VW ID.4

scooby77

The ID 3's big brother, the Crozz, seems to be developing nicely. Lots of recent Spy shots, here's one example:
https://insideevs.com/news/362808/volkswagen-id-crozz-spy-camo/

VW putting alot of effort into this as it'll be the lynchpin of US market, ID 3 won't be there.
A little off topic I know, but it's the version I'll be looking at (with Skoda Vision iv, and any Seat offering).

Mod Note: Updated thread title

biko

Moved to own thread

krissovo

Looks similar to every other crossover on the market at the moment and the shape is becoming very bland. I am keeping an eye out for the buzz which if in anyway similar to the concept would replace my classic camper.

liamog

ID.4 caught without camouflage

https://twitter.com/bartekg/status/1214481342760660994

liamog

Apparently it's currently disguised as an Opel

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1111107_2021-volkswagen-id-4-spy-shots

Davy

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/169845/2021-volkswagen-id4-suv-styling-leaked

Black_Knight

Looks well. Better start saving now folks!

Silent Running

Very similar to what I'm driving now.

Finally, an EV my Missus might drive, she likes big cars and currently drives an Outlander.

The ID4 does look a good bit smaller though.

No doubt it will be 50K + with a half decent battery and 100 Kw + charging.

Keggers74

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The ID4 does look a good bit smaller though.

Been looking at this too. Apparently it is midway between a Tiguan and a Tiguan Allspace in size. I think slightly wider than both though.

unkel

A bit bland if I'm honest. Their current line up of cross overs looks better. It looks like they've gone a bit Toyota with the styling.

bk

unkel wrote: »

A bit bland if I'm honest. Their current line up of cross overs looks better. It looks like they've gone a bit Toyota with the styling.

Given how well Toyotas sell, maybe no harm in that.

Give it 400 Hp AWD and 150 Kw charging and I'd think about it.

I am watching the Ix3 closely too.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

Give it 400 Hp AWD and 150 Kw charging and I'd think about it.

They did. It's called the Volkswagen E-tron

Costs twice what you are willing to pay for it though :pac:

unkel

unkel wrote: »

They did. It's called the Volkswagen E-tron

Costs twice of what you are willing to pay for it though :pac:

Ha, yeah the Etron is nice alright and I like the charging profile, it's an energy hungry car but that would suit me for most of my driving then fast charge the rest and it does fast charge, impressive car.

My mileage means depreciation will be high especially so far on electric cars which is why I'm much more cautious this time around and pretty much decided against the E-Niro and E-Soul and because they don't charge at a high enough rate but mostly due to the risk of depreciation on a Kia and being electric.

If I lived close to work I'd probably get a new M3 Performance at the end of my PCP.

digiman

Keggers74 wrote: »

Been looking at this too. Apparently it is midway between a Tiguan and a Tiguan Allspace in size. I think slightly wider than both though.

That would be perfect size for my house, wife has a Tiguan with a little under years left on PCP. As soon as it’s available I will be looking at it. Also interested to see what the new BMW X3 will be like, sounds like both will be out around a similar timeframe

Casati

Think it looks class - like the etron it doesn’t look like it’s an EV. The size looks decent too so looks promising. Hope the interior is not lower quality than currrnt Tiguan/ Kodiaq level

Davy

unkel wrote: »

A bit bland if I'm honest. Their current line up of cross overs looks better. It looks like they've gone a bit Toyota with the styling.

Rav4 + C-HR = ID.4?



C-HR

Black_Knight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WCfTREZSdQ

Decoda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XtUuOG9h8M

Robbed from the ID3 thread, some video taken up close and personal of an ID4 in camouflage....externals only, he wasn't allowed to film the interior....

Decoda

https://electrek.co/2020/08/20/vw-starts-id-4-electric-suv-production/amp/

liamog

Reports from the US, reservations will be available for $100 sales expected before end of 2020.

Decoda

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-volkswagen-id-4-online-reservation-100-deposit/


Interested parties will be able to reserve their spot in line for the upcoming Volkswagen ID4 electric crossover with a $100 deposit when preorders open next month. In a call with journalists today, the automaker detailed its "New Volkswagen Customer Experience," a new online reservation system that aims to streamline the car shopping process.

Online reservations are becoming the new normal for high-profile, high-demand vehicle launches -- just look at all of the hullabaloo surrounding the upcoming Ford Bronco or any vehicle that Tesla has launched in the last decade -- so it's no surprise to see VW adopting the tactic with the ID 4. Formerly known as the ID Crozz concept, it's the first in its ID series of dedicated electric vehicles to arrive in the US. Meanwhile, we've seen more stages of the buying process shifting online, a trend that's only been accelerated by the coronavirus pandemic.

"With COVID, our dealers have seen very quickly that customers are demanding a new way of working and a new way of interacting with the brand and the business," says Duncan Movassaghi, executive vice president of VW Sales and Marketing. "What we as a brand have looked to do -- and I think that COVID has very much accelerated this for all of us -- is to bring a way of selling to our customers that is in line with how they are operating in the rest of their lives."

For the ID 4, that way of selling will start at the online portal, where buyers will begin researching the vehicle like any other. There will be information about the vehicle -- the "how far, how fast and how much" in the words of Dustin Krause, director of emobility at Volkswagen Group of America -- as well as shopping tools specific to the ID 4. A commute and range estimator, payment estimation tool and a savings calculator that compares cost of operating an electric vehicle to that of an internal combustion engine aim to help prospective buyers figure out if the ID 4 will work for their specific lifestyle.

Once decided, users will be able to configure and reserve their ID 4. VW's Krause says that the EV's available configurations have been streamlined to make building the ID 4 online "more similar to buying a new iPhone than a new car." Expect three trim levels (and a limited 1st Edition model), seven colors and simplified options for powertrain (rear-wheel or all-wheel drive). The specifics of these configurations hasn't been finalized and are subject to change with the production ID 4 unveiling in a few weeks.

Options chosen, the buyer will then reserve their ID 4 with a $100 refundable deposit. At that time, they'll pick their preferred dealership for delivery and will be able to track the status of their order via a "My VW" online portal. Here, they'll be able to change or cancel their order, monitor their estimated delivery date and track every step their ID 4 makes, from leaving the factory to arriving in the US to reaching the dealership for purchase.

At about the halfway point approaching delivery, the customer will be asked to make an additional $400 vehicle deposit to lock in their chosen options for production. VW tells me that the cumulative $500 deposited will be applied to the purchase price and remain refundable throughout the entire preorder process.

Buyers will still have to go to the dealership to finalize the purchase of their ID 4. The New Volkswagen Customer Experience isn't designed to completely replace that part of the process

Once we've taken a reservation, all of that detail is there for the dealer and we would certainly want them engaged through the period of preorder with the customer," Movassaghi said. "It's very much about us and our dealers working together to engage the customer and work with them flexibly in the way that they want to."

Prospective owners who'd prefer an in-person experience will still be able to head to their preferred dealer to learn about and reserve their EV with the help of ID 4 specialists at each location. VW also states that as production ramps up, there will be a number of ID 4 examples reserved and arriving at dealerships for customer demonstrations.

We have some customers, obviously, that still prefer the more traditional car buying experience, but we also see a fast growing population of customers who want to go online, find their car and purchase it with no or very little intervention," said Krause.
When asked how this new web-centric buying paradigm will affect the rest of VW's vehicle sales, Movassaghi said, "I don't see cars like Atlas, Tiguan or any new SUV that has an [internal combustion engine] that we're launching going down this same route as far as preorders, but I do think in terms of online purchase, that's something we're looking to expand out across the model range."

We'll learn more about the Volkswagen ID 4 itself, including specs, final range and pricing when the production electric SUV is officially unveiled next month. Expect online preorders to launch concurrent with the unveiling with the first deliveries estimated to arrive by the end of this year.

the_amazing_raisin

Looks like Autocar got their hands on a prototype, not sure if it's one of the production models but it looks pretty finished

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-drive-2021-volkswagen-id-4-prototype

Interior looks like a straight copy & paste from ID.3 (no issues there). Back seats seem to have plenty of space and the boot looks good and big, plenty of room for camping gear and buggy, etc.

They mentioned the battery sizes as being 52kWh and 77kWh. This seems a bit weird since the 52kWh was the gross capacity of the entry ID.3 and 77kWh was the net capacity of the top battery ID.3

If the Enyaq is any indication, we'll probably see the 3 battery sizes similar to the ID.3, 52, 58 & 77kWh

All in all looking like a good car, can't wait for the reveal

Davy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjpHoiPHZ7U

Door handles are strange for VW.
Do any other model have something similar?

the_amazing_raisin

Davy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjpHoiPHZ7U

Door handles are strange for VW.
Do any other model have something similar?

Looks like the battery sizes are pretty set at 52 and 77kWh. Seems a bit limited not to have a middle option like the ID.3, I think for some the 52 might be a little short on range but the 77 might be out of the price range

Agent_47

I could live with that ID4 but not the ID3. Even has a tow hitch which is a deal breaker for me. Nice car, agree it will be a best seller

Agent_47

Agent_47 wrote: »

I could live with that ID4 but not the ID3. Even has a tow hitch which is a deal breaker for me. Nice car, agree it will be a best seller

I’d say it will be very expensive with decent spec costing 50k just my guess.

the_amazing_raisin

Agent_47 wrote: »

I could live with that ID4 but not the ID3. Even has a tow hitch which is a deal breaker for me. Nice car, agree it will be a best seller

Oh yeah, they'll fly out of the garage, no doubt about it. I'd just have preferred a mid size battery around 60kWh like the Enyaq. I wonder why they're going a different direction to Skoda.

Can't wait for the 23rd

50 Kwh in something that big is just a real lame attempt at VW to push People to the more expensive 77 Kwh which is probably going to cost 55 K and 70,000 Euro's for the AWD 300 HP.

The interior looks much better than the id 3 which I suppose wouldn't be hard, 120 max Kw charging is ridiculous today, VW could have done better, even if it could maintain 120 Kw for longer than the id3 it would be better but it won't.

It's a nice car, way nicer than the id3 but 50 Kw base is just very mean of VW.

So what would the id.4 offer me above a model 3 ?

ID4 positives vs Tesla Model 3 ( to me ) no point comparing it to an id.3

ID4 A lot nicer and a lot bigger

Model 3 Positives ( to me )

much faster, probably more range for the same battery, m3 SR+ seems to give around 300 Km range well below advertised the 50 Kwh id4 will probably average maybe less given it's larger size.

Autopilot , probably much more advanced than anything VW have ? which I really want for all the motorway driving I do.

M3 can also charge faster on DC.

What am I missing ? oh yeah I got a main VW Dealer around 7 kms away in Carlow Town.

graememk

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So what would the id.4 offer me above a model 3 ?

Would a tesla model Y be in that comparison too? As the id4 and Y are cossover like?

liamog

graememk wrote: »

Would a tesla model Y be in that comparison too? As the id4 and Y are cossover like?

I don't think either of them are, you'll likely be paying around 15k less for the Volkswagen model with the same range. Remember Audi is VAG's car's for the market that Tesla targets.

So in answer to what you get with the ID.4 over a Model Y, moolah.

The id4 interior looks nicer in my opinion compared to the Model Y or S or 3, Outside it looks better too.

Anyone know if the id4 will have the same level of automation as Autopilot ?

I think if I'm to get a new car that for the amount of Motorway miles I'm doing tesla's Autopilot would be what would swing me towards a model 3.

But, I'm doing too many kms now to be buying new cars lol.

graememk

graememk wrote: »

Would a tesla model Y be in that comparison too? As the id4 and Y are cossover like?

No I think a Y would be more Audi Etron territory or a bit behind.

Black_Knight

https://youtu.be/cfdmohiNhLg

Not sure if that's anything new. 107-150kW motors. And the same 50 and 70 kWh batteries in the enyaq. 300-500km range. So scrap the 50kAwh one, since that'll just do 200km on the motorway, and scrap the 70, because it'll be too pricey

liamog

It's about 6k to upgrade the enyaq from the 58kWh to 77kWh battery.

the_amazing_raisin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The id4 interior looks nicer in my opinion compared to the Model Y or S or 3, Outside it looks better too.

Anyone know if the id4 will have the same level of automation as Autopilot ?

I think if I'm to get a new car that for the amount of Motorway miles I'm doing tesla's Autopilot would be what would swing me towards a model 3.

But, I'm doing too many kms now to be buying new cars lol.

I've not experienced either so all I know is from manuals and youtube videos

From what I can tell, VW travel assist will cover all the basics of autopilot; radar guided cruise control, lane keeping, emergency braking and can stop and start in traffic.

VW has predictive speed limiting, so it'll read speed signs and adjust the cruise control setting accordingly. Tesla relies on gps data which can be inaccurate sometimes.

Tesla seems to focus on having the autopilot handle navigation decisions whereas VW leave that up to the driver, so it won't take a motorway exit for you.

I'm going to venture that autopilot is a bit better since tesla have been developing it longer and have a better data set to work off of. Also Tesla are probably quicker with software updates so autopilot will likely age better. Having said that, tesla also have a spotty history with upgrading hardware in the model 3 (some get it, some don't with no real explanation)

The VW travel assist is only on the highest trim levels of the ID.3 and I'm gonna guess it'll be that same for the ID.4, so it'll be an extra cost over the base price

KCross

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I've not experienced either so all I know is from manuals and youtube videos

From what I can tell, VW travel assist will cover all the basics of autopilot; radar guided cruise control, lane keeping, emergency braking and can stop and start in traffic.

Just to clarify, all ID.3’s and presumably all ID.4, Enyaqs etc have that by default.

Travel assist adds extra on top of those.

the_amazing_raisin

KCross wrote: »

Just to clarify, all ID.3’s and presumably all ID.4, Enyaqs etc have that by default.

Travel assist adds extra on top of those.

Correct yes, travel assist kind of ties all these together in one system and is capable of suggesting actions like an overtake on a dual carriageway.

Cheers for the replies, I would assume teslas Ap to be much more advanced but no experience with either.

the_amazing_raisin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cheers for the replies, I would assume teslas Ap to be much more advanced but no experience with either.

I'd say in terms of features they're quite similar, I think the advantage of autopilot is that Tesla have been developing it longer, so it's probably a smoother experience overall.

However as was pointed out, the lower trims have adaptive cruise control and lane keeping, which covers about 90% of what you'd want autopilot for (drive on main road, don't crash into car in front, don't drive off road).

So you could have a budget solution for cheaper than the Model Y.

Personally there are 3 main reasons why I'd choose the ID.4 over Tesla right now:

1. Price - I can probably get an ID.4 with the features I want for cheaper than the Model Y. The model 3 is too small for what I need right now.

2. Convenience - The only Tesla service center in Ireland is on the other side of Dublin through the most heavily trafficked roads in the country. There's a VW garage a 15 min jog away, I can drop the car in for a service, jog home and work from home instead of taking the day off.

3. Looks - Yeah it's subjective, and a lot of people are gonna disagree, but I prefer the look of the ID series cars, and I really like the interior of the ID.4

So there's my analysis, I know it's very specific to my situation but I think everyone should think about this sort of stuff before committing to a new car. What works for others may or may not suit you

cruisey1987

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I'd say in terms of features they're quite similar, I think the advantage of autopilot is that Tesla have been developing it longer, so it's probably a smoother experience overall.

However as was pointed out, the lower trims have adaptive cruise control and lane keeping, which covers about 90% of what you'd want autopilot for (drive on main road, don't crash into car in front, don't drive off road).

So you could have a budget solution for cheaper than the Model Y.

Personally there are 3 main reasons why I'd choose the ID.4 over Tesla right now:

1. Price - I can probably get an ID.4 with the features I want for cheaper than the Model Y. The model 3 is too small for what I need right now.

2. Convenience - The only Tesla service center in Ireland is on the other side of Dublin through the most heavily trafficked roads in the country. There's a VW garage a 15 min jog away, I can drop the car in for a service, jog home and work from home instead of taking the day off.

3. Looks - Yeah it's subjective, and a lot of people are gonna disagree, but I prefer the look of the ID series cars, and I really like the interior of the ID.4

So there's my analysis, I know it's very specific to my situation but I think everyone should think about this sort of stuff before committing to a new car. What works for others may or may not suit you

German interiors are in my opinion the best out there when you get a decent spec of course.

Yes the ID4 to me is a lot better looking than the Model 3 which I think is pig ugly from the front.

If the id4 has indeed got lane keep assist thing as good as Autopilot it would be on my list, but a decent spec id4 is going to be expensive and 50 Kwh I don't think it's going to give as much range I bet as a Model 3.

Indeed most of my mileage is motorway so I would like the best form of automation I can buy to ease the pain of this endless commute.

Davy

Very clever marketing the towing. VW are trying to kill the Model Y before it even gets to Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG1DuiEJc-w

cruisey1987 wrote: »

1. Price - I can probably get an ID.4 with the features I want for cheaper than the Model Y. The model 3 is too small for what I need right now.

Depends on what features you want. The basic ID.3 didn't have keyless entry or a reversing camera in 2020 for €34k. For comparison albeit stupid, you could buy 2 Dacia dusters with reversing cameras and have change left over.

liamog

Davy wrote: »

Very clever marketing the towing. VW are trying to kill the Model Y before it even gets to Europe

Will be interesting to see how the ID.4 is priced, past rumours had it about 5k more than an ID.3. VAGs answer to the Model Y will be the Q4 e-Tron I think it's due for announcement soon.

Davy

liamog wrote: »

VAGs answer to the Model Y will be the Q4 e-Tron I think it's due for announcement soon.

Yeah that's probably fair to say, but I think a lot of people will be looking at Model Y/ID.4/Skoda Enyaq comparison.

TheBigEvil

Not sure if there is a thread on this yet, but thought I throw this up.

First look at the VW ID.4. Looks to be ready for 2021, as in early 2021 delivery.

Certainly will be keeping an eye on this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdmohiNhLg

liamog

I suppose it's pretty much officially called the ID.4 now, so I've updated the thread title.

It looks a lot nicer than the id.3 inside, the id.3 should have been better to be honest.

Can't imagine what a decent spec id.4 will cost, probably 50K at least and with travel assist I might consider one over a model 3 but I doubt it will have more than 120 Kw charging on offer. I'd be more betting it will be closer to 60K with decent power. Same motor as the id.3 and it will be too slow.

It's going to be more inefficient than the id.3 and m3 too but not really a big problem for my 142-155 kms commute.

the_amazing_raisin

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It looks a lot nicer than the id.3 inside, the id.3 should have been better to be honest.

Can't imagine what a decent spec id.4 will cost, probably 50K at least and with travel assist I might consider one over a model 3 but I doubt it will have more than 120 Kw charging on offer. I'd be more betting it will be closer to 60K with decent power. Same motor as the id.3 and it will be too slow.

It's going to be more inefficient than the id.3 and m3 too but not really a big problem for my 142-155 kms commute.

The starting prices have been mentioned around €40k, which puts it in Tiguan R line territory. That's 10k more to play with than the ID.3 so I'm guessing they'll spend a bit more on the interior.


They'll probably have a 'budget' interior closer to the ID.3 as well.


VW seem to tune the charging power to the battery size to keep it to around 30-45 mins. For example the 58kWh ID.3 can charge up to 100kW, but the 77kWh can charge up to 125kW.


Of course this will likely be an option same as the ID.3. Base will probably have 50kW DC charging, although if they upped to 75kW or something a bit higher would be nice



The motor will probably not provide much entertainment, but considering the majority of cars in that segment seem to be used to ferry the kids to school then it'll be fine for everyday driving. More power hungry customers will probably wait for the AWD version


Battery sizes seem a tad bizarre, no middle option to speak of, only 52kWh and 77kWh. Something in the mid 60s would have been nice too, I feel like 52kWh might be a tad short for a road trip.


Drag has been mentioned around 0.28c which is E-tron territory, so it'll likely be a thirsty vehicle on the motorway

drumm23

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Drag has been mentioned around 0.28c which is E-tron territory, so it'll likely be a thirsty vehicle on the motorway

that's not great

the_amazing_raisin

drumm23 wrote: »

that's not great

Yeah it seems a bit high, I mean it looks sleeker than the E-tron so it should be more aerodynamic


The E-tron carries a lot of weight around as well (nearly 2.5 tonnes) so if the ID.4 is lighter that'll give it a slight boost