IreExit

ohnonotgmail

Dangelo Disgusting Roller-skate wrote: »

It's probably not worth considering any time soon, but what about in about 2022c.

There is a possibility that 'after the dust of Brexit settles'* UK will have much lower corp tax than ,
and probably a new trade deals with the US, Canada, India, NZ & Aus. Maybe even China if they want.

* Believe there is a chance Brexit may not actually happen, and Corbyn will become their new PM during 2018.
The whole episode since June 2016, has been an lengthy episode of sabotaged-laden, paper-shuffling.

given they dont the eu until 2019 trade deals with others wont happen for at least 5 years. 2022 wont happen

Kidchameleon

RasTa wrote: »

I've ordered two. I won't be showing up so suggest everyone do the same.

I ordered two and I will be going. Please dont take places away from those who want to go. Let everyone have their opinion. Typical Europhile, stifling free speech.

bear1

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I ordered two and I will be going. Please dont take places away from those who want to go. Let everyone have their opinion. Typical Europhile, stifling free speech.

Would you please let us know how it went also take some pictures of all the famous people going.

4068ac1elhodqr

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

given they dont the eu until 2019 trade deals with others wont happen for at least 5 years. 2022 wont happen

All depends on their definition of 'Swift'.

Britain-US trade deal: May and Trump vow to make SWIFT post-Brexit agreement PUBLISHED: 18:20, Tue, Dec 19, 2017

THERESA May and Donald Trump agreed on the importance of a swift post-Brexit bilateral trade deal in the the pair’s first phone call since their row over the US President’s retweeting of a British far-right group.

Fred Swanson

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Guy:Incognito

end of the road wrote: »

correct. failed to get elected what, 7 times? not to mention he hardly ever turns up to the EU parliament. 1 person who absolutely does fit the term "waste of space" in my view

But not "career politician" . He hates those

smurgen

Wouldn't be surprised if it transpires down the line that the likes of farage have russian links.they see disruption of europe and u.s social and political landscape as a legitimate form of competiton.

bear1

Does Farage get paid by the eu as well? I seem to remember calling him out on how he can constantly denounce the eu and that the UK should have nothing to do with them but yet happily accept an eu wage.
His response was something like "why should my family be worse off"

BuboBubo

I couldn't listen to that tosser John Waters, I detest the man.

Nigel Farage - I have mentioned him in the "Someone Unusual you Fancy" thread. Maybe I'll go for the craic

Edit - it's on a Friday morning, I'll be in work. Ah well...

Doltanian

I see nothing wrong with Ireland leaving the EU, it has caused this country untold damage since we joined and the dubious benefits of EU membership are heavily outweighed by the negatives. We are a net contributor to EU funds and it is time to leave the EU now. I am in favour of free trade but free movement of EU citizens has to end and so has all EU legislation and its communist diktat to the Irish people.

Kermit.de.frog

Doltanian wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with Ireland leaving the EU, it has caused this country untold damage since we joined and the dubious benefits of EU membership are heavily outweighed by the negatives. We are a net contributor to EU funds and it is time to leave the EU now. I am in favour of free trade but free movement of EU citizens has to end and so has all EU legislation and its communist diktat to the Irish people.

What laws do you not want to obey from the EU?

bear1

Doltanian wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with Ireland leaving the EU, it has caused this country untold damage since we joined and the dubious benefits of EU membership are heavily outweighed by the negatives. We are a net contributor to EU funds and it is time to leave the EU now. I am in favour of free trade but free movement of EU citizens has to end and so has all EU legislation and its communist diktat to the Irish people.

Sweet Jesus what a load of tosh.
Some on here are advocating we leave and venture out alone but haven't got the first notion of what we would actually do.
How many jobs would be lost? How much money would be removed from the economy?
End freedom of movement? Mad thinking.
Also, if Ireland never joined the eu how would out country look now? A very western Romania maybe?
You seriously see no disadvantages of leaving?That fook you are in a minority.

sbs2010

If all you anti-IreExit heroes had any appreciation for free speech, freedom of assembly and all that stuff you'd let them have their meeting.
It's not the Nazis or Pol Pot who's running this thing.
How many of you are going to protest outside? F-all I'd say. Easier to hide behind your funny names.
Grow up people and let them have their meeting. Its so unlikely to be the start of an eventual vote to leave why are you getting so upset?

Topgear on Dave

Doltanian wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with Ireland leaving the EU, it has caused this country untold damage since we joined and the dubious benefits of EU membership are heavily outweighed by the negatives. We are a net contributor to EU funds and it is time to leave the EU now. I am in favour of free trade but free movement of EU citizens has to end and so has all EU legislation and its communist diktat to the Irish people.

We are a small nation, we may not have the greatest time inside the EU sometimes but, realistically, I dont see any alternative arrangement where we wouldnt be crushed by the bigger powers when push comes to shove.

What in the EU legislation are you most bothered by?

We are a net contributor to EU funds and also gain a lot by being on the common market. I work for a European company myself. We do a LOT OF BUSINESS with Europe.

As for ending freedom of movement, why? I dont want to be stuck on this rainy island forever ya know.


And Brexit, lets see how yon f**kfest plays out for the UK..... :pac:

Elemonator

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Well For a start this union doesn't have the peoples consent,in fact theyve gone about it very sneakily,re-votes on referendums that don't go the EU's way etc,I think the cornerstone of any democracy is people being able to choose were they are ruled from,by who and who make laws for them,I prefer my politicians directly elected and directly accountable to the people.Its getting increasingly authoritarian as they push for this radical utophia "superstate"

I could go on but I'll be here arguing with idiots all day who'll claim that we would still be wrapped in a bit of rag and hunting with spears if it wasn't for the EU "Shur they gave us roads"

We voted to join the EEC in 1973.

There was no revote. The second vote on the Lisbon Treaty contained amendments, including opt-outs for home affairs and justice. We can participate on a case by case basis.

And I'm sick of seeing this unelected s***. Even our own Taoiseach in unelected as he is selected by representative democracy. It's a side effect of the "everyone should have a vote on absolutely everything" mentality.

There are three governing bodies in the EU: the Council, the Commission, and the Parliament. The Parliament is directly elected by the population of the Union. The Council consists of the elected heads of state or government of the member states. The Commission consists of people appointed by the elected governments of the member states.

The usual target of the "democratic deficit" claim is the Commission, usually with the argument that the Commissioners should be directly elected - apparently only having two of the bodies consisting of elected representatives isn't enough.

There are good reasons for the Commissioners not to be elected, chief among them the fact that their job is to represent the interests of the Union as a whole, rather than the interests of the member states that appointed them. If you're someone for whom there is no metric for "good" other than "elected" - which is pretty funny, considering how much people complain about politicians - and if having two thirds of the Union's institutions consist of elected representatives, then sure: by those unrealistic lights the EU has a "democratic deficit".

Basically, the people who complain about democratic deficits are the people who either want a full-blown federal US of E, or the people who don't want an EU.

bear1

sbs2010 wrote: »

If all you anti-IreExit heroes had any appreciation for free speech, freedom of assembly and all that stuff you'd let them have their meeting.
It's not the Nazis or Pol Pot who's running this thing.
How many of you are going to protest outside? F-all I'd say. Easier to hide behind your funny names.
Grow up people and let them have their meeting. Its so unlikely to be the start of an eventual vote to leave why are you getting so upset?

Do you really think a debate being held which includes Nigel Farage who told a few lies to get what he wants would be considered appropriate?
Do you think freedom of speech should work both ways? They specifically state that the debate is only for like minded people so that shows that they only want to hear people agree with them.
Why don't they open the meeting up to both sides so both can say theirs opinions?
Cause they know exactly how it would go and that **** wit Farage has already once or twice mentioned Ireland should leave so that clown should truly go back to his own country and see the mess he has caused unfold instead of spreading his bull**** around.

Odhinn

Doltanian wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with Ireland leaving the EU, it has caused this country untold damage since we joined and the dubious benefits of EU membership are heavily outweighed by the negatives. We are a net contributor to EU funds and it is time to leave the EU now. I am in favour of free trade but free movement of EU citizens has to end and so has all EU legislation and its communist diktat to the Irish people.

Yeah. Ever since we moved away from dependency on the spud, the place has gone to hell.

steddyeddy

I think it's aimed at people who look at what's happening across the sea and think it's going well. In other words complete idiots.

Harry Palmr

Doltanian wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with Ireland leaving the EU, it has caused this country untold damage since we joined and the dubious benefits of EU membership are heavily outweighed by the negatives. We are a net contributor to EU funds and it is time to leave the EU now. I am in favour of free trade but free movement of EU citizens has to end and so has all EU legislation and its communist diktat to the Irish people.

and there we are! No more net freebies so it's time to leave apparently. Dolt indeed.

Doltanian

Ending Freedom of movement would be very beneficial to the hundreds of thousands of Irish who are undercut in Ireland by Eastern European workers and Irish people are free to holiday where we like.

Look at the EU trying to force abortion on the Irish people, forcing us to give scumbags humans rights, the death penalty should be implemented here and used often for crimes.

The EU has been a total disaster for our fisheries and farmers, with continious regulationa and bureacracy. I am an Irish nationalist and I actually value National Sovereignty as a patriot. We should never have abandoned the Punt and we should have our own strong currency today. EU membership has been a total unmitigated disaster for Ireland and I can guarantee if it went to a Vote then the Irish people are intelligent enough to throw off the liberal blinkers and would vote to the leave just like true British Patriots did last year.

We spent 800 years under rule from the British and quislings here would welcome the EU in our country. I would love to the see EU collapse and the nation states take their rightful place again; co-operation and trade are welcome aswell as common defence against outside threat but freedom of movement must end and it is only the fatcat crony capitalist class welcome EU membership to keep them with effective slave labour from Eastern Europe whilst denying Irish people rights in our own country.

Donald Trump and Brexit were the two greatest political events to happen this century and the EU is weak, crippled with Socialism and leftist thinking, to the east lies Vladimir Putin in Moscow and he is one of last great hopes for Europe today. Merkel in Germany has done more harm to Europe than any other leader since Stalin.

ArchXStanton

Elemonator wrote: »

We voted to join the EEC in 1973.

There was no revote. The second vote on the Lisbon Treaty contained amendments, including opt-outs for home affairs and justice. We can participate on a case by case basis.

And I'm sick of seeing this unelected s***. Even our own Taoiseach in unelected as he is selected by representative democracy. It's a side effect of the "everyone should have a vote on absolutely everything" mentality.

There are three governing bodies in the EU: the Council, the Commission, and the Parliament. The Parliament is directly elected by the population of the Union. The Council consists of the elected heads of state or government of the member states. The Commission consists of people appointed by the elected governments of the member states.

The usual target of the "democratic deficit" claim is the Commission, usually with the argument that the Commissioners should be directly elected - apparently only having two of the bodies consisting of elected representatives isn't enough.

There are good reasons for the Commissioners not to be elected, chief among them the fact that their job is to represent the interests of the Union as a whole, rather than the interests of the member states that appointed them. If you're someone for whom there is no metric for "good" other than "elected" - which is pretty funny, considering how much people complain about politicians - and if having two thirds of the Union's institutions consist of elected representatives, then sure: by those unrealistic lights the EU has a "democratic deficit".

Basically, the people who complain about democratic deficits are the people who either want a full-blown federal US of E, or the people who don't want an EU.

Eh yeah we voted to join the EEC not the EU which it has morphed into,do you not think it's people's democratic right to get to decide\vote on were they are ruled from,by who and who makes their laws?

Can the European parliament propose legislation or just the commission?

The democratic deficit cannot be addressed until the peoples of Europe are asked if they want to subjugate to the EU.The problem is the EU already know the answer so will never ask that question.

Harry Palmr

Okay I know a troll when I read one. The was a full house.

If there were a vote to stay, it would be carried about 70/30, I'd like to see one just for the craic

bear1

Doltanian wrote: »

Ending Freedom of movement would be very beneficial to the hundreds of thousands of Irish who are undercut in Ireland by Eastern European workers and Irish people are free to holiday where we like.

Look at the EU trying to force abortion on the Irish people, forcing us to give scumbags humans rights, the death penalty should be implemented here and used often for crimes.

The EU has been a total disaster for our fisheries and farmers, with continious regulationa and bureacracy. I am an Irish nationalist and I actually value National Sovereignty as a patriot. We should never have abandoned the Punt and we should have our own strong currency today. EU membership has been a total unmitigated disaster for Ireland and I can guarantee if it went to a Vote then the Irish people are intelligent enough to throw off the liberal blinkers and would vote to the leave just like true British Patriots did last year.

We spent 800 years under rule from the British and quislings here would welcome the EU in our country. I would love to the see EU collapse and the nation states take their rightful place again; co-operation and trade are welcome aswell as common defence against outside threat but freedom of movement must end and it is only the fatcat crony capitalist class welcome EU membership to keep them with effective slave labour from Eastern Europe whilst denying Irish people rights in our own country.

Donald Trump and Brexit were the two greatest political events to happen this century and the EU is weak, crippled with Socialism and leftist thinking, to the east lies Vladimir Putin in Moscow and he is one of last great hopes for Europe today. Merkel in Germany has done more harm to Europe than any other leader since Stalin.

Read the first 2 paragraphs and it was enough for me to realise your are insane.

Doltanian

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think it's aimed at people who look at what's happening across the sea and think it's going well. In other words complete idiots.

Is that you Bob Geldof? Its thinking like this that will drive Ireland out of the EU as the rabid left can never accept their own hypocrisy and accept that they are wrong.

ohnonotgmail

bear1 wrote: »

Does Farage get paid by the eu as well? I seem to remember calling him out on how he can constantly denounce the eu and that the UK should have nothing to do with them but yet happily accept an eu wage.
His response was something like "why should my family be worse off"

he has a £73000 pension from the EU

maryishere

force eleven wrote: »

We are idiots for staying in. The EU shafted us during 08-11 and we bent over and took it. You remainers can fawn over Juncker and Barnier but remember, their agenda is not our agenda, and we would survive after leaving. They want ultimately a federal super state completely run from Brussels with regional parliaments left to give that air of sovereignty. I'm not ranting, thus is simple fact. If you want that, fine, go for it. But the EEC went wrong when Delors and his generation took over, and it become a Franco German project not a European one.

Absolutely correct, well said.

The same people objecting to IrExit will be the same people whinging about our young people being conscripted in to a EU army.

pitifulgod

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Eh yeah we voted to join the EEC not the EU which it has morphed into,do you not think it's people's democratic right to get to decide\vote on were they are ruled from,by who and who makes their laws?

Can the European parliament propose legislation or just the commission?

The democratic deficit cannot be addressed until the peoples of Europe are asked if they want to subjugate to the EU.The problem is the EU already know the answer so will never ask that question.

There's not viewed to be any desire for Ireland to exit the EU so we're unlikely to get a referendum as most people are pretty happy with being a member. Pretty logic really, doubt many multinationals would be likely to stay.

http://www.redcresearch.ie/brexit-little-impact-positive-support-eu-ireland/

ArchXStanton

pitifulgod wrote: »

There's not viewed to be any desire for Ireland to exit the EU so we're unlikely to get a referendum as most people are pretty happy with it.

http://www.redcresearch.ie/brexit-little-impact-positive-support-eu-ireland/

Wow a poll...

Kermit.de.frog

maryishere wrote: »

Absolutely correct, well said.

The same people objecting to IrExit will be the same people whinging about our young people being conscripted in to a EU army.

They might like it. Good morale, proper equipment, better wages...

Don't see the issue.

No one is going to be conscripted though.

Topgear on Dave

maryishere wrote: »

Absolutely correct, well said.

The same people objecting to IrExit will be the same people whinging about our young people being conscripted in to a EU army.

35 years now Iv been waiting to get conscripted into that EU army.

Any day now lads......... :pac: