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Holocaust Denial [MOD NOTE POST #1]

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    #32
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Dohnjoe failed to tell you is the court conviction was thrown out in 1994 and all charges were dropped it was proven to be a mistrial

    Can you provide the source of that pasted material you posted?


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    #33
    Cheerful Spring
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    At the 1989 IHR Conference, Leuchter dramatically called for a neutral, international commission of engineers, historians and scholars to go to Auschwitz and the other camps, and to either confirm or repudiate his findings. Not surprisingly, those who have been trying so hard to silence and discredit Leuchter have ignored his challenge.


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    #34
    King Mob
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Dohnjoe failed to tell you is the court conviction was thrown out in 1994 and all charges were dropped it was proven to be a mistrial
    Ok, we're into the phase where you are just making **** up now.

    You are just copy pasting racist propaganda that promotes racists and Neo-nazis as experts and outright lies.
    I won't engage you further.


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    #35
    Cheerful Spring
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok, we're into the phase where you are just making **** up now.

    You are just copy pasting racist propaganda that promotes racists and Neo-nazis as experts and outright lies.
    I won't engage you further.

    Supreme Court of Canada Building Ottawa, Canada August 27, 1992
    http://www.chrc-ccdp.gc.ca/historical-perspective/en/timePortals/milestones/132mile.asp


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    #36
    Cheerful Spring
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Can you provide the source of that pasted material you posted?

    Posted it to Kingmob instead you find it there.


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    #37
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Posted it to Kingmob instead you find it there.

    I don't see it - what is the source of this material in post #22?
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106904744&postcount=23


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    #38
    Cheerful Spring
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I don't see it - what is the source of this material in post #22?
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106904744&postcount=23

    Is even the link you posted from Wikipedia charges was dropped. Looks at the end line of the information trials of the 80's


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel

    Post 23? That's just a summary of all the claims made by Holocaust deniers. I just posted it so we know what the arguments are!


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    #39
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Is even the link you posted from Wikipedia charges was dropped. Looks at the end line of the information trials of the 80's


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel

    ?

    I'm asking for the source of the material you posted here
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106904744&postcount=23

    Where did you copy and paste that from?


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    #40
    Cheerful Spring
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    ?

    I'm asking for the source of the material you posted here
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106904744&postcount=23

    Where did you copy and paste that from?

    Here why https://www.quora.com/Did-gas-chambers-really-exist

    Author copied the information from the web I seen it before on other sites. It just a nice post put together with all the arguments.


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    #41
    Dohnjoe
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Here why https://www.quora.com/Did-gas-chambers-really-exist

    Author copied the information from the web I seen it before on other sites. It just a nice post put together with all the arguments.

    Which author?

    Who wrote this?


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    #42
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Which author?

    Who wrote this?

    What difference does it make who wrote it, the discussion was about the holocaust? If you have a problem with it talk about what you dislike and tell us why?


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    #43
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    What difference does it make who wrote it,

    jesus christ

    I'm done here too


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    #44
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Dohnjoe and King Mob I know it may feel as if it was a waste of time to engage someone like that, but keep in mind the objective isn't to change his mind, it's to reveal the (to be charitable) sophistry and disingenuousness that invariably looted behind these kinds of nonsensical theories. The rapid breakdown of his argument, from making one numbers claim to making a whole horde of them as distraction to simply copy pasting vast swathes of unattributed assertions about the existence of gas chambers (what happened to the original 4 million claim?), All of this isn't evidence of your failure, it's the closest thing to success that's possible. You've made the guy look a complete fool (again, being charitable, a less generous interpretation might be offered). Deep down he knows this. Well done.


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    #45
    Cheerful Spring
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    Dohnjoe and King Mob I know it may feel as if it was a waste of time to engage someone like that, but keep in mind the objective isn't to change his mind, it's to reveal the (to be charitable) sophistry and disingenuousness that invariably looted behind these kinds of nonsensical theories. The rapid breakdown of his argument, from making one numbers claim to making a whole horde of them as distraction to simply copy pasting vast swathes of unattributed assertions about the existence of gas chambers (what happened to the original 4 million claim?), All of this isn't evidence of your failure, it's the closest thing to success that's possible. You've made the guy look a complete fool (again, being charitable, a less generous interpretation might be offered). Deep down he knows this. Well done.

    I love how a new guy just pops in and ignored both of those guys never debunked the information I provided. If that's standard you think it winning an argument I give up, never mind them.


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    #46
    Cheerful Spring
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    jesus christ

    I'm done here too

    Why am not surprised this my experience with you guys for last week. Ignoring the evidence and just engaging in generalities and half-truths and deflection tactics.


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    #47
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression I wanted to engage you directly. I absolutely don't. I was just admiring the posters who were willing to do so.


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    #48
    Cheerful Spring
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression I wanted to engage you directly. I absolutely don't. I was just admiring the posters who were willing to do so.

    Sure this board is full of people like you;)


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    #49
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression I wanted to engage you directly. I absolutely don't. I was just admiring the posters who were willing to do so.

    Sure this board is full of people like you;)
    People who don't want to engage with you? I'll bet it is.


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    #50
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    People who don't want to engage with you? I'll bet it is.

    I dealing with people on here who prefer to live in their own bubble of reality. I don't mind if I am wrong I just dislike dishonest debate. Dohnjoe tried to debunk something but left out that guy was acquitted in another court case. He left that part out probably because he didn't know or had researched it. His debating the subject with not knowing the full facts fully and only using information that agrees with his version of reality.


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    #51
    Cheerful Spring
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    Some of the intellectual dishonesty I am experiencing on here.

    Realt Dearg Sec@ They asked me where did I find that 9.2 million Jews lived in Europe number from, I showed them. Did you get that from a racist website, just disputing it out of hand? They ignore those numbers came from the Jewish committee in 1933.

    They ignored the Jewish foundations claimed in 1950 4 million Jews lived in Europe. They are going out of there way to claim no Jews left Europe between 1933 and 1950 that's 17 years. Even though highly likely millions of Jewish people left Europe.

    The 6 million figure doesn't make sense using numbers the Jews have got.


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    #52
    pitifulgod
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    What difference does it make who wrote it, the discussion was about the holocaust? If you have a problem with it talk about what you dislike and tell us why?

    It's very much relevant as there are supposed scholars who are nothing more than Nazis. You've literally denied certain people are holocaust survivors, you've denied gas chambers and incinerators and you deny the number. How is that not holocaust denial? You've literally denied central aspects to the holocaust.


    Also here's Elie Weisel's tattoo, him being a survivor of the holocaust has never been denied except by some nut jobs with zero credibility.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XYgtg9j3SDI/WN_QwLdMgVI/AAAAAAAAAXk/qYFQxrKlmGc-oY-TqBtx4B_LOG5WtnwDQCLcB/s1600/mg.png


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    #53
    King Mob
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Realt Dearg Sec@ They asked me where did I find that 9.2 million Jews lived in Europe number from, I showed them.
    That's not what you were asked.
    You again are inventing your reality around you.

    And again: Not "the Jews", Historians.

    Constantly refering to "the Jews" the way you are is very reminiscent of the racists and neo-nazis you are propping up as experts.


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    #54
    kunst nugget
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    Where did the Jews move to during World War 2 that they were able to escape the holocaust? Can you give corresponding increases in Jewish populations in other countries around the world to account for them escaping being annihilated by the Nazi regime?


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    #55
    Cheerful Spring
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    pitifulgod wrote: »
    It's very much relevant as there are supposed scholars who are nothing more than Nazis. You've literally denied certain people are holocaust survivors, you've denied gas chambers and incinerators and you deny the number. How is that not holocaust denial? You've literally denied central aspects to the holocaust.


    Also here's Elie Weisel's tattoo, him being a survivor of the holocaust has never been denied except by some nut jobs with zero credibility.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XYgtg9j3SDI/WN_QwLdMgVI/AAAAAAAAAXk/qYFQxrKlmGc-oY-TqBtx4B_LOG5WtnwDQCLcB/s1600/mg.png

    The strange case about Elie Weisel tattoo or marking it completely faded and indiscernible. Plenty of Jewish people who were held at the Auschwitz concentration camp still have their tattoos and you can make out numbers clearly on their arm still. Nobody disputing Jews was at Auschwitz and got numbered on their arm.

    Now, this will shock and you never heard about this.Miklos Gruner pictured below a Jewish Holocaust survivor. He described Elie Weisel as an imposter who faking a holocaust past. He stole his friend identity Lázár Wiesel with tattoo number A-7713

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    #56
    pitifulgod
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    The strange case about Elie Weisel tattoo or marking it completely faded and indiscernible. Plenty of Jewish people who were held at the Auschwitz concentration camp still have their tattoos and you can make out numbers clearly on their arm still. Nobody disputing Jews was at Auschwitz and got numbered on their arm.

    Now, this will shock and you never heard about this.Miklos Gruner pictured below a Jewish Holocaust survivor. He described Elie Weisel as an imposter who faking a holocaust past. He stole his friend identity Lázár Wiesel with tattoo number A-7713

    450001.png

    And absolutely nothing he claims is proven. Tattoos from camps would have varied in quality and tonnes of other factors that would influence their appearance as you age. Eg skin damage such as sun damage can dramatically change appearance. But you're just gonna follow this line because you have to believe every conspiracy going.


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    #57
    Cheerful Spring
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    King Mob wrote: »
    That's not what you were asked.
    You again are inventing your reality around you.

    And again: Not "the Jews", Historians.

    Constantly refering to "the Jews" the way you are is very reminiscent of the racists and neo-nazis you are propping up as experts.

    Yes, you did you denied those numbers came from a legitimate historical source. You claimed these numbers came from a racist site.


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    #58
    Cheerful Spring
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    pitifulgod wrote: »
    And absolutely nothing he claims is proven. Tattoos from camps would have varied in quality and tonnes of other factors that would influence their appearance as you age. Eg skin damage such as sun damage can dramatically change appearance. But you're just gonna follow this line because you have to believe every conspiracy going.

    A genuine Holocaust survivor believes Weisel a fraud and stole his friend identity to become famous.

    In 1986 a Swedish news paper arranged for him to meet what he thought would be his old friend. Instead it was Elie Wiesel, who Grüner claims he never saw before.”Wiesel refused to show me his tattoo. It was a very short meeting.”


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    #59
    Cheerful Spring
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Where did the Jews move to during World War 2 that they were able to escape the holocaust? Can you give corresponding increases in Jewish populations in other countries around the world to account for them escaping being annihilated by the Nazi regime?

    Jews migrated from Europe to the Middle East, UK, America and South America during the period 1933 to 1950.

    Jews left Europe for Palestine between the years 1946 and 1950. Remember the Jews themselves claimed in 1950 there were 4 million Jews still left in Europe and had not moved away to other countries.

    I personally have looked into the increases in Jewish populations in other countries.


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    #60
    King Mob
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Yes, you did you denied those numbers came from a legitimate historical source. You claimed these numbers came from a racist site.
    4 lies in a row. That's very impressive for a short post like that.

    I never denied those numbers, I just denied your interpretation of them. Your interpretation of them comes from racist propaganda.
    Regardless, those numbers were not an answer to the original question asked on this thread.
    You ignored it repeatedly, then threw out a string of random lies and factoids that you were too lazy to actually write yourself, so you stole it from some randomer on the internet.

    It's been pointed out that your behavior is showing people just how ridiculous and dishonest holocaust denial is.


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    #61
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I personally have looked into the increases in Jewish populations in other countries.

    That's a lie.
    Watching youtube videos is not "personally looking into something."

    If this is not the case, post your research.
    Hell, even post a number with some kind of legitimate backing.


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