Who is the worst serial killer

endofrainbow

David Berkowitz - Son of Sam.

Gimme A Pound

ArchXStanton wrote: »

"By the time of the trial, Ramirez had fans who were writing him letters and paying him visits.[103] Beginning in 1985, Doreen Lioy[104] wrote him nearly 75 letters during his incarceration. In 1988, he proposed to her, and on October 3, 1996, they were married"

It often happens. Infuriating.

Wibbs wrote: »

I recall reading somewhere that around 80% of the known serial killers in the last hundred years have been American.

And maybe I'm wrong but they seem to be mostly California based.

Paddy Cow

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

A bite mark was crucial to Bundy being convicted too. He bit one of his victims on the bum quite deeply and a forensic dentist was able to prove that that bite pattern matched Bundy’s teeth.

People always refer to Bundy as handsome. Much like I say Obama was handsome for a politician but in reality was fairly average-looking, so too I think Bundy was merely handsome as serial killers go. But I think how he looked worked with his strategy. He often posed as law enforcement workers or feigned injury so that he could ask young women to help him bring stuff to his car. He was normal-looking and a bit above averagely good-looking whereas most serial killers seem to look a bit haunted and/or unkempt. He looked like your neighbour or uncle. And he exploited this to gain trust. Creepy fücko.

Ted was no uggo but you're right, he wasn't super handsome. What he was though is charismatic and that increases a persons attractiveness, especially for men. A charismatic person makes people feel good about themselves and they fell safe around the person. They want to spend more time with them and are attracted to them. They can confuse their attraction to the person, with the person being physically attractive.

That's what makes charismatic people so dangerous. You'd run a mile from an average looking person who is socially awkward and comes across as a weirdo but you might be drawn into an average looking charismatic person who is fun to be around. They're still a weirdo, they just hide it better.

Cazale

There was a thread on reddit the other day about the large amount of serial killers in the US in the 70s and 80s being a result of soldiers coming home from World War II with PTSD and that being reflected in the next generation.

RobbingBandit

retro:electro wrote: »

Robert Underdunk Terwilliger Jr

He could never quite manage it could he

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sideshow Bob

RobbingBandit

That ****ing Lannister cousin Orson that did in all the beetles, Smash The beetles smash em, I'd say he murderised a few people.

Sin City

retro:electro wrote: »

Robert Underdunk Terwilliger Jr

He could never quite manage it could he

Funnily enough Kelsey Grammer who plays sideshow bob his sister was murdered by serial killer Freddie Glenn

Trump Is Right

Not sure if he's already been mentioned, but David Parker Ray (AKA 'The Toy Box Killer') has got to be up there on any list of the creepiest and most sadistic...

I made the mistake of listening to the tape he supposedly played to his prisoners/victims... not something you forget once you've heard it.

He's suspected of killing as many as 60 people. But never proven.

h t t p s : //en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/David_Parker_Ray

(Warning: very creepy)

h t t p s / w w w(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=gV8EPMeu1X8

moonage

Al Bundy

touts

Karl Marx. Take him out and there is no Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Family and Hitler (yes Hitler, socialists don't like talking about their estranged brothers National Socialists).

On an individual level probably Joseph Mengele

Thepillowman

Dennis Neilson and Ed Gein who was the influence for Hitchcocks physco if I remember correctly.

PingTing comes for Fire

endofrainbow wrote: »

David Berkowitz - Son of Sam.

It can't all be blamed on the parents.

Ush1

Thepillowman wrote: »

Dennis Neilson and Ed Gein who was the influence for Hitchcocks physco if I remember correctly.

Ed Gein was, Nilson hadn't commited his crimes when Psycho was released.

Gein was also loosely the inspiration for Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Silence Of The Lambs.

Paddy Cow

Cazale wrote: »

There was a thread on reddit the other day about the large amount of serial killers in the US in the 70s and 80s being a result of soldiers coming home from World War II with PTSD and that being reflected in the next generation.

Not buying it. If that was the case, Europe would have been a psycho serial killer blood bath after WWII. Andrei Chikatilo is the exception, not the norm.
It's nothing to do with veterans suffering PTSD in the 80's and passing this onto their children. Back then it was much easier to get away with crimes. No DNA. Little to no forensics. No computers so police departments couldn't communicate between each other, unlike today. I may be wrong, but I don't recall any serial killer from that era claiming PTSD or kids from veterans claiming that.

In modern America, it's not serial killers that are scary but school shooters. Scary world to live in when your children have to walk through a metal detector to feel safe.

pavb2

Jack the Ripper was quite prolific and its an interesting thought that in today's age of technology would he and others from earlier years like the Yorkshire Ripper have been caught or caught sooner?

One common theme in the hunt for the perpetrators seems to be the incompetence or mistakes made by the police

Love2love

Albert fish...definitely. From prison he wrote to his child victim's mother with explicit details of how he tortured and murdered her... sicko!

The Vienna woods killer although certainly not the most depraved always stood out in my mind. Murdering woman and then investigating and reporting on them.

PingTing comes for Fire

Serial killer Ed Kemper during police interrogation commenting on how he felt if he saw a good looking girl -

"One side of me says, 'I'd like to talk to her and date her.' The other side says, 'I wonder what her head would look like on a stick?"

Thepillowman

Ush1 wrote: »

Ed Gein was, Nilson hadn't commited his crimes when Psycho was released.

Gein was also loosely the inspiration for Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Silence Of The Lambs.

I should have punctuated that better

RobbingBandit

moonage wrote: »

Al Bundy

His wife Peggy Wanker drove him to it

PingTing comes for Fire

pavb2 wrote: »

Jack the Ripper was quite prolific and its an interesting thought that in today's age of technology would he and others from earlier years like the Yorkshire Ripper have been caught or caught sooner?

One common theme in the hunt for the perpetrators seems to be the incompetence or mistakes made by the police

The Ripper - Charles Cross(Lechmere) - was found in the act of killing Polly Nichols but bluffed and lied his way passed police. Police incompetence in letting him through the net.

dark crystal

Will I Am Not wrote: »

This sick f*ck is right up there.

Peter Scully.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/6525841/peter-scully-worlds-worst-paedophile-jail-baby-rape-dig-graves-philippines/amp/

I really wish I hadn't read that.


Evil, sick bastard.

branie2

John Reginald Halliday Christie of 10 Rillington Place

Agent_47

Anders Breivik

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Disturbing to think he is still alive and still testing the legal system

RMAOK

Agent_47 wrote: »

Anders Breivik

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Disturbing to think he is still alive and still testing the legal system

He might only get 21 years or so inside under Norwegian law. :eek:

pavb2

PingTing comes for Fire wrote: »

The Ripper - Charles Cross(Lechmere) - was found in the act of killing Polly Nichols but bluffed and lied his way passed police. Police incompetence in letting him through the net.

I thought Jack the Ripper's identity was still unknown? There are quite a lot of theories about but how certain are they that it was Cross.

Ten of Swords

The most tragic case of police incompetence regarding a serial killer has to be without a doubt officer John Balcerzak.

It's hard to fathom how he did what he did. Look it up, it's unbelievable.

RollieFingers

dark crystal wrote: »

I really wish I hadn't read that.


Evil, sick bastard.

That may be the sickest thing I've ever read, dirty scumbag

Agent_47

RMAOK wrote: »

He might only get 21 years or so inside under Norwegian law. :eek:

That's the scary part. There should be no reprieve or release for him. He is simply too wacko to be let back anywhere near society.

Wibbs

Trump Is Right wrote: »

Sounds like you've planned this out pretty much to perfection... apart from the whole advertising it on the internet part!

That picture in your avatar... that's not Fr. Jack... that's actually a picture of you, isn't it!? :P

Fuck! I've been rumbled. *looks in TiR's window and thinks better of it. This time...*

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

A bite mark was crucial to Bundy being convicted too. He bit one of his victims on the bum quite deeply and a forensic dentist was able to prove that that bite pattern matched Bundy’s teeth.

Funny enough that evidence would be pretty much inadmissible today as it's been proven to be extremely bogus a diagnostic tool. Years back I read a book on him by a woman who is a writer of fiction(IIRC), but knew him quite well in college. At the time she thought he was a lovely guy and not dodgy at all. That's what freaked her out and fascinated her about him.

She noted some of his girlfriends, of which he had a lot, often at the same time, got weirded out, but most didn't. The last one, who he proposed marriage to in court(an oddball bylaw of the state made it legal) and who had known him for years and had gone out with him on and off was completely convinced of his innocence. In the last days before he was plugged into the national grid when he confessed looking to get a stay of execution, she seemed completely stunned by it. She cut all contact(which had been daily. She even worked a way to screw him in prison, on death row, and got up the duff and had his kid) and refused his last phonecall before he got fried*.

He must have been bloody charismatic, as he had a load of girlfriends and even the ones who didn't get the weird off of him, they all noticed he was permanently broke and except for his car, most of his high value items he had stolen.

She also noted that his defence team wanted to fight the bite mark evidence with expert witnesses who they were sure would blow it outa the water, but Bundy being a egotistical fantasist wanted his day in the spotlight as the lawyer his college reckoned he'd never be and represented himself and vetoed most of his defence's advice.

That's another reason why I'm against the death penalty as a general rule, Bundy could have gotten away with it, and more than once. The evidence against him was always slim and circumstantial and most was ruled inadmissible. He was scarily meticulous in his murder. He knew and had actually worked with and advised the police, even writing a police handout on how women should avoid rape("funny" it was apparently really good advice, well I suppose coming from an "expert" like him). So he knew how the police gathered evidence. He never left a fingerprint or hair sample or personal physical evidence in his crimes. Until his very last evil, when he murdered a 12 year old girl and left fibres in his truck.

But yeah he could have walked and a major help for him all the way through was he was a normal, average, young, college educated, charming and pleasant looking straight White bloke. Now I'm most certainly no "SJW" type, but if he had been a working class lad with a built in tan in America I'd bet the farm he'd not have gotten away with for so long. In the early days they pulled in loads of Black and Latino guys, even though the witnesses said he was a White lad.

The other reason I'm agin it is it's in cold blood. By the state. If tonight some skanger comes in my window intent on burglary and stabbing me with a screwdriver and I get Palaeolithic on his arse and beat him to death with a flint handaxe(don't ask, but yep they're among the few weapons I have....), chances are I'll walk free. Now if said skanger broke in and I ran away, but found out who he was and tracked him down and killed him a few months or years later, I'd go down for it. Premeditation is a big influence on the courts and rightly so. That a state reverses that and applies it to it's own citizens, often prejudicially, and has too many innocents being effectively murdered by the state(it's the very definition of unlawful killing), means though my blood says yes, the same blood that feeds my brain says no.



*Given the electric chair has regularly caused almost certainly intense pain and suffering and many of the condemned would burn, even start to smoke. He died too easy that prick. Only one jolt required(they often go for three to be sure) and he was out if it in seconds.

MonkieSocks

Edmund Kemper

At 6 feet 9 inches and with an IQ of 145, Edmund Kemper was an intimidating killer in every sense of the word.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/edmund-kemper