Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

mickdw

FG are seriously misjudging this situation.
It's one thing for car Insurance policies to be going up 5 percent or some such but when you have good business being put to the wall due to insurance increases, you have a real problem.
These businesses range from leisure centres, to pubs to child minders. This is a problem that needs to b e addressed from the top. When you have a government that is happy to stand by and watch it's own members attempt to fill their pockets, well there is just no hope.
This government must go as soon as possible. It must be said, FF are standing by and remaining in full support of the government so they are worse really.
I don't buy all this - no election due to brexit. The UK don't seem to have that opinion.

Auguste Comte

Muahahaha wrote: »

This chaps insurance went from €593 to €1,413 in the space of a year, unbelievable. And what was it Alan Farrell won, €2,000?

Indeed, Farrell's victim was also left with a 5 figure legal bill.

I really wonder what the ordinary Joe/Jane sope members of FG make of the way this is being handled.
At this stage it's less about that actions of Farrell and Bailey no matter how reprehensible but the party's leaderships willingness to accept it.

Why would ordinary members be willing to go knocking on doors knowing that they will somehow have to defend these two and justify their acceptance in the party?

happyoutscan

Farrell is the lowest of the low. Absolute dirt of a person.

Loafing Oaf

mickdw wrote: »

This government must go as soon as possible. It must be said, FF are standing by and remaining in full support of the government so they are worse really.

This is why FG feel they can get away with this carry on. Where is the better option for small businesses?

WishUWereHere

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I wonder is false foto Farrell going to be dealt with? after all he done exactly what Bailey attempted, ie. dodgy claim, but went all the way only to be found out in court.

Just in case anyone forgot what AF did:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4208026/alan-farrell-football-match-crash-compo-claim/

Pintman Paddy Losty

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

Kivaro

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

Many, many, of us will make sure that this is not the case ...........

Plumbthedepths

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote:

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

I seem to remember you claiming it was only a couple of crank on here that had an interest in the matter. Yet the media is keeping this one going including RTE.

WishUWereHere

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

Hate to burst your bubble PPL, but as far as I am concerned, this will NEVER be forgotten, at least not until LV and FG take APPROPRIATE action,

McMurphy

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

Paddy your stupidity is betraying you, either that, or else you're merely inadvertently revealing yourself as the WUM most of us already know you to be, old hand.

Any true FGer would be wanting this out in the open, and Maria and Josepha (and also Alan Farrell for good measure) world of deceit and lies - warts and all exposed for all to see, and removed from the party asap, as a true sign of a party who wouldn't tolerate such skullduggery, and the knock on effect it has on small businesses, and ordinary people who face extraordinary premium's.

You and your other ⅔ of the 3 man act, are quite stale at this stage.





Moving on, Mick Clifford has a great insight into the shenanigans that went on here, nails Madigans involvement in it.

Make a coffee and enjoy.


How do you hide a problem like Maria?

The car crash interview gave the story legs. Enter Josepha Madigan, solicitor and current Minister for Culture, Heritage, and the Gaeltacht. Her firm represented Ms Bailey in the action. Ms Madigan has stepped back from the day-to-day involvement since November 2017 when she was appointed minister. The Bailey case was initiated prior to that date.

The minister would undoubtedly have come under intense focus in the days after the car crash. So quite obviously the spinmeisters thought it best to shovel the whole thing into an inquiry many miles from daily headlines and D attacks. Senior counsel David Kennedy was appointed to “establish all the facts”.

His report is now being finalised. Does it have anything to say about Josepha’s role — if any — in the tale of Maria? If so, would that be embarrassing to the Government at a time when it appears to be losing political momentum?

We don’t know if Maria consulted Josepha about her pain and suffering after the swing fall. If so, solicitor-client confidentiality applies, but if both politicians decided that confidence in their chosen trade demanded answers it would be perfectly open to them to waive confidentiality.

If Josepha had a role in Maria pursuing her claim does it reflect on the approach of solicitors in general to any kind of a personal injury claim? Is such an approach a key element of the culture that the Government claims to be tackling? The legal business is only one part of the problem of spiralling premiums — the insurance industry has plenty of questions to answer also — but the sector is certainly a source of easy and inflated fees.

RustyNut

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

I think you misspelled the party to attempt to cover up as much as possible. there Paddy.

RustyNut

I wonder would this chancer be one of Leo's team?

From today's Indo.

The Wright Venue opened in the height of the recession and it was announced earlier this year that it would no longer trade as a club.

A major factor in the decision by CEO Michael Wright to shut down the venue was insurance costs.

The premium was a hefty six-figure sum and this week, the club was in the Circuit Civil Court defending a compensation claim after a customer broke her ankle in the bathroom a number of years ago.

Speaking to Independent.ie about the case, Chief Operations Officer of Michael Wright Hospitality Group, Ewan McDonald, said they are determined to tackle Ireland's 'compo culture'.

"We weren’t negligent in any way. It’s a shame she broke her ankle and we wouldn’t wish that on any of our patrons, but accidents happen and they always happen, but that doesn't mean it's always the licensee's fault," he said.

"She claimed the floor was wet but three or four people walked past her and there were witnesses to say the floor wasn't wet.

"We had excellent CCTV, all our cleaning sheets and a toilet attendant there when it happened so we were lucky we had all our ducks in a row. She was wearing high heels and simply fell."

The woman's claim was dismissed in court on Monday and costs awarded against her.

Auguste Comte

WishUWereHere wrote: »

Hate to burst your bubble PPL, but as far as I am concerned, this will NEVER be forgotten, at least not until LV and FG take APPROPRIATE action,

I think we have already seen that Leo and FG are only willing to take action that benefits Leo and FG. It's up to the voters to take the appropriate action at the next GE and show them the error of their ways.

Moleskin

If action is taken against MB she could sue for constructive dismissal.

She will say she has done nothing wrong and if she is dismissed then so should the thousands of other people who have put in dubious claims over the years.

She wont be re elected though, she will be laughed off the doorstep by most people and most people go through their lives without making any sort of claims. The tiny minority of people who have brassnecks will continue to support her but within that group there will be a lot of people furious with her because she has done the State a huge service by drawing public attention to the ridiculous claim culture in this country.

I dont believe there is any real will to change things, too many fat cats feeding off the payments and they wont see this easy income dry up without a battle. Its the insurance companies and their willingness to invest in anti fraud measures that has led to cases being won against fraudsters and not any action the Government has taken on this matter. Setting up an anti fraud unit within the Garda Siochana would have been a very effective measure so why hasnt this happened, no real political will to make change and ruffle the pals in the legal profession may be one of the reasons.

Plumbthedepths

Moleskin wrote:

If action is taken against MB she could sue for constructive dismissal.

Constructive dismissal from what? The party whip can be removed for bringing the party into disrepute. That is the only sanction that can be imposed on her.

Moleskin

She will say she didnt bring the party into disrepute.

Sean, Sean, Sean, I was injured, the seat was polished wood, I fell off. I consulted my legal advisers and they said I had a case.

A few thousand people have succeeded in bringing cases like this, some more than once and they were paid off and doubt if any lost their jobs over it.

If no action has been taken up to this then its unlikely any will be taken now. I think her career in politics in finished but thats because of that car crash interview with Sean O Rourke and not because of the claim. If she had kept her mouth shut this would have all been forgotten about by now.

JohnnyFlash

Kivaro wrote: »

Many, many, of us will make sure that this is not the case ...........

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

This isn’t going to cause the government to fall; this isn’t symptomatic of some fundamental character flaw in FG members and supporters, and this isn’t the start of some uprising which will lead to the end of the FG/FF pattern of government.

Dry your eyes, lads.

Moleskin

The polished wood bit was hilarious, if there were splinters in the wood would that be a case for compensation for an ass full of splinters.

What about if there was a random nail that tore a tight. Surely making sure the wood was polished was a brownie point for the hotel.

Plumbthedepths

JohnnyFlash wrote:

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

The lady protests too much, springs to mind. Poor Leo couldn't even open Centre Parcs venture in Longford without being questioned about Bailey. How many weeks after the story broke is this going on now.
The government is gone by the end of the year. As long as insurance makes headlines FG will be linked to fraudulent case's. Keep up the good fight, ;-)

Auguste Comte

Moleskin wrote: »

If action is taken against MB she could sue for constructive dismissal.

She can't be dismissed from her job as a td. She can however be binned from the FG party and even if she is threatening to make another dubious claim do you not think that Leo/FG should do the right thing and then defend the case just like the hotel that she attempted take money off?

Moleskin

I cant imagine what the insurance bill for Center Parcs will be like.

Im presuming the company will have built their likely big legal costs into the ticket price.

Really cant imagine this project will be a long term success but good luck to the investers.

Hopefully they dont have many swings.

ChikiChiki

Moleskin wrote: »

If action is taken against MB she could sue for constructive dismissal.

She will say she has done nothing wrong and if she is dismissed then so should the thousands of other people who have put in dubious claims over the years.

She wont be re elected though, she will be laughed off the doorstep by most people and most people go through their lives without making any sort of claims. The tiny minority of people who have brassnecks will continue to support her but within that group there will be a lot of people furious with her because she has done the State a huge service by drawing public attention to the ridiculous claim culture in this country.

I dont believe there is any real will to change things, too many fat cats feeding off the payments and they wont see this easy income dry up without a battle. Its the insurance companies and their willingness to invest in anti fraud measures that has led to cases being won against fraudsters and not any action the Government has taken on this matter. Setting up an anti fraud unit within the Garda Siochana would have been a very effective measure so why hasnt this happened, no real political will to make change and ruffle the pals in the legal profession may be one of the reasons.

MB is not an employee of FG. She is merely a member. If they ostracize her from the party she will still remain a TD unless she shows some remorse and integrity by resigning. Thats not going to happen.

Auguste Comte

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

This isn’t going to cause the government to fall; this isn’t symptomatic of some fundamental character flaw in FG members and supporters, and this isn’t the start of some uprising which will lead to the end of the FG/FF pattern of government.

Dry your eyes, lads.

There's that FG arrogance again.

If you think people will overlook this then you have lost the plot.

FG the Fraud and Greed party will take a right drubbing in the next election no matter what the party Über alles propagandists might say.

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

This isn’t going to cause the government to fall; this isn’t symptomatic of some fundamental character flaw in FG members and supporters, and this isn’t the start of some uprising which will lead to the end of the FG/FF pattern of government.

Dry your eyes, lads.

Spinmaster Flash with another tone-deaf contribution. You're a one man band raving into oblivion.

McMurphy

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

Again with the potshots at posters, nothing about the story being discussed.....

The govt is going "to fall" later in less than a year regardless, as a man who apparently likes to gamble, that's a sure thing, and you should know that.

This isn't about wanting a govt to fall, no sirree, not at all, the longer they stay in situ with controversies such as insurance fraud, bullying allegations and now racism mixed in, the better.

The next few general elections will be fun for them though.

This isn’t going to cause the government to fall; this isn’t symptomatic of some fundamental character flaw in FG members and supporters, and this isn’t the start of some uprising which will lead to the end of the FG/FF pattern of government.

Dry your eyes, lads.

Course it isnt....

It's just a coincidence, three that we know of, right up to ministerial level.

ChikiChiki

Auguste Comte wrote: »

There's that FG arrogance again.

If you think people will overlook this then you have lost the plot.

FG the Fraud and Greed party will take a right drubbing in the next election no matter what the party Über alles propagandists might say.

I'm fairly sure JF and PPL are the same posters from their style and timings....

Pinch of salt comes to mind.

McMurphy

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm fairly sure JF and PPL are the same posters from their style and timings....

Pinch of salt comes to mind.

Na, that is just the strategy - there's been a few others that have come and gone over the years too, same posting style, same virtual high fives and back patting.

Don't get sucked in.

mikhail

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

This isn’t going to cause the government to fall; this isn’t symptomatic of some fundamental character flaw in FG members and supporters, and this isn’t the start of some uprising which will lead to the end of the FG/FF pattern of government.

Dry your eyes, lads.

Arrogant dismissal of valid concerns, petty name calling, straw man arguments ... have you considered running for office?

EmmetSpiceland

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

This isn’t going to cause the government to fall; this isn’t symptomatic of some fundamental character flaw in FG members and supporters, and this isn’t the start of some uprising which will lead to the end of the FG/FF pattern of government.

Dry your eyes, lads.

That’s it, J. You can almost smell the fear of the thread hasn’t been “bumped” with some repetitive nonsense within the hour.

Desperately trying to keep the story in the “public consciousness” for fear it will just fade away, not really taking into account that after it bored to tears the good people of AH it was moved into the “outrage” forum. I’m sure they well believe that they are good little “soldiers” doing their duty but it’s getting more than a little sad at this stage.

Still, leave them at it. They’ve gone and built themselves a nice little “echo chamber” in here where it’s not really bothering those outside it.

Plumbthedepths

EmmetSpiceland wrote:

Desperately trying to keep the story in the “public consciousnessâ€

The Indo , the Times and RTE are doing a good job as it is. ;-)