Huawei banned in US

listermint

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think he's doing a great job for Americans. Don't like he's a bit biased with his iPhone though. Let's see what China do to Apple.

So you just ignored everything I said . He's a walking talking trope of lobbying power . Anyone can buy the man.

listermint

stefanovich wrote: »

Does Israel have a right to protect itself or not? If someone attacks you and you defend yourself, are you the scumbag?

I presume what he is trying to say is that a nation whose people suffered incredible amounts of hardship less than 80 years ago . People will struggle to understand how they can carry out similar acts on a neighbouring people in the name of protection.

It's really a perplexing thing to be frank and is a reflection in state policy and not all of its inhabitants.

I'm sure you would agree a different approach should be the option after 50 years of this crap. It's not working. A different approach was done in our island and people can now actually live

drunkmonkey

He's great value for money. Nobody else can get the lefty's knickers in a twist like him.

listermint

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's great value for money. Nobody else can get the lefty's knickers in a twist like him.

Ah got it , transparent.

There you have it folks. A serious poster for a serious discussion.

chrismon

It's scary the power that the US has, the can decide who can sell smartphones.
Be interesting to see if it's a Huawei issue or a China issue America has, if it's a China issue it could end cheaper phones like Xaimai in Europe / US.

MaceFace

Firstly, I am the furthest thing from a Trump supporter. However, I actually am somewhat sympathetic with what the American's have done here.
There was an episode of The Daily Podcast by the NY Times last week discussing the ongoing problems with China.

Specifically with technology, China requires any technology business doing business in their country to share the technology they are using (example). This means that there is practically no such thing as IP protection. China simply steals the IP and use in their own solutions.

The only recourse available to nations is the WTO but it is ineffectual.

drunkmonkey

Shows how not incontrol of its business Google is. Wonder how the markets will react today.

listermint

MaceFace wrote: »

Firstly, I am the furthest thing from a Trump supporter. However, I actually am somewhat sympathetic with what the American's have done here.
There was an episode of The Daily Podcast by the NY Times last week discussing the ongoing problems with China.

Specifically with technology, China requires any technology business doing business in their country to share the technology they are using (example). This means that there is practically no such thing as IP protection. China simply steals the IP and use in their own solutions.

The only recourse available to nations is the WTO but it is ineffectual.

Hundred percent agree


But here's the difference. Obama would have done this through concensus with European nations and it would have more clout and a deal would have been reached relatively quickly. But what we have here is a ratcheting of tensions by a man who doesn't know how to spell concensus .

All we will get from this is fallout.

But yes the Chinese have been taking the Mick for some time. Addressing it this way was frankly idiotic

OldMrBrennan83

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Shows how not incontrol of its business Google is. Wonder how the markets will react today.

What? That's laughable seeing as this is simply because they're a US company. Intel, Qualcomm, Microsoft, etc will all be following suit, because they're US and they have to.


https://twitter.com/AndroidAuth/status/1130355403357925378

IAmTheReign

Let me get this straight. The US government, who are currently in the middle of a court battle to force Apple to rewrite their software to allow a government backdoor into their iphones, on the advice of the NSA, who openly tried to get phone manufacturers to adpopt chipsets with government backdoors in them 26 years ago, have accused Huawei of using their tech to spy?

If anyone thinks the US government doesn't already have the capability of doing exactly what they're accusing Huawei of they're deluded. This is a power play plain and simple and I would expect China to retaliate in kind.

drunkmonkey

Is the thread title not wrong, this is a global ban imposed by American.

lawred2

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is the thread title not wrong, this is a global ban imposed by American.

A global ban?

MaceFace

listermint wrote: »

Hundred percent agree


But here's the difference. Obama would have done this through concensus with European nations and it would have more clout and a deal would have been reached relatively quickly. But what we have here is a ratcheting of tensions by a man who doesn't know how to spell concensus .

All we will get from this is fallout.

But yes the Chinese have been taking the Mick for some time. Addressing it this way was frankly idiotic

The legal recourse is the WTO which China has been a member since 2001. No American president has managed to change China's behaviour.
What is the alternative? The UK are quite happy to ignore it because they have bigger problems. The EU/world taking on China would likely lead to another recession, something few countries are in a position to weather.

Trump has gone in all heavy handed, acting tough and maybe he will get something others have failed to do?

zep

lawred2 wrote: »

A global ban?

Yes global, No android updates for Huawei worldwide. Any current phones will work on their current software versions, apps etc can be updated but there will be no updates to the Android OS, security or otherwise.
It's not just Google affected now, Intel, Qualcomm & others are all in the same boat, no dealing with Huawei allowed under US law.

Cienciano

Sir Oxman wrote: »

From the BBC report linked:


"New designs of Huawei smartphones are set to lose access to some Google apps."


"Existing Huawei smartphone users will be able to update apps and push through security fixes, as well as update Google Play services. But when Google launches the next version of Android later this year, it may not be available on Huawei devices.
Future Huawei devices may no longer have apps such as YouTube and Maps."

Going to be a lot of pressing " update later "

zep

Cienciano wrote: »

Going to be a lot of pressing " update later "

Not necessary for apps, update away. Google apps may be blacklisted against phone models so you just won't see any available updates.

stefanovich

listermint wrote: »

I presume what he is trying to say is that a nation whose people suffered incredible amounts of hardship less than 80 years ago . People will struggle to understand how they can carry out similar acts on a neighbouring people in the name of protection.

If you look at the actual history you will see that Israel is the victim here. They never initiate any violence, only respond to it. Hamas, an internationally recognised terrorist organisation whose written policy is the destruction of the state of Israel are the aggressors here. As are the majority of their muslim majority neighbours.

Israel has a right to defend itself from neighbours who, quite frankly, want to wipe out the jews in the middle east.

stefanovich

As for Huawei, glad they are banned. Good to see someone standing up to globalism and exploitation.

OldMrBrennan83

stefanovich wrote: »

As for Huawei, glad they are banned. Good to see someone standing up to globalism and exploitation.

Who's standing up to the US then?

The high horse brigade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

long_b

I don't get it.

A few months ago Trump did a massive u-turn on similar craic with ZTE when the Chinese complained about job losses and possible recession.

And now he forces this?

The high horse brigade

stefanovich wrote: »

As for Huawei, glad they are banned. Good to see someone standing up to globalism and exploitation.

Yay, go good guys!

thesandeman

On a positive note, HuTube might have less ads.

Mr E

Doesn't affect existing devices, only new ones. That should carry through to returns?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-services-to-continue-working-on-existing-huawei-android-devices/

Hurrache

Mr E wrote: »

Doesn't affect existing devices, only new ones. That should carry through to returns?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-services-to-continue-working-on-existing-huawei-android-devices/

I don't think anything is certain at this stage really. Reports like that, does that mean for example their existing devices will get app updates via the Play store indefinitely, will users be able to continue to use One Drive indefinitely from their Huawei devices and so on.

SK1979

Presumably this goes much wider than just Google though. Surely Microsoft are under the same obligation to cut ties, so does that mean that Windows wont be updated on Huawei devices?

This will undoubtedly hurt Huawei a lot in the short-term but you'd have to think that long-term the damage could reverse onto the US companies. I'd imagine its likely to force Chinese tech companies into creating their own OS / Software Services and thereby "copying" a lot of whats already been done by Google et al.

Seems like a big-footed move by Trump.

OldMrBrennan83

SK1979 wrote: »

Presumably this goes much wider than just Google though. Surely Microsoft are under the same obligation to cut ties, so does that mean that Windows wont be updated on Huawei devices?

This will undoubtedly hurt Huawei a lot in the short-term but you'd have to think that long-term the damage could reverse onto the US companies. I'd imagine its likely to force Chinese tech companies into creating their own OS / Software Services and thereby "copying" a lot of whats already been done by Google et al.

Seems like a big-footed move by Trump.

Microsoft will be following suit. Intel, Qualcomm, and Broadcom have announced they also are.

Mantis Toboggan

You'd have to feel sorry for anyone who bought a huawei phone, surely they'll be offering refunds?

OldMrBrennan83

Nothing all that clear yet.


https://twitter.com/alexdobie/status/1130372601535242240


https://twitter.com/alexdobie/status/1130372603036803072

Anteayer

It's a potentially HUGE issue for telcos, including Eir. The Huawei VDSL gear they use for FTTC (up to 100mbit/s broadband) uses Broadcom chipsets. So it's quite possible they won't be upgradable as Huawei won't be able to buy them.

The same issue would apply to BT, Deutsche Telekom and quite a few others.