Ex RTÉ producer sentenced to 18 months in prison

Jim Bob Scratcher

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/former-rt-producer-who-tried-to-groom-girl-13-sentenced-to-18-months-in-prison-36687151.html

I honestly thought he would just get a slap on the wrist

Mossy Monk

Good enough for him the dirty bastard.

Flippyfloppy

I wonder why some of the other people 'stung' by similar groups in the same way are let off, especially by Gardai

Sofiztikated

I thought this was going to be about the Secret Producer Twitter yoke.

doolox

I do not know if the UK do remission for good behaviour which reduces sentences but this should send out a warning to anyone using the internet to get sex.

topper75

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Excellent. I wonder why some of the other people 'stung' by similar groups in the same way are let off, especially by Gardai

Something odd afoot there over the years alright re kids' rights in this land.

That judge Curtin and the expired warrant.

The Irish college guy Ó Lúbhlaí and the missing tape and transcript of the confession

etc.

That is BEFORE we look at RCC cases.

Brits nailed the case here but they've also had high profile embarrassments with investigations of late.

Flippyfloppy

Seemingly he was charged on other offenses, blackmailing kids to send pictures amongst others

Jim Bob Scratcher

doolox wrote: »

I do not know if the UK do remission for good behaviour which reduces sentences but this should send out a warning to anyone using the internet to get sex.

Apparently they found a **** load of stuff on his laptop, he was chatting to 15-20 young girls and trying to blackmail them into sending pictures.

Flippyfloppy

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Apparently they found a **** load of stuff on his laptop, he was chatting to 15-20 young girls and trying to blackmail them into sending pictures.

As young as 8 years old 😡

Omackeral

doolox wrote: »

I do not know if the UK do remission for good behaviour which reduces sentences but this should send out a warning to anyone using the internet to get sex....

...from minors.

You left out that part.

silverharp

I wont be sad if he is cell mates with an English version of Bubba

retro:electro

Absolute filthy pig. I feel sorry for his family and especially his elderly mother who I’m led to believe is compleley and utterly heartbroken over this.

Omackeral

Now that the case is done and dusted here's the original sting of 55 year old former RTE producer Kieran Creaven by a group of self-styled pedophile hunters in Leeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a6HtIHM0Ss

screamer

anna080 wrote: »

Absolute filthy pig. I feel sorry for his family and especially his elderly mother who I’m led to believe is compleley and utterly heartbroken over this.

Just about to say the same thing. I do feel very sorry for them and the shame that he has brought on them through no fault of their own. I'm sure their lives have changed utterly since he was caught.

Omackeral

s15r330 wrote: »

The roles will be reversed now!
God help his poopipe

You sound excited!

silverharp wrote: »

I wont be sad if he is cell mates with an English version of Bubba

I believe sex offenders are segregated from the rest of the inmates so the rape fantasies probably won't come through.

garbo speaks

I feel sorry for his family, but for the man himself I am delighted with the sentence for this scumbag. It's a pity that if it were here, he would barely get a warning.

Flippyfloppy

garbo speaks wrote: »

It's a pity that if it were here, he would barely get a warning.

And we'd have absolutely no idea of his identity...

shamrock55

18 mths FFS Tis life he should get

Omackeral

shamrock55 wrote: »

18 mths FFS Tis life he should get

He's a dirty yoke and all but he didn't actually abuse anyone, thankfully.

Flippyfloppy

Omackeral wrote: »

He's a dirty yoke and all but he didn't actually abuse anyone, thankfully.

He was blackmailing kids for photos as well

shamrock55

Omackeral wrote: »

He's a dirty yoke and all but he didn't actually abuse anyone, thankfully.

He was hardly meeting her to play tiddlywinks,the intent was there,why do we have to wait till something bad happens,this creep was only after one thing and I'd have no problem even hanging the prick

pistolpetes11

Brilliant how quickly the UK Courts dealt with this case , he would be still out on bail in Ireland

Sofiztikated

shamrock55 wrote: »

He was hardly meeting her to play tiddlywinks,the intent was there,why do we have to wait till something bad happens,this creep was only after one thing and I'd have no problem even hanging the prick

You can't convict people on what they might do.

You might pick up a shovel, and cave someone's skull in, but we don't imprison you for it.

mad m

I think it’s very lenient of the judge/courts. Think he should of got more in my opinion.

Flippyfloppy

Sofiztikated wrote: »

shamrock55 wrote: »

He was hardly meeting her to play tiddlywinks,the intent was there,why do we have to wait till something bad happens,this creep was only after one thing and I'd have no problem even hanging the prick

You can't convict people on what they might do.

You might pick up a shovel, and cave someone's skull in, but we don't imprison you for it.

People have been convicted on what they might do though, so you can

Omackeral

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

He was blackmailing kids for photos as well

Oh I know. What I meant was he didn't physically abuse anyone and that's a bloody good thing. We know he's a grubby, dangerous, predatory f*cker and I'm glad he got caught and nobody was hurt. He looks like he knows he's ruined his life too. Delighted for the fool and I've no sympathy for him. Wouldn't say let's hang him though, that's a step too far.

Flippyfloppy

Omackeral wrote: »

shamrock55 wrote: »

18 mths FFS Tis life he should get

He's a dirty yoke and all but he didn't actually abuse anyone, thankfully.

Additionally, just after he was caught and his facebook was still active his trips abroad were from countries associated with child sex tourism

leestone

anna080 wrote: »

Absolute filthy pig. I feel sorry for his family and especially his elderly mother who I’m led to believe is compleley and utterly heartbroken over this.

Both his parents have died before all this.

retro:electro

leestone wrote: »

Both his parents have died before all this.

Untrue. His mother is in a nursing home.

Boom_Bap

mad m wrote: »

I think it’s very lenient of the judge/courts. Think he should of got more in my opinion.

In the article it says that he plead guilty which the judge took into consideration during sentencing. Also something about them running concurrently.

Omackeral

Why do concurrent sentences exist at all can anyone tell me? It's like a ''commit one crime, get the second one free'' offer. I don't get it. Basically getting away with it.

Boom_Bap

Omackeral wrote: »

Why do concurrent sentences exist at all can anyone tell me? It's like a ''commit one crime, get the second one free'' offer. I don't get it. Basically getting away with it.

I don't get it either, it's probably something to do with keeping populations low in the clink.

screamer

Omackeral wrote: »

Why do concurrent sentences exist at all can anyone tell me? It's like a ''commit one crime, get the second one free'' offer. I don't get it. Basically getting away with it.

Because prisons are busting at the seams. I'd love to farm some of the biggest scumbags out to the biggest **** hole prisons in the world. If they got out alive they'd never ever want to go back.

DEFTLEFTHAND

screamer wrote: »

Because prisons are busting at the seams. I'd love to farm some of the biggest scumbags out to the biggest **** hole prisons in the world. If they got out alive they'd never ever want to go back.

Somewhere like Honduras.

The inmates run their joints, prison guards keep watch over the perimeter, they don't enter the actual prison.

So unless you have money or criminal connections the bosses are going to treat you like a slave for the duration of your sentence.

suicide_circus

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Brilliant how quickly the UK Courts dealt with this case , he would be still out on bail in Ireland

It's amazing the difference

shamrock55

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You can't convict people on what they might do.

You might pick up a shovel, and cave someone's skull in, but we don't imprison you for it.

Yes but if I was on my way to someone's house with said shovel with the intention to cave someone's head in and got stopped at the door by cops,the crime was going to happen alright it just got stopped

Strazdas

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Brilliant how quickly the UK Courts dealt with this case , he would be still out on bail in Ireland

On bail? The Gardai and PSNI are refusing to even charge anyone caught by vigilante gangs in this fashion, there has never been such a case before the courts north or south and probably never will be.

washman3

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You can't convict people on what they might do.

You might pick up a shovel, and cave someone's skull in, but we don't imprison you for it.

It's exactly because of attitudes like this that these evil scumbags exist.

end of the road

washman3 wrote: »

It's exactly because of attitudes like this that these evil scumbags exist.

no it isn't.

HappyAsLarE

God that’s an awfully short sentence.

actaphobia

What disturbs me almost as much as his actions is the behavior of these vigilante groups who effectively stalk these predators. There is something disturbing, something that just doesn't sit right, with the almost gleeful satisfaction of seeing someone else's life ruined, albeit self-inflicted. I've seen some of the social media remarks and it is sickening.

I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class

doolox

Sexual abuse id a huge problem and the root of a lot of alcoholism, drug addiction and other self destructive behaviour among people. THe perpatrators are often former victims themselves and their moral compass has often been destroyed by other monsters in their past lives.

I do not know if they can be reformed or made not to repeat their behaviours but the Church made this mistake in moving paedophile priests around the place in the hope that they would reform and not repeat their deeds elsewhere. It seems that only constant and never ending supervision and confinement from general society and full disclosure to responsible members of society will prevent further offences, how to do this without exciting the anger of the rougher and less disciplined members of society, who might be tempted to resort to more sanguinary and rougher solutions to the problem, is a huge dilemma.

Flippyfloppy

actaphobia wrote: »

I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class

Oh, how ghastly! One could go as far as to say it's frightful!

doolox

You need to be able to deny the more primitive urges in order to survive in the current climate. Any "protection" the privileged classes had in the past are long gone. People will not get away with wrong doing anymore.

JenovaProject

actaphobia wrote: »

What disturbs me almost as much as his actions is the behavior of these vigilante groups who effectively stalk these predators. There is something disturbing, something that just doesn't sit right, with the almost gleeful satisfaction of seeing someone else's life ruined, albeit self-inflicted. I've seen some of the social media remarks and it is sickening.

I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class

You are almost as disturbed by these vigilante groups who catch paedophiles as you are about child molesting paedophiles?
Thats an awful shame.

ceadaoin.

doolox wrote: »

Sexual abuse id a huge problem and the root of a lot of alcoholism, drug addiction and other self destructive behaviour among people. THe perpatrators are often former victims themselves and their moral compass has often been destroyed by other monsters in their past lives.

I do not know if they can be reformed or made not to repeat their behaviours but the Church made this mistake in moving paedophile priests around the place in the hope that they would reform and not repeat their deeds elsewhere. It seems that only constant and never ending supervision and confinement from general society and full disclosure to responsible members of society will prevent further offences, how to do this without exciting the anger of the rougher and less disciplined members of society, who might be tempted to resort to more sanguinary and rougher solutions to the problem, is a huge dilemma.

The church didn't make a mistake, they actively covered up crimes and didnt care that the paedophile priests continued abusing. If they did they would have done something about it after the first couple of times a priest had to be moved. They weren't hoping to reform the abuser, only make the problem in that particular area go away when the whispers got too loud.

1 year and a half?...... Is there any consideration given to child safety at all any more? Did he have to actually rape and brutalise a child like the Athlone case before a more appropriate sentence could be dished out?

The sick fúck should have got years not months. Intention with meeting a child to have sex with them and only 18 months???? Sickening

muckbrien

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

He was blackmailing kids for photos as well

Terrible that tbh

Kids could be tormented over it and afraid to talk about it

Zebra3

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The church didn't make a mistake, they actively covered up crimes and didnt care that the paedophile priests continued abusing. If they did they would have done something about it after the first couple of times a priest had to be moved. They weren't hoping to reform the abuser, only make the problem in that particular area go away when the whispers got too loud.

Be careful telling the truth around here about the crimes of the Roman church. Irks a lot of people for some reason. :rolleyes:

ceadaoin.

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Additionally, just after he was caught and his facebook was still active his trips abroad were from countries associated with child sex tourism

Australia have brought in a law to deny passports to convicted child sex offenders. I think it's a great idea and think more countries should follow suit. It will make a big difference to abused children in countries that people travel to specifically to commit abuse.

muckbrien

actaphobia wrote: »

What disturbs me almost as much as his actions is the behavior of these vigilante groups who effectively stalk these predators. There is something disturbing, something that just doesn't sit right, with the almost gleeful satisfaction of seeing someone else's life ruined, albeit self-inflicted. I've seen some of the social media remarks and it is sickening.

I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class

Plenty of scumbags I'll wager among the paedophile hunters

They seem to attract riff raff to their ranks