The horrific death of Ana Kriegel

brianblaze

Honestly I think the last few days news has rocked a lot of people. Terrifying to think the depths people can go to

Assetbacked

Suckit wrote: »

I am pretty sure that this death and most murders of innocent people have shook the nation. The fact that another tragedy was unfolding at the same time probably had people talking about that more.

If this was the result of one or more 13 year olds beating her, I hope the Justice system deals with them more severly than the UK dealt with Jon Venables and Robert Thompson.
I also have no doubt that when somebody is arrested, the public will show their feelings about it too.

+1

No free pass to attempt to have a new life for those found guilty here. They should live in fear of vigilante justice their entire lives.

billymitchell

Assetbacked wrote: »

Suckit wrote: »

I am pretty sure that this death and most murders of innocent people have shook the nation. The fact that another tragedy was unfolding at the same time probably had people talking about that more.

If this was the result of one or more 13 year olds beating her, I hope the Justice system deals with them more severly than the UK dealt with Jon Venables and Robert Thompson.
I also have no doubt that when somebody is arrested, the public will show their feelings about it too.

+1

No free pass to attempt to have a new life for those found guilty here. They should live in fear of vigilante justice their entire lives.

I would say the gardai will have their hands full trying to protect who ever it turns out to be, let alone if it turns out to be an underage boy. It will be some achievement to get the accused to trial unharmed.

Heres Johnny

2 names going around the local area tonight. I won't be posting names or any clues but it was going to be pretty obviously leaked, whoever wasn't in school today for any reason was going to be suspected anyway. Have to respect that they're minors and not proven guilty plus could be made up too.
I don't personally know either boy though.

Yakult

Suckit wrote: »

If this was the result of one or more 13 year olds beating her, I hope the Justice system deals with them more severly than the UK dealt with Jon Venables and Robert Thompson.
I also have no doubt that when somebody is arrested, the public will show their feelings about it too.

Hang the little ****s in public. They don't deserve anything less.

not yet

Yakult wrote: »

Hang the little ****s in public. They don't deserve anything less.

Wow,Wow...pull the handbrake up there Judge Yakult, Would you not like to find out if their guilty or not.

kingofclay

Seriously, there needs to be a proper punishment for this. You can't devalue human life and just put it down to them being 13 years old. 13 years old is an awkward age but you are becoming the person you will become at that age. Sure, a lot of teens go through awkward stages but most people are pretty much same as they were at 30 as they were at 13 in terms of base personality.

p1akuw47h5r3it

Hopefully it's a long time before Ireland has another week like this one, or preferably never has one like this again.

Ash.J.Williams

it certainly is a tricky one from a rehabilitation point of view. Will a teenager be a better person if he's punished as severely as he deserves to be? No he won't. in fact he'll come out the other end far worse more than likely. What's the priority rehab or punishment?

Wasnt' one of the James bulger killers an evil sociopath who did his time and now walks among us anonymously?
and the other the hapless tag along kid that cracked up over what they did and prision life and ended up a messed up jailbird?

Suckit

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Wasnt' one of the James bulger killers an evil sociopath who did his time and now walks among us anonymously?
and the other the hapless tag along kid that cracked up over what they did and prision life and ended up a messed up jailbird?

Pretty sure Jon Venables is back in Jail again. Don't know about Robert Thompson, but I don't believe he as done anything since. The Sun Scum rag had a field day that he was gay, but it went pretty much ignored.

Heres Johnny

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

it certainly is a tricky one from a rehabilitation point of view. Will a teenager be a better person if he's punished as severely as he deserves to be? No he won't. in fact he'll come out the other end far worse more than likely. What's the priority rehab or punishment?

Wasnt' one of the James bulger killers an evil sociopath who did his time and now walks among us anonymously?
and the other the hapless tag along kid that cracked up over what they did and prision life and ended up a messed up jailbird?

Robert Thompson has led quite a normal life since I believe and is in a homosexual relationship. Partner knows his true identity.
Jon venables was caught with child porn and sent back to jail. Bizzarely he is engaged to be married when he gets out, some penpal crazy woman that knows who is he is and what he did.

wakka12

I dont think somebody who rapes and beats another child to death and leaves them naked in a barn can ever be rehabilitated tbh no matter what age they are

Sleeper12

SEPT 23 1989 wrote:

I think if we all just thanked the first post with no speculation just to keep the thread open to show our solidarity with the family at this terrible time

Great idea. Unfortunately most didn't think so

Ragnar Lothbrok

An awful, savage and heartbreaking story. For a child's life to end this way is unbearably sad.

However, once again we have a story of terrible cruelty, and many of the posters here and elsewhere seem to get some sort of gratification in calling for equally barbaric treatment for the perpetrators.

Some of the comments I read make me feel a little uneasy - if a person suggests an equally barbaric form of punishment for an offender (regardless of how sickening the crime) then I would have to question the mind of the person who suggests such punishment.

I totally understand that tempers run high at such news - but wouldn't giving vile punishment to offenders make us as bad as them?

Ash.J.Williams

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Robert Thompson has led quite a normal life since I believe and is in a homosexual relationship. Partner knows his true identity.
Jon venables was caught with child porn and sent back to jail. Bizzarely he is engaged to be married when he gets out, some penpal crazy woman that knows who is he is and what he did.

exactly ...wasn't Thompson the ring leader? his conscience is clean as he is a sociopath, whilst tag along venebles has lost the plot entirely.

Heres Johnny

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

An awful, savage and heartbreaking story. For a child's life to end this way is unbearably sad.

However, once again we have a story of terrible cruelty, and many of the posters here and elsewhere seem to get some sort of gratification in calling for equally barbaric treatment for the perpetrators.

Some of the comments I read make me feel a little uneasy - if a person suggests an equally barbaric form of punishment for an offender (regardless of how sickening the crime) then I would have to question the mind of the person who suggests such punishment.

I totally understand that tempers run high at such news - but wouldn't giving vile punishment to offenders make us as bad as them?

It's only posters on an internet forum. Put them in a room with a rapist/murderer etc and most of them would do nothing, unless maybe a loved one was involved.
Putting someone in prison and never letting them out is a worse punishment than a hiding anyway, but I think the frustration stems from the fact there are very few true life sentences handed out, hence the fantasies of violence and cruel and unusual punishment to quote the americans.

Greyfox

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

However, once again we have a story of terrible cruelty, and many of the posters here and elsewhere seem to get some sort of gratification in calling for equally barbaric treatment for the perpetrators.

Some of the comments I read make me feel a little uneasy - if a person suggests an equally barbaric form of punishment for an offender (regardless of how sickening the crime) then I would have to question the mind of the person who suggests such punishment.

I totally understand that tempers run high at such news - but wouldn't giving vile punishment to offenders make us as bad as them?

No it doesn't, I'm a perfectly sane nice person but the person who did this is a scummy piece of sh** who deserves a more severe punishment than what our weak forgiving justice system gives.. I'm all for more barbaric punishment as I care more about victims than I do about scum, if we didn't have a weak justice system I might be more rational

bigpink

Why isnt this murder in the media more?Seems people aren’t shocked by it

Seth Brundle

bigpink wrote: »

Why isnt this murder in the media more?Seems people aren’t shocked by it

People were shocked by it but there hasn't been anything significant to report over the last day or so, so it moves down the news feed.
Doesn't mean that it's not on people's minds

Heres Johnny

It's in the media plenty.
The detectives are doing their jobs. When there's something to report, it will be up in 5 seconds. Don't want a speculative frenzy.
Locally it's hugely on people's minds and their conversations. Hundreds of us go to that park on a daily basis. Can't not think of it.

wakka12

bigpink wrote: »

Why isnt this murder in the media more?Seems people aren’t shocked by it

It is not as big as Jastines story as the suspects are underage so the media cant post personal details about them, and important DNA results arent back yet I believe

cagefactor

If the person's responsible are 13-14 what is the law like ? Are they trialed as adults ? Do they get an easy pass in some juvenile detention center for a couple of years? released in a few years with new identities ?

Squatter

cagefactor wrote: »

If the person's responsible are 13-14 what is the law like ? Are they trialed as adults ? Do they get an easy pass in some juvenile detention center for a couple of years? released in a few years with new identities ?

See post #146.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Greyfox wrote: »

No it doesn't, I'm a perfectly sane nice person but the person who did this is a scummy piece of sh** who deserves a more severe punishment than what our weak forgiving justice system gives.. I'm all for more barbaric punishment as I care more about victims than I do about scum, if we didn't have a weak justice system I might be more rational

You say you care about the victim, but how would a cruel and inhuman punishment help the victim?

I certainly care more about the victims of crime than those who perpetrate crime, but I don't understand how dragging us down to the torture of criminals will ever help a victim.

kingofclay

bigpink wrote: »

Why isnt this murder in the media more?Seems people aren’t shocked by it

That's what I thought. I remember watching the Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman case unfold as a kid and the outpouring of grief when they were found. However, we are a bit more measured here whereas in the UK the public were watching the case unfold on Sky News for 2 weeks.

kingofclay

kingofclay wrote: »

That's what I thought. I remember watching the Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman case unfold as a kid and the outpouring of grief when they were found. However, we are a bit more measured here whereas in the UK the public were watching the case unfold on Sky News for 2 weeks.

There’s no comparison to the Holly and Jessica case. They were missing for weeks, which is why it was in the media so much.

This unfortunate girls remains have been found and the Gardai are working flat out to try and solve the case. There are updates and requests for information every day.

screamer

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Greyfox wrote: »

No it doesn't, I'm a perfectly sane nice person but the person who did this is a scummy piece of sh** who deserves a more severe punishment than what our weak forgiving justice system gives.. I'm all for more barbaric punishment as I care more about victims than I do about scum, if we didn't have a weak justice system I might be more rational

You say you care about the victim, but how would a cruel and inhuman punishment help the victim?

I certainly care more about the victims of crime than those who perpetrate crime, but I don't understand how dragging us down to the torture of criminals will ever help a victim.

Torture them? Too soft. Lethal injection would be adequate for them after savagely killing a child in this way.
Our society would be far better off to be rid of murderous scumbags than giving them Xboxes in prison both financially and actually.
Oh just for ****s and giggles...what does keeping them alive in prison actually contribute to our society outside of some limp wristed justice?

Electric Sheep

screamer wrote: »

Torture them? Too soft. Lethal injection would be adequate for them after savagely killing a child in this way.
Our society would be far better off to be rid of murderous scumbags than giving them Xboxes in prison both financially and actually.
Oh just for ****s and giggles...what does keeping them alive in prison actually contribute to our society outside of some limp wristed justice?

If the rumour that the perpetrators are 13 is true, then they are also children, and in fact a year younger than the victim. So lethal injection would also be killing a child.

Also, I think the fact that the victim was actually a peer rather than a younger child complicates the issue.

Greyfox

Electric Sheep wrote: »

If the rumour that the perpetrators are 13 is true, then they are also children, and in fact a year younger than the victim. So lethal injection would also be killing a child.

If found guilty there a murderer and thankfully as per post 146 they would be trailed as an adult.. thank god.

Ragnar Lothbrok

screamer wrote: »

Torture them? Too soft. Lethal injection would be adequate for them after savagely killing a child in this way.
Our society would be far better off to be rid of murderous scumbags than giving them Xboxes in prison both financially and actually.
Oh just for ****s and giggles...what does keeping them alive in prison actually contribute to our society outside of some limp wristed justice?

If, as seems highly possible, the killer/s are children themselves, do you seriously think that torture is too soft for them? Is that not savage too?

Locking someone up for the rest of their life is not an "easy" option. I'd imagine that life in prison is incredibly horrible, despite the opinion of many that it is some sort of holiday camp.