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VW ID.4

  • 24-08-2019 9:54am
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    Registered Users Posts: 372 ✭✭ scooby77


    The ID 3's big brother, the Crozz, seems to be developing nicely. Lots of recent Spy shots, here's one example:
    https://insideevs.com/news/362808/volkswagen-id-crozz-spy-camo/

    VW putting alot of effort into this as it'll be the lynchpin of US market, ID 3 won't be there.
    A little off topic I know, but it's the version I'll be looking at (with Skoda Vision iv, and any Seat offering).

    Mod Note: Updated thread title


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    Moved to own thread


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭ krissovo


    Looks similar to every other crossover on the market at the moment and the shape is becoming very bland. I am keeping an eye out for the buzz which if in anyway similar to the concept would replace my classic camper.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Davy




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  • Moderators Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    Looks well. Better start saving now folks!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭ Silent Running


    Very similar to what I'm driving now. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    Finally, an EV my Missus might drive, she likes big cars and currently drives an Outlander.

    The ID4 does look a good bit smaller though.

    No doubt it will be 50K + with a half decent battery and 100 Kw + charging.


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 Keggers74


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    The ID4 does look a good bit smaller though.

    Been looking at this too. Apparently it is midway between a Tiguan and a Tiguan Allspace in size. I think slightly wider than both though.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,884 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    A bit bland if I'm honest. Their current line up of cross overs looks better. It looks like they've gone a bit Toyota with the styling.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,995 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    unkel wrote: »
    A bit bland if I'm honest. Their current line up of cross overs looks better. It looks like they've gone a bit Toyota with the styling.

    Given how well Toyotas sell, maybe no harm in that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    Give it 400 Hp AWD and 150 Kw charging and I'd think about it.

    I am watching the Ix3 closely too.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,884 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    Give it 400 Hp AWD and 150 Kw charging and I'd think about it.

    They did. It's called the Volkswagen E-tron ;)

    Costs twice what you are willing to pay for it though :pac:

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    unkel wrote: »
    They did. It's called the Volkswagen E-tron ;)

    Costs twice of what you are willing to pay for it though :pac:

    Ha, yeah the Etron is nice alright and I like the charging profile, it's an energy hungry car but that would suit me for most of my driving then fast charge the rest and it does fast charge, impressive car.

    My mileage means depreciation will be high especially so far on electric cars which is why I'm much more cautious this time around and pretty much decided against the E-Niro and E-Soul and because they don't charge at a high enough rate but mostly due to the risk of depreciation on a Kia and being electric.

    If I lived close to work I'd probably get a new M3 Performance at the end of my PCP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭ digiman


    Keggers74 wrote: »
    Been looking at this too. Apparently it is midway between a Tiguan and a Tiguan Allspace in size. I think slightly wider than both though.

    That would be perfect size for my house, wife has a Tiguan with a little under years left on PCP. As soon as it’s available I will be looking at it. Also interested to see what the new BMW X3 will be like, sounds like both will be out around a similar timeframe


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭ Casati


    Think it looks class - like the etron it doesn’t look like it’s an EV. The size looks decent too so looks promising. Hope the interior is not lower quality than currrnt Tiguan/ Kodiaq level


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Davy


    unkel wrote: »
    A bit bland if I'm honest. Their current line up of cross overs looks better. It looks like they've gone a bit Toyota with the styling.

    Rav4 + C-HR = ID.4?

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    C-HR

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  • Moderators Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight




  • Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭ Decoda


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XtUuOG9h8M

    Robbed from the ID3 thread, some video taken up close and personal of an ID4 in camouflage....externals only, he wasn't allowed to film the interior....


  • Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭ Decoda




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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    Reports from the US, reservations will be available for $100 sales expected before end of 2020.


  • Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭ Decoda


    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-volkswagen-id-4-online-reservation-100-deposit/


    Interested parties will be able to reserve their spot in line for the upcoming Volkswagen ID4 electric crossover with a $100 deposit when preorders open next month. In a call with journalists today, the automaker detailed its "New Volkswagen Customer Experience," a new online reservation system that aims to streamline the car shopping process.

    Online reservations are becoming the new normal for high-profile, high-demand vehicle launches -- just look at all of the hullabaloo surrounding the upcoming Ford Bronco or any vehicle that Tesla has launched in the last decade -- so it's no surprise to see VW adopting the tactic with the ID 4. Formerly known as the ID Crozz concept, it's the first in its ID series of dedicated electric vehicles to arrive in the US. Meanwhile, we've seen more stages of the buying process shifting online, a trend that's only been accelerated by the coronavirus pandemic.

    "With COVID, our dealers have seen very quickly that customers are demanding a new way of working and a new way of interacting with the brand and the business," says Duncan Movassaghi, executive vice president of VW Sales and Marketing. "What we as a brand have looked to do -- and I think that COVID has very much accelerated this for all of us -- is to bring a way of selling to our customers that is in line with how they are operating in the rest of their lives."

    For the ID 4, that way of selling will start at the online portal, where buyers will begin researching the vehicle like any other. There will be information about the vehicle -- the "how far, how fast and how much" in the words of Dustin Krause, director of emobility at Volkswagen Group of America -- as well as shopping tools specific to the ID 4. A commute and range estimator, payment estimation tool and a savings calculator that compares cost of operating an electric vehicle to that of an internal combustion engine aim to help prospective buyers figure out if the ID 4 will work for their specific lifestyle.

    Once decided, users will be able to configure and reserve their ID 4. VW's Krause says that the EV's available configurations have been streamlined to make building the ID 4 online "more similar to buying a new iPhone than a new car." Expect three trim levels (and a limited 1st Edition model), seven colors and simplified options for powertrain (rear-wheel or all-wheel drive). The specifics of these configurations hasn't been finalized and are subject to change with the production ID 4 unveiling in a few weeks.

    Options chosen, the buyer will then reserve their ID 4 with a $100 refundable deposit. At that time, they'll pick their preferred dealership for delivery and will be able to track the status of their order via a "My VW" online portal. Here, they'll be able to change or cancel their order, monitor their estimated delivery date and track every step their ID 4 makes, from leaving the factory to arriving in the US to reaching the dealership for purchase.

    At about the halfway point approaching delivery, the customer will be asked to make an additional $400 vehicle deposit to lock in their chosen options for production. VW tells me that the cumulative $500 deposited will be applied to the purchase price and remain refundable throughout the entire preorder process.

    Buyers will still have to go to the dealership to finalize the purchase of their ID 4. The New Volkswagen Customer Experience isn't designed to completely replace that part of the process

    Once we've taken a reservation, all of that detail is there for the dealer and we would certainly want them engaged through the period of preorder with the customer," Movassaghi said. "It's very much about us and our dealers working together to engage the customer and work with them flexibly in the way that they want to."

    Prospective owners who'd prefer an in-person experience will still be able to head to their preferred dealer to learn about and reserve their EV with the help of ID 4 specialists at each location. VW also states that as production ramps up, there will be a number of ID 4 examples reserved and arriving at dealerships for customer demonstrations.

    We have some customers, obviously, that still prefer the more traditional car buying experience, but we also see a fast growing population of customers who want to go online, find their car and purchase it with no or very little intervention," said Krause.
    When asked how this new web-centric buying paradigm will affect the rest of VW's vehicle sales, Movassaghi said, "I don't see cars like Atlas, Tiguan or any new SUV that has an [internal combustion engine] that we're launching going down this same route as far as preorders, but I do think in terms of online purchase, that's something we're looking to expand out across the model range."

    We'll learn more about the Volkswagen ID 4 itself, including specs, final range and pricing when the production electric SUV is officially unveiled next month. Expect online preorders to launch concurrent with the unveiling with the first deliveries estimated to arrive by the end of this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Looks like Autocar got their hands on a prototype, not sure if it's one of the production models but it looks pretty finished

    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-drive-2021-volkswagen-id-4-prototype

    Interior looks like a straight copy & paste from ID.3 (no issues there). Back seats seem to have plenty of space and the boot looks good and big, plenty of room for camping gear and buggy, etc.

    They mentioned the battery sizes as being 52kWh and 77kWh. This seems a bit weird since the 52kWh was the gross capacity of the entry ID.3 and 77kWh was the net capacity of the top battery ID.3

    If the Enyaq is any indication, we'll probably see the 3 battery sizes similar to the ID.3, 52, 58 & 77kWh

    All in all looking like a good car, can't wait for the reveal :D


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Davy




    Door handles are strange for VW.
    Do any other model have something similar?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Davy wrote: »


    Door handles are strange for VW.
    Do any other model have something similar?

    Looks like the battery sizes are pretty set at 52 and 77kWh. Seems a bit limited not to have a middle option like the ID.3, I think for some the 52 might be a little short on range but the 77 might be out of the price range


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭ Agent_47


    I could live with that ID4 but not the ID3. Even has a tow hitch which is a deal breaker for me. Nice car, agree it will be a best seller


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    Agent_47 wrote: »
    I could live with that ID4 but not the ID3. Even has a tow hitch which is a deal breaker for me. Nice car, agree it will be a best seller

    I’d say it will be very expensive with decent spec costing 50k just my guess.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Agent_47 wrote: »
    I could live with that ID4 but not the ID3. Even has a tow hitch which is a deal breaker for me. Nice car, agree it will be a best seller

    Oh yeah, they'll fly out of the garage, no doubt about it. I'd just have preferred a mid size battery around 60kWh like the Enyaq. I wonder why they're going a different direction to Skoda.

    Can't wait for the 23rd :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,398 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    50 Kwh in something that big is just a real lame attempt at VW to push People to the more expensive 77 Kwh which is probably going to cost 55 K and 70,000 Euro's for the AWD 300 HP.

    The interior looks much better than the id 3 which I suppose wouldn't be hard, 120 max Kw charging is ridiculous today, VW could have done better, even if it could maintain 120 Kw for longer than the id3 it would be better but it won't.

    It's a nice car, way nicer than the id3 but 50 Kw base is just very mean of VW.

    So what would the id.4 offer me above a model 3 ?

    ID4 positives vs Tesla Model 3 ( to me ) no point comparing it to an id.3

    ID4 A lot nicer and a lot bigger

    Model 3 Positives ( to me )

    much faster, probably more range for the same battery, m3 SR+ seems to give around 300 Km range well below advertised the 50 Kwh id4 will probably average maybe less given it's larger size.

    Autopilot , probably much more advanced than anything VW have ? which I really want for all the motorway driving I do.

    M3 can also charge faster on DC.

    What am I missing ? oh yeah I got a main VW Dealer around 7 kms away in Carlow Town.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭ graememk


    Mad_Lad wrote: »


    So what would the id.4 offer me above a model 3 ?

    Would a tesla model Y be in that comparison too? As the id4 and Y are cossover like?


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