give an 8 year guarantee on the battery. How long do EV batteries usually go for?

Jizique · 13-05-2021 9:44pm

pad199207 wrote: »

I see VW give an 8 year guarantee on the battery. How long do EV batteries usually go for?

Nobody knows, new product and market

Jofspring · 13-05-2021 9:46pm

pad199207 wrote: »

I see VW give an 8 year guarantee on the battery. How long do EV batteries usually go for?

Think all car companies give 8 years now. There are 2010 Nissan Leafs still going strong. Probably lost some range but still working away. So that's at least 11 years anyway.

pad199207 · 13-05-2021 9:49pm

Gosh it’s really difficult to come to a final decision. So many questions.

eagerv · 13-05-2021 10:16pm

pad199207 wrote: »

I see VW give an 8 year guarantee on the battery. How long do EV batteries usually go for?

Would hope a very long time. Especially with the battery management that is being used and the heating and cooling. And with average mileage larger battery cars will need charging much less than older EVs.

Liam2021 · 13-05-2021 10:33pm

pad199207 wrote: »

Gosh it’s really difficult to come to a final decision. So many questions.

There is so many questions and if's. Don't know if the country is ready for electric yet and the milage does not seem to be very good at the moment. Had thought about an ID4 but I think it will be a new Allspace next time. Don't know weather to get petrol or diesel.

pad199207 · 13-05-2021 10:47pm

Liam2021 wrote: »

There is so many questions and if's. Don't know if the country is ready for electric yet and the milage does not seem to be very good at the moment. Had thought about an ID4 but I think it will be a new Allspace next time. Don't know weather to get petrol or diesel.

I know. Second thoughts are starting to run through my mind.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-05-2021 10:49pm

pad199207 wrote: »

I see VW give an 8 year guarantee on the battery. How long do EV batteries usually go for?

8 years or 160,000km, whichever comes first

However, there's a level of degradation allowed for in that warranty. Up to 30% degredation after 8 years is allowed under the warranty. FYI, Tesla give the same warranty with the Model 3

Now, if you're worried, bear in mind a lot of 1st Gen Leafs are over 10 years old and still have over 80% of their range

And they used an older, less reliable battery design, with a 5 year warranty. Plus no battery cooling

I would not be surprised to see ID.4s in 10 years with well over 80% of their battery capacity remaining

jonerp · 13-05-2021 10:55pm

pad199207 wrote: »

Gosh it’s really difficult to come to a final decision. So many questions.

The battery is guaranteed for 8 years or 160000km. I bought a blue one 6 weeks ago and absolutely no regrets. I had a lot of reservations and dwelled on a lot of “what if” issues. I have 4000 Km up already but my mileage won’t always be that high. You adapt to the whole EV way very quickly. I’m not concerned about battery degradation but I do plan to trade in 3 years. Go for it if an EV suits your driving needs and your willing to put up with some short term software issues that will be resolved….. the scheduled charging not working is a bit of a pain but it hasn’t dampened my satisfaction with the car.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-05-2021 10:59pm

Liam2021 wrote: »

There is so many questions and if's. Don't know if the country is ready for electric yet and the milage does not seem to be very good at the moment. Had thought about an ID4 but I think it will be a new Allspace next time. Don't know weather to get petrol or diesel.

When they built a dam across the Shannon there were people saying that electricity would never catch on, and yet here we are

Modern EVs can get 300-350km at motorway speeds without needing a recharge, for most of the population that's a week's driving on a single charge, so the range argument doesn't really fly anymore

Yes the infrastructure isn't brilliant, but of you're only using it once in a blue moon then you don't really care. And at some point someone is going to pull the finger out and build some decent charging infrastructure in Ireland, it's only a matter of time

I've been driving a Leaf for 4 years now. There were exactly 2 occasions where it was easier to take the petrol car, and one of those was just to avoid an argument with the missus

So trust me when I say that 90% of the population could switch to EVs tomorrow and, assuming they have access to home charging, suffer no impact to their lifestyle

pad199207 · 13-05-2021 11:19pm

jonerp wrote: »

The battery is guaranteed for 8 years or 160000km. I bought a blue one 6 weeks ago and absolutely no regrets. I had a lot of reservations and dwelled on a lot of “what if” issues. I have 4000 Km up already but my mileage won’t always be that high. You adapt to the whole EV way very quickly. I’m not concerned about battery degradation but I do plan to trade in 3 years. Go for it if an EV suits your driving needs and your willing to put up with some short term software issues that will be resolved….. the scheduled charging not working is a bit of a pain but it hasn’t dampened my satisfaction with the car.

Fantastic honest and balanced review cheers

VW ID.4

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