Nora Quoirin. [Read mod note in post #1 - updated 14/08]

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Unless the mods ban me I am entitled not to be bullied by those who think they know better.

I am making my point, and will continue to do so.

Special needs kids need special destinations. I know this. The edge of the jungle is not one those places.

Calm down everyone. We each have a voice. Or maybe you would all like an echo chamber.

You make extraordinary claims, you must live with the consequences of those claims.
Speaking as the voice of the missing child was probably one of the lowest points i've seen in this or AH forum in many a year.

Spon Farmer

Deleted User wrote: »

In my own mind, I sort of thought that myself TBH.

If this is the official Malaysian way of sorting this terrible event, and if the parents get their daughter back, then at least there's hope still, no matter what the route to get there.

I personally feel the "politics" of tourism, the economy and saving face and all of that stuff is playing out here- at the expense of putting resources into finding this poor girl.

But ultimately, if she's found alive- that's all that counts right now.

I heard in the past of police being accused of not doing enough because they are protecting a countries tourist image but is that something that really happens?

It doesn't make sense to me because you don't protect your image by not solving the crime - whereas if if this girl is found then all the locals who helped are heroes and he country appears much safer.

And those something like this affect tourism? What happened to the town were Maeline McCann was abducted from? Is it still a tourist spot or did it fall apart?

bilbot79

Children are sometimes kidnapped in Malaysia for organ trafficking. My fear is this girl is on ice

dark crystal

I Initially thought Nora may have wandered off, being disorientated by the long flight/ unfamiliar surroundings, but from reading further, it seems she was well accustomed to travelling and had been to Asia before. Her family (who of course know her best) insist she would not have wandered off anywhere as she needed to be close to her family at all times.

I'm afraid the abduction theory looks more likely the more the days go on. If she had wandered off, I'm sure she would have been found by now as she couldn't have walked far (again, her family said she had limited mobility).

I'm just heartbroken for her poor parents - what must they be thinking in their desperation? It's such an awfully sad and perplexing case.

jam_mac_jam

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Unless the mods ban me I am entitled not to be bullied by those who think they know better.

I am making my point, and will continue to do so.

Special needs kids need special destinations. I know this. The edge of the jungle is not one those places.

Calm down everyone. We each have a voice. Or maybe you would all like an echo chamber.

If it happened in Ireland you would find some other reason to blame the parents, the window wasn't locked, they dared to go to sleep or something else. You are just being nasty for the sake of it. It's a resort in Malaysia they didn't go to Afghanistan or the Congo ffs. Do you think children don't go missing in Europe

N365

[Deleted User] wrote: »

See my post above- maybe. I don't know. Might be over-thinking this. World media on this case is certainly causing pressure and it's obviously going to hurt $ tourism, so they want this resolved- there's no doubt in my mind on that.

I agree that the wording is strange and confusing. I’m not sure how well the family are handling the media either. They have made only one appearance which was six days after Nora’s disappearance. .

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

You make extraordinary claims, you must live with the consequences of those claims.
Speaking as the voice of the missing child was probably one of the lowest points i've seen in this or AH forum in many a year.

I think you are overthinking this and you appear to be displaying your anger on to people like me.

I really don't care what you think. I have a special needs child in my family and the last place to take him would be to a rainforest in deepest Malaysia or similar Sorry now.

Do you have special needs children in your family circle? Where would they take them on holidays? f

Spon Farmer

Mam of 4 wrote: »

I know it's how you feel and you're entitled to feel however you choose .
The flip side of it all is , that special needs or not , we can't keep any child wrapped up in bubble wrap , we need to let them live as normal a life as possible , whether that's going to a rainforest , jungle or wherever .
I'm sure her parents didn't just book that holiday on a whim , they must have been informed enough to think that it was a suitable holiday destination .

Sorry for the long post folks

Like others have said he is best ignored. He is clearly desperate for attention and the fact that he says he will only behave decently because of moderators tells us all we need to know about the mentality.

splinter65

I’ll probably get banned for this but I don’t care.
Few of us can stand in Nora’s mothers shoes. Few of us would be able for it. It takes a certain backbone to be the mother of a disabled child.
Eviltwin is a poster here and there are others who stand in those shoes.
The growing realization that your child is not developing like he or she should. The GP scratching her head. The endless tests. Waiting. Waiting. Referrals to specialists in 6 months time. Then, the final diagnosis. The grief of losing a future that will now be very different.
The endless hospital appointments the unkind comments from other children and sometimes adults.
The slack jawed stares in the supermarket. The frustration and the exhaustion.
What you can do, if you have the means, is go on a really exotic holiday. Somewhere different. Somewhere memorable. For everyone.
Oh you could leave Nora at home and of course she’d probably be happy in respite care.
And you’d be entitled to a break if you were minding her all the time for 52 weeks a year for 15 years.
But no. Nora’s parents wanted Nora to enjoy the jungle holiday too.
And they’d miss Nora too much anyway.
So off they go and plunge into this dystopian nightmare.
For the vast majority of onlookers this provokes an avalanche of sympathy.
Most of are overcome with pity in particular for her mother.
The pain.
The terror.
The nightmarish thoughts that taunt you every time you stop moving so you keep moving until you collapse.
Night turns into day turns into night again and on and on.
People donate money and offer prayers and sympathy.
You’d think that everyone could empathize, but you’d be wrong.
See this poster “Spanish eyes”.
Now Spanish eyes has been hovering around for a few days waiting for her chance. Spanish eyes LOVES to torture the parents of children who went missing on holidays.
Yesterday, she tried to turn this thread into a thread about the mother of another child who went missing 12 years ago.
She slunk away when some of us objected but she really can’t control herself. The venom is just gushing out of her. So she’s back tonight to start her campaign against Nora’s mother.
It takes a certain level of c**tishness to be as determined to judge as this but she has it.
I’d imagine this will be deleted and I’ll be banned. It was worth it though.

anewme

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

You make extraordinary claims, you must live with the consequences of those claims.
Speaking as the voice of the missing child was probably one of the lowest points i've seen in this or AH forum in many a year.

I think you are overthinking this and you appear to be displaying your anger on to people like me.

I really don't care what you think. I have a special needs child in my family and the last place to take him would be to a rainforest in deepest Malaysia or similar Sorry now.

Do you have special needs children in your family circle? Where would they take them on holidays? f

This has nothing to do with you or your family so stop trying to make it about you.

Spanish Eyes

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Like others have said he is best ignored. He is clearly desperate for attention and the fact that he says he will only behave decently because of moderators tells us all we need to know about the mentality.

Mods will decide. We are all entitled to our opinions here provided they are are civil.

iamwhoiam

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

. I have a special needs child in my family and the last place to take him would be to a rainforest in deepest Malaysia or similar Sorry now.

ys? f

What has your family member got to do with Nora ? What have your decision got to do with anything ? You should know that no two children have the same needs . You should know that your family member is unique as is Nora . You should know that the last thing a family caring for a child like Nora is others pointing and judging them
Shame on you
.

Spon Farmer

Spon Farmer wrote: »

I heard in the past of police being accused of not doing enough because they are protecting a countries tourist image but is that something that really happens?

IMOHO, it appears to be the "default" position for some countries when something of an international incidence arises.

I was going to post more, but don't think it's appropriate right now- it's a discussion for another day.

I just hope the girl is found well and that the Malaysian police and volunteers and politicians do all they can do to find her.

retro:electro

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why are you being so obtuse? I merely made a comment that going to the jungle/rain forest in Malaysia may not have been the best choice for a child who has special needs.

There are many other options out there. But I am just making a point for the child as she is right now.

I really am loathe to give you the attention to you so clearly crave but for Jesus sake, for once in your life can you refrain from hijacking a thread with your nonsense spam. It really is just rinse and repeat with you isn’t it? You’re like a predator who hunts out the most emotive of threads and repeats herself ad nauseam like we didn’t hear you the first time and decide your posts are full of **** worthy of ignoring.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

It takes a certain level of c**tishness to be as determined to judge as this but she has it.
I’d imagine this will be deleted and I’ll be banned. It was worth it though.

Well they can ban me too.

Not a mod in sight on this forum in nearly 2 hours.

iamwhoiam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well they can ban me too.

Not a mod in sight on this forum in nearly 2 hours.

And me

Spanish Eyes

When you cannot debate or rebut, well go for the person you cannot debate with or have a rebuttal with.

And denigrate them and total them. Or try to!

Who cares. The immediate thing is finding the child. But no one seems to understand that that is receding now.

But who knows?

Hopefully the girl will be found. Isn't that what we would all hope for our kids.

Spon Farmer

N365 wrote: »

I agree that the wording is strange and confusing. I’m not sure how well the family are handling the media either. They have made only one appearance which was six days after Nora’s disappearance. .

Don't police in all countries control (or at least advise) when family of victims speak to the media?

My initial thought was that if the police do not understand Nora's condition they would assume she was capable of wandering off or behaving like any other 15 year old. What is Malasysia like in regards to these issues?

Add to that the fact that there was evidence in the room to support the idea of an abduction. Maybe they genuinely believed the only answer was she walked into the jungle herself. They've sure checked the entire resort complex too.

Now it is obvious she isn't in there and no doubt their superiors are putting on pressure on them. If a criminal element is involved then the best chance of getting Nora back is offering someone a massive pay day.

Spanish Eyes

Well I suppose with all the reports tomorrow, you will be glad to know I will probably be banned.

Must have one voice, no divergence, no discussion, no nothing. Echo chamber is right.

retro:electro

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

When you cannot debate or rebut, well go for the person you cannot debate with or have a rebuttal with.

And denigrate them and total them. Or try to!

Who cares. The immediate thing is finding the child. But no one seems to understand that that is receding now.

But who knows?

Hopefully the girl will be found. Isn't that what we would all hope for our kids.

That’s ironic when you’ve been playing the man and not the ball since the thread began. You’ve a venomous dedication to shame the parents for having the audacity to treat their gorgeous daughter the same as their other children and bring her on a family holiday. Your playing the victim and acting hard done by doesn’t wash with me.

spurious

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well I suppose with all the reports tomorrow, you will be glad to know I will probably be banned.

Must have one voice, no divergence, no discussion, no nothing. Echo chamber is right.

Or common decency.

Spon Farmer

splinter65 wrote: »

It takes a certain level of c**tishness to be as determined to judge as this but she has it.
I’d imagine this will be deleted and I’ll be banned. It was worth it though.

If that post got deleted or you got banned then they admin may as well shut down the entire board because you speak nothing but the truth.

dark crystal

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What has your family member got to do with Nora ? What have your decision got to do with anything ? You should know that no two children have the same needs . You should know that your family member is unique as is Nora . You should know that the last thing a family caring for a child like Nora is others pointing and judging them
Shame on you
.

Certain posters have form for this kind of thing and get off on the attention. Give them oxygen and they thrive. Certain posters manipulate things to make them seem like the victim of the thread and work the forum rules so that those who get caught up in admonishing them get banned, while they continue to post whatever poison they feel the need to release to feel better about themselves.

Honestly, it's a tried and trusted formula for certain posters. The 'just saying it like it is' soon turns into the 'woe is me' act and finally the 'bullying' accusations begin. Seriously, ignore every word and don't get manipulated into playing their game.

This is about Nora and her family, don't let certain posters hijack their plight.

dark crystal

dark crystal wrote: »

This is about Nora and her family, don't let certain posters hijack their plight.

Obviously this evening, there's no mod's on duty so report post function has failed us. it's a pity but in fairness to all posters this evening, they've been very patient and measured in their responses.

khalessi

I find it strange that she was bare footed, in pjs, unable to balance properly according to some reports and her scent stopped a hundred metres from the house.

Just hope she is found

Spanish Eyes

Best thing is to close the thread so.

But no, it is open for everyone, Mods will decide and I will accept their view. Never had a problem with that.

dark crystal

Deleted User wrote: »

Obviously this evening, there's no mod's on duty so report post function has failed us. it's a pity but in fairness to all posters this evening, they've been very patient and measured in their responses.

I have deliberately not responded directly to a certain poster and will not. Been burned before.

If everyone did the same, there'd be no need to report any posts and they might go away like a bad fart in the wind...

dark crystal

khalessi wrote: »

I find it strange that she was bare footed, in pjs, unable to balance properly according to some reports and her scent stopped a hundred metres from the house.

Just hope she is found

She wasn't even wearing PJs as far as I'm aware, just her underwear.

Like others have said, it was her first night there, surely no one would have been watching for such a short time? It's just horribly bizarre.

dark crystal

dark crystal wrote: »

I have deliberately not responded directly to a certain poster and will not. Been burned before.

If everyone did the same, there'd be no need to report any posts and they might go away like a bad fart in the wind...

Well, I think we did damned well this evening, holding our composure, despite the smell.

the_pen_turner

none of us know nora (presumably). so none of us know the reasons why they went there or if it is suitable or not. its easy afterwards to say that someone shouldnt have went somewhere.
she might love the jungle and animals and might give her great joy

a distant relative of mine through marrage looks after his nephew during the day. the nephew has some learning disabilities , i dont know him bit i think his mental age is the problem. the uncle has a smalll physical disability himself so cannot work . he drives his nephew around 3-4 times a week to look at tracters and machinery. the uncle sits and reads the paper and listen to the radio (which he would do at home anyway)while the nephew watchs the comings and gowings. he says that the smile it brings to his face is worth every penny and the hours parked in fields.
if something happened i sure loads of people would blame the uncle for bringing him near (hundreds of feet away) machinery and say how stupid he was