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Nora Quoirin. [Read mod note in post #1 - updated 14/08]

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    #272
    Portsalon
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    So you see no difference between the two cases at all ? Really ?

    I can't recall writing that, but then perhaps you're one of those very clever people who can read other people's minds from miles away - or think that they can.


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    #273
    iamwhoiam
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    Portsalon wrote: »
    I can't recall writing that, but then perhaps you're one of those very clever people who can read other people's minds from miles away - or think that they can.

    Whatever


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    #274
    Spon Farmer
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    Folks, I know the family are not going to be reading this but can we not do the petty squabbling?

    A child is missing and a family is in bits. Put the horse**** aside for this thread, please.


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    #275
    expectationlost
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    is that photo of her at the waterfall in maylasia?


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    #276
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    Folks, I know the family are not going to be reading this but can we not do the petty squabbling?

    A child is missing and a family is in bits. Put the horse**** aside for this thread, please.
    Sorry, but the ridiculous speculation as to what may have happened, from many including yourself, is more in need of taming to be perfectly honest.


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    #277
    SEPT 23 1989
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    I don’t think the family would care if the devil himself turned up if it meant that the child was found safe


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    #278
    Spanish Eyes
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    Matias Moldy Jaguar wrote: »
    Sorry, but the ridiculous speculation as to what may have happened, from many including yourself, is more in need of taming to be perfectly honest.

    Now now. That's what the mods are here for ;)

    When there is a vacuum of information of course people will speculate, it's human nature.

    I have been the recipient of many a castigation on here for some of my posts. But I can take it.

    That's what discussion fora are all about really. Mods will sort out the loony toons.

    Everyone hopes the girl is found safe and well. It is the HOW she disappeared with no trace is what is causing the speculation. That's normal.


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    #279
    N365
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    is that photo of her at the waterfall in maylasia?

    This one?


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    #280
    votecounts
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    Matias Moldy Jaguar wrote: »
    Sorry, but the ridiculous speculation as to what may have happened, from many including yourself, is more in need of taming to be perfectly honest.
    Was about to say this myself, think about it this way would you like it if people were to speculate this was if she were your daughter. sister, etc. on a public forum


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    #281
    Spanish Eyes
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    votecounts wrote: »
    Was about to say this myself, think about it this way would you like it if people were to speculate this was if she were your daughter. sister, etc. on a public forum

    I am sure anyone in the family's situation would hope that word gets out on social media big time. It is often marred by trolls that is true, but sometimes the publicity is worth it. If I were in that situation I wouldn't care what was said, but it just might lead to something positive.

    There cannot be many now who don't realise that cases such as this will be discussed online anymore. There is no protection. But sometimes publicity of whatever hue can help. And people really do want a good outcome to this.


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    #282
    iamwhoiam
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    I must say I see no real harm in discussing the terrain and the probability of Nora being too far into the jungle . A case like this will always bring discussion and people thoughts on it
    The vast majority of posters wish Nora is found very soon and have huge sympathy for her family


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    #283
    [Deleted User]
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Just on this-Malaysia is essentially two countries separated by the South China Sea. The Sabah area where kidnappings have taken place is over 2,000km away from peninsular Malaysia where Nora and her family are located.

    The latest Indo article on the case says that Nora had been sleeping upstairs but that the open window (with the unidentified fingerprint) was in the living room downstairs. It also says that she has problems with her balance and walking alone would be difficult for her.

    The warning on the website is for Malaysia in general, for various different reasons. It's not as safe a country as might be portrayed- and I'm not talking just kidnapping either or in just one area.

    There's also a lot of police corruption that's currently and previously under investigation. There's one thing I'm certain of- if the police believe something other than "wandering off" is the reason for this poor girls disappearance, they'll never admit it.


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    #284
    BarryD2
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    N365 wrote: »
    I wonder how long before police return to the hotel to search again?

    Haven't heard this aspect reported much. You'd hope that they've thoroughly searched every part of the resort and interviewed anyone who was staying/ working there.


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    #285
    Spanish Eyes
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Haven't heard this aspect reported much. You'd hope that they've thoroughly searched every part of the resort and interviewed anyone who was staying/ working there.

    I would imagine/hope that parents and siblings did that search etc. at first discovery of her disappearance. She could be hiding somewhere.

    Very hopefully she is. And hopefully has a water source. Children can just go and do this, but not for 7 days admittedly.

    Let us hope she is found safe and well. Live in hope.


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    #286
    N365
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Haven't heard this aspect reported much. You'd hope that they've thoroughly searched every part of the resort and interviewed anyone who was staying/ working there.

    If the family were telling the police that they believe she was abducted then they may not have focused their efforts much within the immediate vicinity.


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    #287
    Reati
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    75% of the family in kuala lumpar are traveling on Irish passports. They have a lot of maternal connections on this island. It doesn’t matter where they live. They have found themselves entirely blamelessly in a tragic situation.If there’s anything the Irish state can do to help them then we are bound to do it.

    Exactly. She is travelling as an Irish citizen with an Irish passport. She is entitled to/getting consular help from the Irish authorities. So therefore it makes perfect send a Garda out there, as they are the police force of the Irish authorities.

    (Also, super anal I know but her name is Nóra not Nora. Her parents spell and refer to her as Nóra. And yes, they are different.)


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    #288
    Strazdas
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    Interesting snippet on RTE that two people a month get lost in the forest but are usually located within 48 hours. It's completely baffling how there is no trace of Nora with hundreds of people searching for her.


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    Spanish Eyes
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    OK, before the castigators and those giving out descend on me,

    If you had a child with special needs, would you really go to the edge of the jungle/rain forest with him/her. There are so many other options.

    I am not judging here. But I have no doubt that others will disagree. That's fine. Just asking.


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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    If you had a child with special needs, would you really go to the edge of the jungle/rain forest with him/her. There are so many other options.

    .

    Yes I hear Tayto Park can be a blast at halloween

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/several-injured-tayto-park-accident-9107439

    Or you could head to Seville- that's in Europe - that should be OK, right?

    https://news.sky.com/story/major-scenes-of-panic-after-fairground-ride-accident-injures-28-11737713

    Or you could just get a bouncy castle in your own back garden

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/fairground-workers-jailed-over-entirely-preventable-bouncy-castle-death-1.3531980


    Like, WTF are you on and what exactly is your point? You're obviously out to get the parents of this child - have you no shame? They brought their child on a holiday of a lifetime- to expand her experiences and add valuable memories to her troubled life- and you're pointing the blame at her disappearance on them?

    Shame on you, yet again.


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    #291
    iamwhoiam
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    OK, before the castigators and those giving out descend on me,

    If you had a child with special needs, would you really go to the edge of the jungle/rain forest with him/her. There are so many other options.

    I am not judging here. But I have no doubt that others will disagree. That's fine. Just asking.

    Every child is different and that goes for every child with special needs too
    My thoughts would be that no one knows a child as well as their own family and so I would be very much of the opinion that their decision is what is important for their child
    Basically it is none of our business


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    #292
    N365
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    Interesting snippet on RTE that two people a month get lost in the forest but are usually located within 48 hours. It's completely baffling how there is no trace of Nora with hundreds of people searching for her.

    If the police and soldiers are struggling to negotiate the jungle how could a child do it. It’s the reason I believe that the complex is where they will end up focusing on in the end.


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    #293
    fits
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    OK, before the castigators and those giving out descend on me,

    If you had a child with special needs, would you really go to the edge of the jungle/rain forest with him/her. There are so many other options.

    I am not judging here. But I have no doubt that others will disagree. That's fine. Just asking.

    Every child is different. I do have a child with special needs and I’d have no issue with bringing him to Malaysia at all. I’ve been there. The flight would be the most difficult part for us.


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    #294
    BarryD2
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    N365 wrote: »
    If the family were telling the police that they believe she was abducted then they may not have focused their efforts much within the immediate vicinity.

    There has been lots of media attention here on jungle searches, loudspeakers in the forest and local trackers etc etc. You just hope that the authorities there have looked over every inch of the actual residential area...


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    #295
    Knine
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    OK, before the castigators and those giving out descend on me,

    If you had a child with special needs, would you really go to the edge of the jungle/rain forest with him/her. There are so many other options.

    I am not judging here. But I have no doubt that others will disagree. That's fine. Just asking.

    Yeah I would. Same as any other child & I do have a child with very complex care needs.


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    #296
    Strazdas
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    N365 wrote: »
    If the police and soldiers are struggling to negotiate the jungle how could a child do it. It’s the reason I believe that the complex is where they will end up focusing on in the end.

    I would imagine Nora would be nowhere near strong enough to trek miles into the rain forest. She sounds from the family's description like a slight girl and not very fit.


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    #297
    Spon Farmer
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    There has been lots of media attention here on jungle searches, loudspeakers in the forest and local trackers etc etc. You just hope that the authorities there have looked over every inch of the actual residential area...

    Not just there but the flight they arrived on, the airport, and anyplace they've been since arriving in the country - all are places were someone could have targeted the family.

    I'm not a policeman or a detective but when I comes to a child I would take no chances and treat it as both a child getting lost and an abduction. Get experts in for each.

    Does anyone know when they started using the loudspeakers? Could the searchers have frightened her into going further away? yes that make sense?

    I also saw one news site report that villagers remember hearing a truck in the very early hours.

    It is all so horrible.


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    #298
    Spanish Eyes
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    Fair enough and thanks for your replies.

    I have a nephew with complex needs. He is a darling but loves places where he can see his parents/siblings all the time. He needs to be within sight all the time.

    Just saying. People can tailor their trips according to their kids needs.


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    #299
    Spon Farmer
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    An anonymous donor has offered to fund a reward.

    Malaysian police and other advisors apparently want the family to accept it.

    https://extra.ie/2019/08/11/news/irish-news/nora-quoirin-donor-reward


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    #300
    [Deleted User]
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »

    Just saying. People can tailor their trips according to their kids needs.

    As I'm sure the parents of this girl did- but you obviously don't think so.


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    #301
    Spon Farmer
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Fair enough and thanks for your replies.

    I have a nephew with complex needs. He is a darling but loves places where he can see his parents/siblings all the time. He needs to be within sight all the time.

    Just saying. People can tailor their trips according to their kids needs.

    All parents do (or are supposed to) tailor holidays to their kids regardless of special needs.

    There is no reason to think the Quoirin's did not do so for al their kids. You cannot anticipate everything and no one expects something like this to happen.


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