Ex RTÉ producer sentenced to 18 months in prison

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McCrack

end of the road wrote: »

a hell of a lot more are gone underground because of phil. the ones that phil supposibly helped to catch, went to prison because of the police, not phil, because the police did the actual work via insuring the evidence was admissible in court. craven was found out by people looking to be facebook superstars via seeking attention on facebook and needing to find some sort of cause to get support and legitimacy. it's good he is in jail, but the credit ultimately goes to the police via insuring the evidence was admissible in court.

You're displaying a level of ignorance/misunderstanding of the legal and judicial process.

Creaven pleaded guilty on full facts. The question of admissibility or otherwise of the evidence against him did not arise because he pleaded guilty.

Strazdas

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Ian O Doherty made a right tit of himself on Wednesday night attacking Phil the way he did.

And Ian is a self confessed right winger - like most of the supporters of these groups I would imagine. When even an outspoken right wing conservative like Ian is attacking them, it does suggest there is a problem,

Adrian Kennedy wrote a good article about them recently, describing such groups as little more than thuggish and with very shady motives,

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These groups look to get other nonces locked up leaving more kids for them to fiddle

Mongfinder General

suicide_circus wrote: »

These groups look to get other nonces locked up leaving more kids for them to fiddle

And you know this how?

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Mongfinder General wrote: »

And you know this how?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then its probably a nonce.

Galwayguy35

end of the road wrote: »

a hell of a lot more are gone underground because of phil. the ones that phil supposibly helped to catch, went to prison because of the police, not phil, because the police did the actual work via insuring the evidence was admissible in court. craven was found out by people looking to be facebook superstars via seeking attention on facebook and needing to find some sort of cause to get support and legitimacy. it's good he is in jail, but the credit ultimately goes to the police via insuring the evidence was admissible in court.

So you credit the cops with a conviction of a person they knew nothing about.

Ok so.

Mongfinder General

suicide_circus wrote: »

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then its probably a nonce.

I think you have ducks confused with paedos. How come you know so much about paedos anyway?

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Mongfinder General wrote: »

I think you have ducks confused with paedos. How come you know so much about paedos anyway?

Paedophiles have more genes in common with crabs than they do with you and me. Now that's a scientific fact.

clairek6

retro:electro wrote: »

Absolute filthy pig. I feel sorry for his family and especially his elderly mother who I’m led to believe is compleley and utterly heartbroken over this.

Both parents are dead but he has a couple of siblings

facehugger99

Hard to know which group represents a greater danger to society, the paedos or these self-styled paedo-hunters.

I find them both deplorable for different reasons tbh.

weldoninhio

Strazdas wrote: »

And Ian is a self confessed right winger - like most of the supporters of these groups I would imagine. When even an outspoken right wing conservative like Ian is attacking them, it does suggest there is a problem,

Adrian Kennedy wrote a good article about them recently, describing such groups as little more than thuggish and with very shady motives,

I’ve asked before and didn’t get an answer, so I’ll try again. What evidence is there that anyone helping catch paedos is shady or thuggish??

Mongfinder General

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hard to know which group represents a greater danger to society, the paedos or these self-styled paedo-hunters.

I find them both deplorable for different reasons tbh.

I’ll make your mind up straight away. Which one would you prefer to babysit your kids?

weldoninhio

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hard to know which group represents a greater danger to society, the paedos or these self-styled paedo-hunters.

I find them both deplorable for different reasons tbh.

One group grooms kids and fcuks them.

The other group tries to catch and have the first group arrested.

If you don’t know which one is a “greater danger to society” it says a lot about you.

Turn Out The Sun

No problem with pedo hunters. They create a fake profile of a young girl or boy, and the pedo makes the first move. It's the pedo who ruins his life.

And while I believe in the death penalty for pedophiles, this group did not harm him, merely restrained him until the police arrived, which is what should be done.

I'm looking into getting involved with one of these groups myself.

end of the road

Mongfinder General wrote: »

I’ll make your mind up straight away. Which one would you prefer to babysit your kids?

neither of them.

weldoninhio wrote: »

One group grooms kids and fcuks them.

The other group tries to catch and have the first group arrested.

If you don’t know which one is a “greater danger to society” it says a lot about you.

the second group sets up fake pages and pretends to be children. i am as concerned about them as i am about paedophiles, 100% concern.

Turn Out The Sun

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hard to know which group represents a greater danger to society, the paedos or these self-styled paedo-hunters.

I find them both deplorable for different reasons tbh.

Which is the greater threat to society? That would be the pedophiles.

Turn Out The Sun

end of the road wrote: »

neither of them.



the second group sets up fake pages and pretends to be children. i am as concerned about them as i am about paedophiles, 100% concern.

You need only be concerned about pedo hunters if you are a pedophile.

keith_sixteen

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So why aren't they catching them then?

Of course they are catching them. Difference is the cops aren't live streaming the crap out of their operations for the likes. Ultimately, in the long term, these streaming tactics do more harm than good.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Depraved perverts nobody in law enforcement knew about.

Craven was found out by ordinary people in another country giving up their free time not the Guards who are paid to root out his kind.

How do you know they were not on the radar of law enforcement already? Probably plenty who were on the radar who have now fallen off thanks to Phil and his mates. Ordinary people giving up their "free time"....please. The absolute dole hounds have plenty of time on their hands.

Mongfinder General

end of the road wrote: »

neither of them.



the second group sets up fake pages and pretends to be children. i am as concerned about them as i am about paedophiles, 100% concern.

Your poor kids.

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Turn Out The Sun wrote: »

You need only be concerned about pedo hunters if you are a pedophile.

Dangerous logic.

Turn Out The Sun

suicide_circus wrote: »

Dangerous logic.

I'm not chatting up 13 year girls on Facebook. I have nothing to worry about.

facehugger99

I find these group's obsessions with paedos a bit suspicious tbh. Almost as if they're trying to cover up for something themselves.

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McCrack

facehugger99 wrote: »

I find these group's obsessions with paedos a bit suspicious tbh. Almost as if they're trying to cover up for something themselves.

The fact you're signed up here last month with 100 posts I just cant take you serious.

Nice try all the same

At least you got a thanks from end of the road

timthumbni

I honestly couldn’t give 2 fecks about the rights of those snared by these groupings. As for those stating that both are as bad as each other that is frankly laughable.

If the psni/pps can’t convict based on evidence handed to them then I would suggest that the law needs changed.

The fact that a lot of these deviants have now been at least exposed to the public will in certain cases help protect children around them. One caught up here was a kids music tutor ffs. Now the psni can rabbit on about procedure all they want. The fact is that without the predator catchers or whoever was on that one no one would know about this guy. I’m sure the parents of the kids he was tutoring will be very, very thankful that he was outed on Facebook.

I also smirked about someone earlier going on about it being unethical....... we are talking about paedophiles here. How ethical is it for a 40 year old man to send a picture of his Johnston to someone
he believes to be a 13 yr old kid and then try to arrange a meeting?

Strazdas

timthumbni wrote: »

I honestly couldn’t give 2 fecks about the rights of those snared by these groupings. As for those stating that both are as bad as each other that is frankly laughable.

If the psni/pps can’t convict based on evidence handed to them then I would suggest that the law needs changed.

The fact that a lot of these deviants have now been at least exposed to the public will in certain cases help protect children around them. One caught up here was a kids music tutor ffs. Now the psni can rabbit on about procedure all they want. The fact is that without the predator catchers or whoever was on that one no one would know about this guy. I’m sure the parents of the kids he was tutoring will be very, very thankful that he was outed on Facebook.

I also smirked about someone earlier going on about it being unethical....... we are talking about paedophiles here. How ethical is it for a 40 year old man to send a picture of his Johnston to someone
he believes to be a 13 yr old kid and then try to arrange a meeting?

The law needs to be changed in order to accommodate the activities of vigilante groups? I don't think so : Ireland is not a lawless state run by semi literate chavs with links to paramilitaries and the British far right. Changing the law like this would open the door to every angry yob in the country setting himself up as a have a go hero.

McCrack

Strazdas wrote: »

The law needs to be changed in order to accommodate the activities of vigilante groups? I don't think so : Ireland is not a lawless state run by semi literate chavs with links to paramilitaries and the British far right. Changing the law like this would open the door to every angry yob in the country setting himself up as a have a go hero.

As socrates the great greek philosopher said-

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser

weldoninhio

Strazdas wrote: »

The law needs to be changed in order to accommodate the activities of vigilante groups? I don't think so : Ireland is not a lawless state run by semi literate chavs with links to paramilitaries and the British far right. Changing the law like this would open the door to every angry yob in the country setting himself up as a have a go hero.

Third time of asking.

I’ve asked before and didn’t get an answer, so I’ll try again. What evidence is there that anyone helping catch paedos is shady or thuggish??

Omackeral

weldoninhio wrote: »

Third time of asking.

I’ve asked before and didn’t get an answer, so I’ll try again. What evidence is there that anyone helping catch paedos is shady or thuggish??

Their accents or their vocabulary, presumably. That’s what they’ll realistically go on. The same people running the members of these groups into ground based on these factors would be the exact same ones crying foul, ironically, if they were stereotyped or written off in another situation. But that’s the way of it these days. Mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible and deflect.

Saw it on the Lidl Tallaght thread, people taking umbrage at posters calling the perpetrators scum and vermin because it’s dehumanising rather than lambasting the filth responsible.

Saw it on the Tommy Robinson thread last night, ignoring the tramps attacking people in Hyde Park with sticks but instead focusing on Tommy apparently looking smug.

It’s the same people time and time again looking to shift blame, you can almost do a bingo list of who’ll thank the posts.