Teenager and child shot in Dublin halting site

Captain Obvious

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2017/1211/926554-shooting/

A teenager and a young child have been injured in a shooting at a halting site in west Dublin.

Not the first time a child has been injured in a shooting in Dublin. It's hard to imagine the kind of person that would do this though.

AnneFrank

without stating the obvious, i'd say it was a traveller

frag420

I thought it would have been a drive-by but sure they would have heard the getaway horses galloping from way back...

AnneFrank wrote: »

without stating the obvious, i'd say it was a traveller

Berserker

Three posts in and we have a traveler related gag. :rolleyes:

frag420

Whats my prize?

Berserker wrote: »

Three posts in and we have a traveler related gag. :rolleyes:

whoopsadoodles

Berserker wrote: »

Three posts in and we have a traveler related gag. :rolleyes:

It's ok sure, they're just traveller children :rolleyes:

Nekarsulm

Would this not be considered Friendly Fire?

Or perhaps a "Cultural Exchange".

seamus

RTE modified the article after you posted it.

It wasn't actually a halting site, but an estate with "bays" for "Traveller Accommodation", according to RTE.

But still a pretty good bet that it's Traveller related. In which case they would probably consider a 17 year old to be an adult and so would think nothing of involving them in the fight.

suicide_circus

Presumably stray shotgun spray

elbyrneo

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It's hard to imagine the kind of person that would do this though.

Not that hard. Location location location.

splinter65

It’ll be someone else’s fault anyway.

Boom_Bap

frag420 wrote: »

Whats my prize?

A few days ban


A child has been shot here, show some sensitivity.

nullzero

Really worrying levels of gun crime in this country nowadays. Any child being shot regardless of what community they belong to is an indictment of our society.

Birneybau

Berserker wrote: »

Three posts in and we have a traveler related gag. :rolleyes:

Who lives in a halting site?

suicide_circus

nullzero wrote: »

Really worrying levels of gun crime in this country nowadays. Any child being shot regardless of what community they belong to is an indictment of our society.

This was an act by an individual for which they are solely responsible.

Are Am Eye

It's a cul de sac with four bungalows. All members of the travelling community. Close enough to Connolly Hospital. Hopefully no fatalities.

splinter65

nullzero wrote: »

Really worrying levels of gun crime in this country nowadays. Any child being shot regardless of what community they belong to is an indictment of our society.

Right on cue. Society is to blame. Not the person who pointed the gun in the direction of 2 children and pulled the trigger.

Captain Obvious

nullzero wrote: »

Really worrying levels of gun crime in this country nowadays. Any child being shot regardless of what community they belong to is an indictment of our society.

Four victims of shootings since the Garda overtime ban a week or two ago. I wonder if it had anything to do with it. I know the ban itself only lasted five days but a lot of stuff, and people, could have been prepared and moved around in that time.

January

seamus wrote: »

RTE modified the article after you posted it.

It wasn't actually a halting site, but an estate with "bays" for caravans.

But still a pretty good bet that it's Traveller related. In which case they would probably consider a 17 year old to be an adult and so would think nothing of involving them in the fight.

Actually it's a group of houses with no bays for caravans.

whisky_galore

nullzero wrote: »

Really worrying levels of gun crime in this country nowadays. Any child being shot regardless of what community they belong to is an indictment of our society.

They have their own society, they want to disengage from ours.

splinter65

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Four victims of shootings since the Garda overtime ban a week or two ago. I wonder if it had anything to do with it. I know the ban itself only lasted five days but a lot of stuff, and people, could have been prepared and moved around in that time.

And here we have the government to blame for an overtime ban on cops....

splinter65

whisky_galore wrote: »

They have their own society, they want to disengage from ours.

They are almost 100% dependent on “our” society for funding their society’s lifestyle.

nullzero

splinter65 wrote: »

Right on cue. Society is to blame. Not the person who pointed the gun in the direction of 2 children and pulled the trigger.

Climb down a minute chief, my point is that the levels of apathy in relation to gun crime is worrying. I'm not saying that society is to blame for someone making the decision to point a gun at someone else, I'm not some wishy washy liberal sitting in an ivory tower passing judgment on the great unwashed.

The amount of snowflakes up on arms over a referendum on abortion when children have no roofs over their heads and are being shot at by scumbags is a worrying sign for a society.

Hoboo

Its one small road, 4 houses, few caravans in the back gardens.

KERSPLAT!

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Four victims of shootings since the Garda overtime ban a week or two ago. I wonder if it had anything to do with it. I know the ban itself only lasted five days but a lot of stuff, and people, could have been prepared and moved around in that time.

Pretty sure that the overtime ban isn't actually in place according to Charlie Flanagan

nullzero

whisky_galore wrote: »

They have their own society, they want to disengage from ours.

Read the recent thread about culturally appropriate homes for Travellers and you'll see how my opinion chimes with yours.

Captain Obvious

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Pretty sure that the overtime ban isn't actually in place according to Charlie Flanagan

It was in place from the 28th to the 3rd. Not in place at present.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-clarify-overtime-ban-only-remains-in-place-until-sunday-36364013.html

January

Hoboo wrote: »

Its one small road, 4 houses, few caravans in the back gardens.

There's no caravans. I live right beside it.

murpho999

If only the toddler had a gun he could have defended himself.

Oasis1974

Wasn't the issue about Blackie Connors and his dodgy greyhound?

retro:electro

The thoughts of a 9 month old being shot make me sick
Hopefully both make a full recovery.

Wheeliebin30

Whu don't travellers have to pay bin charges like the great of us?

Fann Linn

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Whu don't travellers have to pay bin charges like the great of us?

Wheeliebin promotin wheeliebin charges.
Mmmmm.

Are Am Eye

anna080 wrote: »

The thoughts of a 9 month old being shot make me sick

It hurts a lot more in this kind of cold. I think.
Like when you smack your toe off something on a cold night. Is horrendous.

Captain Obvious

Lux23 wrote: »

Could it have been the kids messing with guns they found?

According to the Journal

Sources have told TheJournal.ie that a baby suffered injuries to its leg during the shooting. A teenage male was also injured.
It is understood that a man approached the house and fired a shotgun at the young man.

It seems the teenager was the target and the baby was collateral.

Lux23

Ah jaysus, that is awful. Poor kids.

January

Lux23 wrote: »

Ah jaysus, that is awful. Poor kids.

One is in his late teens and the other was a 9 month old baby. Definitely not playing around with guns.

Phoebas

Have I got this right - a baby has been shot and some people can't help themselves from having a general pop at travellers?

Roger Hassenforder

Phoebas wrote: »

Have I got this right - a baby has been shot and some people can't help themselves from having a general pop at travellers?

A baby doesnt seem to have stopped one traveller "having a pop" at another.


Poor kid. Hope its ok.

lukesmom

I would think it is pretty irrelevant if they are from the travelling community or not.

Captain Obvious

Casualty count up to three now. One man arrested.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2017/1211/926554-shooting/

AnneFrank

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Casualty count up to three now. One man arrested.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2017/1211/926554-shooting/

Was it Padraig Nally by any chance ?

SusieBlue

Absolutely horrific. How anyone could make jokes about an innocent 9 month old baby being shot is beyond me.

Jerichoholic

lukesmom wrote: »

I would think it is pretty irrelevant if they are from the travelling community or not.

What planet are you from?

KERSPLAT!

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Absolutely horrific. How anyone could make jokes about an innocent 9 month old baby being shot is beyond me.

Gotta get those thanks!

January

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Teenager would be uncle of baby, woman shot is mother of baby, but not a Traveller.

neonsofa

January wrote: »

Teenager would be uncle of baby, woman shot is mother of baby, but not a Traveller.

Oh I thought the teenager was parent of baby.

January

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Would have been termed a bad area a few years ago but has quietened down. The site is there around 20 odd years now and there's the occasional trouble from it but nothing major really. Rumours were that they were offered money to move when they were building the new houses behind it but refused the offer.

eviltwin

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It's fairly quiet. The site itself is a horrible eyesore, rubbish everywhere and a kip compared to similar sites. The residents keep to themselves, you would see them around and so on but I have never had any negative interaction with them. I do feel sorry for the kids though, they look like something from Angela's Ashes, pale, skinny and generally looking neglected. There is a traveller family a few doors down from me who know them well and says they are plagued with alcohol issues. I know the mum of the baby, she seems like a nice enough girl. Hopefully they will all be okay and those responsible caught.

splinter65

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News reports state that the shots were at close range so not a case of firing into a house.
Feuds fester and fester in any community. Loss of “ face” and pressure to even up the score and restore “pride” result in a loss of any kind of remorse or mercy, if any ever existed.
The absolute state of that place this evening on the news with the burning wheelie bin in the background and the weed ridden flower holders.

January

eviltwin wrote: »

It's fairly quiet. The site itself is a horrible eyesore, rubbish everywhere and a kip compared to similar sites. The residents keep to themselves, you would see them around and so on but I have never had any negative interaction with them. I do feel sorry for the kids though, they look like something from Angela's Ashes, pale, skinny and generally looking neglected. There is a traveller family a few doors down from me who know them well and says they are plagued with alcohol issues. I know the mum of the baby, she seems like a nice enough girl. Hopefully they will all be okay and those responsible caught.

Nicer, more polite kids you couldn't meet in my opinion, one of them is in school with one of mine and she's very nice.